"US may be trying to spark a conflict with Iran." - More evidence of "fake" incidents for war.

[autorank]

This follows the stunning testimony of former Careter National Security Adviser and the first director of the Triletaral Commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski on 01 Feb that the administration would take advantage of or perhaps manufacture a bogus incident to justify attacking Iran.

Covered
here (Huffington),
here(WWSocialistWeb,
here(St.PeteTimes)
here(DU),
here (WashNote),
here(CounterPunch),
here("Scoop") and
here(DU),
and elsewhere this story is taking on it's own life.

From Raw Story today:

Ex-Bush Iran official: US seeks pretext for conflict with Iran
http://tinyurl.com/37mr76
David Edwards
Published: Monday February 12, 2007
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A former top Bush administration official for Persian Gulf affairs has said in an interview this morning on CNN that the US may be trying to spark a conflict with Iran.

Hillary Mann is the former National Security Council Director for Iranian and Persian Gulf Affairs. She warned in the interview that the recent flare up between Iran and the US over the former's alleged assistance to Shi'a militias results from a US desire to provoke conflict with the Iranians.

"They're trying to push a provocative, accidental conflict," Mann said.

She added that the administration hopes to goad Iran into an overreaction so that it can have justification to carry out "limited strikes" against nuclear infrastructure and Revolutionary Guards headquarters buildings in Iran.

[Ian David]

1. See also

Iranian IEDs sure look a lot like Hotchkiss Brandt mortars from Pakistan Ordninance Factories
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=191258&mesg_id=191258

Neocon Iranian Mortar Ruse Fizzles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x262632

[autorank]

2. Thanks... those are great links. Very nice work.

Didn't catch these. Much apreciated.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. Holy aluminum tubes, Batman!!

They're at it again.

[autorank]

10. Great to see you and your links are excellent as always.

They are at it again, this time with a play-by-play offered by insiders who don't want to play
anymore.

How's my favorite chess player, the one whose moves I like to study, doing?

[bananarepublican]

18. Last night's News Hour w/Jim Lehrer had a worthwhile segment covering this issue.

One of the show's guests described what is going on now is a series of US provacations being played out in the hope that eventually the Iranians will react in some way as to justify an American attack.

[Independent_Liberal]

4. K&R!

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[Kurovski]

6. Impeachment is the remedy written into the Constitution.

And yet, you wouldn't think so given the views and actions of Congress.

Something is horribly wrong here, much worse than we can even see. It's inexplicable really.

I read on a thread recently that Randy Rhodes was talking about how members of Congress and the Senate must still be fearful over the anthrax attacks (obviously DESIGNED as a threat, and I said as much back when it happened), or they have them blackmailed--not too outrageous a thought, given the spying capabilities BushCo. granted itself.

K&R. Great work, autorank.

[BeHereNow]

7. But WHO is going to stop them????

Congress?:banghead:

They completely ignore us.
They do as they please and I am terrified that
this will continue to be the case where Iran is concerned.

BHN

[autorank]

9. Somebody is having an effect...

...cable brainwashing tonight says that * can't find anyone to put his/her name to the evidence
"gathered" - nobody wants to touch it. Now that's huge. The fall back argument from the WH is
the nuclear plans that Iran seems to have. The European Union is trying to work a deal with Iran
but supposedly backing off. We need to examine what the EU is actually saying to understand what's
really going on. But there are forces above and beyond Congress who are offering serious resistance.

I think that Brzezinski's statement to Congress on 01 Feb was a signal that the establishment types
are fed up with *.

Stay tuned...

[Wiley50]

11. " what the EU is saying" Posted in LBN by Joanne98

Too late to halt Iran’s nuclear bomb, EU is told
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2728042

Too late to halt Iran’s nuclear bomb, EU is told
By Daniel Dombey and Fidelius Schmid in Brussels

Published: February 12 2007 22:18 | Last updated: February 12 2007 22:18

Iran will be able to develop enough weapons-grade material for a nuclear bomb and there is little that can be done to prevent it, an internal European Union document has concluded.

In an admission of the international community’s failure to hold back Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the document – compiled by the staff of Javier Solana, EU foreign policy chief – says the atomic programme has been delayed only by technical limitations rather than diplomatic pressure. “Attempts to engage the Iranian administration in a negotiating process have not so far succeeded,” it states.

The downbeat conclusions of the “reflection paper” – seen by the Financial Times – are certain to be seized on by advocates of military action, who fear that Iran will be able to produce enough fissile material for a bomb over the next two to three years. Tehran insists its purposes are purely peaceful.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ae2d5d24-badd-11db-bbf3-0000779...

This makes me wonder if there are neo-cons in the EU.

[autorank]

13. Better to wonder if they're in Iran (bear with me)

Think about it for a minute. The Iranian President hosts a holocost denier conference.
Do you know how provocative that is? Of course, and how stupid is it? Very on both accounts.

Then this. What do they need nukes for, realistically.

The Iran leadership is throwing a softball the way of the neocons. How stupid is that? Or is
there some method.

This is pure speculation but with so many on the international scene acting like complete idiots,
it's not hard to come up with explanations that make no sense whatsoever.

Or here's another flight of fancy appropriate to the idiocy we have to endure. Let's say that for
the WH/neocon's own purposes, they want a goof ball running Iran. Maybe you just stand back and
let this guy take over, provoke him at every point (he's obviously a lunatic based on the denier
conference) and scare him into continuing the nuke business. The promising negotiations that the
EU is doing are undone because Ahmadinejad thinks nukes will really protect him.

The EU can be criticized for leaving out the back story and the more obvious US interference. The
WH, in this second scenario doesn't need a plant running Iran. This guy is even better. Just
provoke him, he'll make the wrong decision.

Now this, the Iranians now want to compromise. This sounds like they're saying, "Look, we'll get
nukes but we're not helping Iraqis against you. Every thing is cool right." Too damn crazy to
figure out.


http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/02/13/ap3420800.html

Iran's hard-line president, who has berated the United States and refused to compromise on his nuclear program, is now softening his tone, saying Monday he wants dialogue rather than confrontation in Iraq. Tehran also denied it gave sophisticated weapons to militants to attack U.S. forces.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insisted that turmoil in Iraq is bad for his country and dialogue - not force - was the solution to the region's conflicts.

"We shy away from any kind of conflict, any kind of bloodshed," Ahmadinejad told ABC's "Good Morning America." "As we have said repeatedly, we think that the world problems can be solved through dialogue, through the use of logic and a sense of friendship. There is no need for the use of force."

[Wiley50]

14. Dunno Mike. Maybe They Already Have A Half Dozen Or So Suitcase Nukes

Russian Surplus
acquired with the help of Dr Khan

And There's one in Tel Aviv
One In Jerusalem
One in a townhouse just off Pennsylvania Ave
halfway between the White House and The Capital

and a couple of more who knows where

Maybe that's why he's trying to provoke Bush

He's just waiting for a good reason to set them off

Muslims believe in Armageddon too

[autorank]

15. See, it just makes you go non linear trying to work within their logic

But I can trump that, the guy from "A Beautiful Mind" had it all right, he was just 40 years early;)

[Wiley50]

16. I Didn't See That Movie

Care to elaborate

And why is linear so GD necessary anyway

I mean it's clear that this is about never ending profits for the MIC

We need an end run somehow

[autorank]

21. Explanation

The Central character in "A Beautiful Mind" became psychotic and delusional and felt he had to
solve a plot by the Russians to import suit case nukes to the US across the Canadian border.
That was not a problem then but he saw all sorts of signals in the media and had it figured out
in his mind. He was just 40 years too early. The delusions and psychosis of that time are the
reality of ours...that's a very sad commentary.

The non linear comment is simply the point that the WH makes no sense whatsoever. It's really
difficult to see a single motivation to their holy war against the Middle East and central Asia.
Do they really think that they can take over and capture all that energy with tactics that cause
the people who live there to hate us totally? Don't they know you can't win a war of occupation?
What's their point? Makes no sense, that's what I meant. Just a phrase.

Cheers

[Wiley50]

25. Unfortunately Mike, I really believe that they believe

that they can occupy the ME oilfields against the will
of the native inhabitants
AND
in doing so create perpetual business for the Military Industrial complex
AND
perpetual employment as soldiers for our young

And Yes
I believe they are homicidally psychopathic

[bobthedrummer]

20. Truth kick

[autorank]

22. Hey bob

:yourock:

[BeHereNow]

24. Is it that they are fed up, or simply wanting to go on "record" as having no part of it?

Remember, Eagleburger and Bush Sr. both made a point of
going into the history books as being against the Iraq plan-
it happened anyway.

Time will tell, eh?
I hope you are correct.
BHN

[Dracos]

8. I 've been watching for something

like this.I wouldn't put anything pass these repukes :puke:

[Kurovski]

12. Kick.(nt)

[Vidar]

17. Thanks, autorank.

[autorank]

23. OLA Vidar...

...isn't this the nuttiest stuff you've ever heard. Nobody will sign off on the Iran's the bad guy evidence, not one person. Amazing. Now the Iranians open the door again with their nuke program. The history of the US-Iranian diplomatic interactions will be titled "Dumb & Dumber".

Best to you!!!

[Vidar]

26. It sure is. Always a pleasure.

[Doondoo]

19. K&R

[tom_paine]

27. "May be???" Try: IS

Are the Busheviks going to get away with it? They have so far.

[malaise]

28. They will not get away with it

this time.