More information from Iran's "Defense Industries Organiztion" fuze type on box is the same as listed

[originalpckelly]

on Iran's own website, under fuzes:
"AZ111-A2"

That's the fuze number from the briefing powerpoint given to reporters, here is Iran's DIO website, the section where you can find the fuzes:
http://diomil.ir/en/amig.aspx
(Click on the plus sign next to "Fuzes", then click on "Artillery and Mortar Bombs", it's on the left hand menu.)

"There are various types of Artillery Fuzes for the Ammunitions used in Tank and Anti-Tank as well as Field Artilleries. The PIBD M509A2 for 106mm HEAT, PDM 557 and its improved version PDM572 for most Artilleries and Point Detonating V- 429E for 125mm HE are well qualified Fuzes offered by DIO in this regard. DIO has provided two types of Fuzes required for its Mortar Bombs; AZ111A2 a super quick impact fuze produced to be used for HE Mortar Bombs of 60mm, 81mm and 120mm caliber and M84A1E1, a Pyrotechnic Time Fuze for Illuminating Mortar Bombs"

Here is a picture of the fuze name on the shipping container for the mortar (its from that briefing PPT once again)

[ShortnFiery]

1. I'm a little slow - what does this comparison truly mean? n/t

[originalpckelly]

2. OK, the briefing claims that the fuze type is Iranian...

I doubted this so I went looking earlier today to find out and see if it really was. I actually ended up finding out that the company that makes Iran's weapons (DIO) has a website. On that website they have mortars and they have mortar fuzes. The type of mortar fuze is listed on the Iranian website, so it is an Iranian fuze type after all.

[ShortnFiery]

6. I think that even those newbies in Pentagon PsyOps would know

to match the facts with their intended ruse. We still know nothing about their history, if valid, or WHO supplied these munitions. :shrug:

[originalpckelly]

10. Yes, you are right, and I completely agree with that...

because even if we assume they aren't knockoffs, and that they were made in Iran, there's no evidence AT ALL that the Iranian government actually approved of this.

And since I've now learned that Iran exports these weapons to 50 countries, it is VERY possible that they were purchased on the black market.

[jkshaw]

17. Note the wording in the Power Point text

"Assessed to be of Iranian production"
"... indicates they are of Iranian production"

[TroglodyteScholar]

3. Hm...the text...

...the text on the "found in Iraq" is in a serif type while the "known Iranian" is sans-serif.

Seriously, though, those markings don't look anything alike to me. And it all reminds me way too much of the "evidence" presented to the UN by Colin Powell in 2003. The comparison is shady at best.

[originalpckelly]

5. That's not what I'm saying however, I'm looking at the type of fuze...

and it looks like the type of fuze is Iranian.

[TroglodyteScholar]

8. Yea I see what you're saying, but...

...the "known Iranian munitions" don't even specify any kind of part # or anything at all. Maybe I reall am missing the point, but 81mm fuzes could come from any number of sources.

[originalpckelly]

12. I'm not talking about the ones known to be Iranian I'm talking about the ones in question...

their fuze type is on the box and I went to the "Defense Industries Organization" website's fuze section and found out that the Iranians make that type of fuze.

[TroglodyteScholar]

13. Gotcha...I guess my view is that...

...something like this could be very easily fabricated. Hell, you found the part# just by visiting a website.

On edit: I'd say the fact that the "in question" items have more info stenciled on them is a bit suspicious.

[originalpckelly]

15. I do too...

these things could be replicas. And as you said they have a different font on them. But of course, if our government made them as replicas, I wonder why they wouldn't make them look exactly like the known Iranian munitions?

[alfredo]

4. Can they trace them back to Iran, or did they come from

an independent arms broker? We also need to determine if this was authorized by the Iranian government, or "privateers" lining their own pockets. If it can be traced back to the government then we can use it as leverage against them.

Still, the Shiia are not the ones killing doing the bulk of attacks on US soldiers. So, where are the Sunni getting their weapons? Is it Saudi Arabia? Is it Russia?

I don't see bush saying anything if Saudi Arabia is found to be a supplier to the Sunni.

[originalpckelly]

7. I think you've pointed something out here. Even though they look like they were made in Iran...

there's no reason AT ALL to think they were given to insurgents by Iran's government.

It was probably bought on the black market.

I just wanted people to know all the information that I have found, however, because I'm trying to give us information that we can independently evaluate, so that we don't have to trust anyone.

[TroglodyteScholar]

9. ..."so that we don't have to trust anyone"...

...That's good, because I'm pretty sure I don't trust anyone. :crazy:

[originalpckelly]

11. Indeed.

I don't trust any of the people in the media or in our government anymore, they lied to us to get us into Iraq, so everything they say has to be independently verified from now on. They have lost all credibility.

[Buck Rabbit]

14. Bravo to the US Military for finally doing a frame up right.

It would be horrible if they couldn't manage to get their hands on real Iranian mortar shells that are exported all over the world. I wonder if they ordered them off that website using VISA to build up free air miles? Maybe they got enough to fly back home.

[alfredo]

16. I think America has learned a lesson about trusting bush.

It has been proven dangerous to accept bush's word on anything.

[BrewerJohn]

18. I wonder if that fuze number is an actual manufacturer part number

or just a more generic type designator.

Before starting, let me admit that I know jack about military ordnance. But, I looked around and
found this pdf on the Naval EOD Technology Division site that pictures various types of firing
devices. On page 68 there is a German fuze with a very similar number, and in fact the exact number is
given in parentheses after it. It is indeed used with 81 mm mortar rounds, according to the caption.

Here: https://naveodtechdiv.jeodnet.mil/IraqOIG/PDF-low/04-FuzeFiringDevice.pdf