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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:04 PM
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The Constitution in Peril (Newsweek)
The Constitution in Peril
The War on Terror didn't start as an attack on Americans' rights, but several new books argue that's exactly what happened.

By Christopher Dickey
Newsweek

...............

The Bush and Cheney who emerge from these pages cherish secrecy, they deplore constraint and they sneer at dissent, so nothing and nobody can dissuade them from their chosen course. Reality checks are not allowed. "Democracies die behind closed doors," federal appeals court Judge Damon Keith said in 2002. "The Framers of the First Amendment did not trust any government to separate the true from the false for us. They protected the people against secret government."

Jack Goldsmith, who served briefly in 2003 and 2004 as head of the Office of Legal Counsel—a key position because it determines for the government what is legal and what's not—suggests that the "strange and unattractive views on presidential power" held by Bush and Cheney will create a backlash compromising future presidents. That may be, but for now, in many respects, the Bush-Cheney vision has triumphed. Savage concludes that Cheney and Bush will leave presidential powers enhanced at the expense of Congress and the courts, to the detriment of the checks and balances essential to our constitutional system. (Savage suggests there's already some nervousness among Republicans fearful that Hillary Clinton will reap the benefits. No president will want to see his or her imperial authority eroded.) "The expansive presidential powers claimed and exercised by the Bush-Cheney White House are now an immutable part of American history—not controversies, but facts," says Savage. The worldwide war with terrorists that is so important to the arguments for that presidential power, including the occupation of Iraq, will go on as well. Last week all the leading Democratic presidential candidates admitted as much. What might have seemed farfetched political and military fantasies seven years ago are inescapable realities today.


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From the beginning Bush's staff, guided by Cheney's, "hoped to enlarge the zone of secrecy around the executive branch, to reduce the power of Congress to restrict presidential action, to undermine limits imposed by international treaties, to nominate judges who favored a stronger president and to impose greater White House control over the permanent workings of the government," writes Savage. Then 9/11 happened and suddenly "the war on terrorism's climate of perpetual emergency provided a vehicle for turning (Cheney's) vision of an unfettered commander in chief into a reality."

Goldsmith, a conservative academic and generally a supporter of a strong executive, argues in his book "The Terror Presidency: Law and Judgment Inside the Bush Administration" that much of what was done in the early days after 9/11 is perfectly understandable. Threats seemed to be everywhere. A second wave of attacks appeared imminent and all but inevitable. "The President had to do what he had to do to protect the country," writes Goldsmith. "And the lawyers had to find some way to make what he did legal." But unlike previous war presidents—Lincoln, FDR—who bent the Constitution in order to save it, and took responsibility for doing so, the Bush administration stonewalled, as if public ignorance were the best way, in many cases, to give the president the powers he needed.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21047601/site/newsweek/
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:08 PM
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1. They didn't want to say it started as an attack on Americans' rights
But I think that is exactly what the bu$h regime had in mind when 9/11 happened.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:49 PM
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14. oh yes, they did, and they have been planning this for years.
criminals and treasonous ones at that, they should be sent to the Hague. I wish some international agency would step up and say we are dropping our policies and we are going after the * regime. I only wish......sigh......
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:23 PM
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20. cheney, etal have been planning this for decades
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:08 PM
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23. ...I'd wager they had it in mind well before 9/11
9/11 worked out just peachy for them and their corporate cronies. They got the "new Pearl Harbor" they'd been salivating for.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:12 PM
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42. "Just another coincidence among many," say the Coincidence Theorists n/t
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:13 PM
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2. Will we ever get our country back?
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:36 PM
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35. Only if we TAKE it back.
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 06:46 PM by petgoat
Nonviolently of course.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:46 PM
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37. The death of the Republic has been greatly exaggerated
The patient may be anemic and bloated, but close to death? I don't think so.

Thank God (or whatever's our there) our founders created a system where even a deranged, power-hungry two-term president can't screw it up irredeemable.

Newsprism
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:07 PM
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43. Media silent, Congress cowed, Elections fraudulent. The system of checks and
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 10:07 PM by petgoat
balances is broken.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:16 PM
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48. Yeah. Right. It's just pinin' for the fjords.
:eyes:
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 06:26 AM
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51. Now thats funny!
The comment, the subject ....not so much.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:15 PM
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3. And I thought this would be an issue from Jan 2001.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:23 PM
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4. We should thank Newsweek for the story
Wish media would take responcibility for their part, but we must thank them for finally addressing the truth
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:25 PM
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5. Very happy to "5" this. . . And yes,
Newsweek deserves some love for putting this out there.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:44 PM
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6. Don't Worry! The Battlin' Congressional Democrats Will Stop This Cold!
This will not stand!

(Unless something good is on cable, or Sir Rupert's throwing a fundraising soiree in their honor.)
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:29 PM
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26. Will someone please give the dems a back bone ...now!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:50 PM
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7. Not to worry. The Gop will soon rein-in excess Presidential power.
As soon as a democrat becomes president, the issue of restraining runaway presidential power will be the major story focused on by all the newspapers and networks. They will uniformly demand that Congress rein-in the imperial presidency and the Congress will quickly oblige.

This will happen whether or not there's a Dem majority in Congress and regardless of how large that majority is.

The rule is: Republicans always get their way, no matter what.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:30 PM
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27. LOL ...you betcha booty
Please insert pin and wake up now.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:47 PM
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32. It is too late...once established it becomes precedent to be reestablished.
Only impeachment now, can resolve future abuse of executive power.

When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. I believe it has arrived and is being unwrapped now.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:54 PM
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8. K&R
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:49 AM
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9. k + r
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:56 AM
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10. K&R&I
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:40 AM
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11. "Bent the constitution to save it"?
Please. Rule of law stands, or it doesn't. The only difference is that those "bent" moments in the constitution were rolled back...I don't see that happening now.

"In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other."

Ben Franklin
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zestfolly Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:29 PM
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12. It's our Constitution, Mr. President
It's our Constitution, Mr. President

As commander in chief, Bush believes he cannot be challenged on military matters. "Clearly, this administration thinks it does not need the permission of Congress to attack Iran," said Savage.

The struggle to reclaim the Constitution and elect senators and representatives with the courage to uphold their duties and obligations falls on our shoulders. Those who would strip this nation of its rights are bold and clear-eyed. The rest of us have to be up to the fight.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003894540_lance21.html
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:42 PM
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13. k&r
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 12:44 PM by me b zola
edited to say rate the story up at the link!
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:57 PM
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15. K&R
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:08 PM
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16. Kicked and recommended
Thanks for the thread kpete.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:10 PM
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17. that is a must-read article
Not just because of what it says (it's what we here have all known for years) but because it's in Newsweek, an MSM source that most people, other than those who watch FOX, would say is a non-tinfoil-hat publication. An article from a magazine like this could be very persuasive to anybody who's still in doubt about how serious the situation is.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:08 PM
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18. I guess Pelosi hasn't been persuaded
or even read the article.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:32 PM
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30. She's too busy baking and serving milk and cookies.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:12 PM
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19. Self delete
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 03:14 PM by Golden Raisin
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:31 PM
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21. wonder why
none of the pres hopefulls have stated they will restore checks and balences and give up the monumental power that bush and co have grabbed.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:51 PM
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33. They have no plan to
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:32 PM
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22. The newsweek message?
The Dems are just as bad.

Hillary will be dictator.

GOP, rally to the flag, your next guy can promise to do better.

Despair.

Undersell the malignant intent of the Bush/Cheney dictatorship. By degrees, FDR and Lincoln were the "same" with that "one" difference.

To Dems, any critique of the regime sounds like democratic music. This music is still off key.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:20 PM
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24. "Threats seemed to be everywhere" after 9/11---fanned by Bush/Cheney.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:27 PM
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25. I guess Christopher Dickey just woke up and Newsweek crawled out of its cave
Next stop is Iran. Too little and too late. Ain't nothing anyone (dem or repuke) is going to do about it. It's over!

:nuke:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:31 PM
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28. kpete, you post the best damn stuff.
K&R
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:31 PM
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29. Yes. Thanks for all your help, Newsweek.
As you continue enabling the thugs who rule us, pardon me for being underwhelmed by your show of concern.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:32 PM
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31. True, 9/11 was an excuse to curtail our civil liberties...
but what exactly did media outlet Newsweek do to try and prevent this? ............ :eyes:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:13 PM
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34. K*R Newsweek is owned by the Wash Post Co. -- What took them so long?
Oh, probably because they collaborated with Bush to create the crisis they now decry, because they participated in the big lies about Iraq right along with the NYT - never seriously challenging the White House/Congressional lies prior to the war.

I bet they hoped * and friends would go away and we'd forget all this. Now they're probably concerned about the devaluation of their corporate assets as a result of the complete incompetence they've generated through their total neglect up to this point.

But better late than never. This is good for law abiding people but it shows how bad things have to be for the Post Company to do this.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:39 PM
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36. The Republic is dying of cancer.

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:23 PM
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38. "..as if public ignorance were the best way.."
And, pray tell, whose responsibility is it to see that the public is not ignorant? I don't suppose there's any hope that the media will admit its complicity in the destruction of the Constitution.


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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:47 PM
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39. I'm sure this would be news to 30% of America,
if they bothered to read, that is.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:52 PM
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40. Impeach the bastards already! Shit! n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:58 PM
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41. At least 30% of Americans don't care &/or don't know about this.
As long as it doesn't hamper their lives it doesn't matter at all.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:58 PM
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44. at least!
and it feels like 60 % or more! it's maddening. :grr:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:02 PM
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45. one of the best things about a democratic presidential win in 2008-
at least we'll be able to return to the days of a watchdog media.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:04 PM
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46. I wonder if Mr. Dickey made the connection between Cheney's "hope to enlarge the zone of secrecy
around the executive branch, to reduce the power of Congress to restrict presidential action, to undermine limits imposed by international treaties, to nominate judges who favored a stronger president and to impose greater White House control over the permanent workings of the government," writes Savage. AND.........

Then 9/11 happened and suddenly "the war on terrorism's climate of perpetual emergency provided a vehicle for turning (Cheney's) vision of an unfettered commander in chief into a reality."

Did the uncanny GOOD FORTUNE of Cheney's wishes being able to come true BECAUSE OF 911 even occur to him....or is he just afraid to say it out loud in his article because he fears being called a Conspiracy Theorist??
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:09 PM
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47. smirk and sneer need to be Impeached but
nancy and harry are too busy holding them accountable. Have I got that down pretty close?
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:42 AM
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50. Smirk sits in his office, thinking he's a saint...
because he saved affluent western economies from collapse by making an example of Saddam's Iraq for refusing to take US $$ for oil and shifting to Euros instead.

Sneer has sold his soul to the lowest bidder, the reptilian part of our brain.

Have a comet hit these dinosaurs already! Please!!!
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:28 PM
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49. Gaia the spirit of the earth...
:)
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