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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:35 AM Original message |
Six Inconvenient Logical Fallacies |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. and lets not forget how beneficial culling excess native americans must have been... |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Oh, don't worry. Medved also thinks that Native Americans are also whiners |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. And to think that I serioulsy thought |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. Slavery is our greatest national shame. But now there's Iraq... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. our treatment of the native americans was and is still our greatest national shame... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Fair enough. |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. just curious but do you have any native American ancestory? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
66. I do, as well. |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Read "Rise and Fall of the Cherokee Nation" |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. You should check out the Choctaws in Philadelphia, MS |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. Well, they've made war a recreation |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
5. With this kind of revisionist sort of bullshit, when will we hear how the Holocaust wasn't THAT bad |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. Wow, are they going to start feeding and housing the slaves again? Health care maybe? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. Those who revere Property above People seem to think ... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. Wow. History must cuase him physical pain... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. He's a whore. He gets paid to say stuff like that. nt |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
10. Six facts you fundamentalist, white supremacist bastard! |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Somebody should kidnap Michael Medved... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
52. Twelve hours a day would be less than most slaves worked. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 06:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Didn't I SAY I was generous and enlightened? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. LOL! Yes, but the thread served at least one useful function. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. One at a time, amiga... |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. Yeah |
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Blue Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
74. Is there any way to recommend a response to a post?? |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. He's had idiotic RW ideas for years, they didn't come "of late". n/t |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
12. it would be nice to see real arguements |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I weep for whatever educational system |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I'm not apologizing for slavery |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. 1 out of 6 captives died in the middle crossing. |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. some of my ancestors were sharecroppers |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Did granddad get his balls cut off... |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. I'm not denying that racism is a legacy of slavery |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Guilty, Nonetheless |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I'm not that familiar with Michael Medved |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Riiiight. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. so as long as we dont turn the situation of african americans in this country as bad as the economic |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
79. Definition of a sick fucker? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. The average Southerner saw no benefit to slavery. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Some of my ancestors were slaveowners. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. tell me something why are people trying to excuse slavery? is it to justify their correct racist |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Alright, here. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. i suspect you are also doing your best to ignore real arguments. deep13 made some 'real arguments' |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. Um, no. You clearly don't know much about the history of slavery in the United States. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Like post #8 & post #10? |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
97. Kind of right wing Libertarian-type thinking, there |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. I've heard a retired history teacher say the same things |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I wouldn't say people are lucky to be slaves |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. LOLOL! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
69. OMG! Barbara Bush has invaded DU! Run for your lives!! |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. TRANSLATION: Hey darkies! Quit yer bitching! |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. So African Americans are lucky their ancestors were kidnapped, chained up, |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Of course, he keeps JUST ENOUGH distance between his statements and yours... |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. what is your point? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Ah....but are they "lucky" to be ancestors |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. wow |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Those achievements you speak of |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. what good has this country done for whites? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. "common ground" |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
90. or someone who doesnt care about the poor in general. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. "Fair and balanced," huh? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. You could choose to re-write history |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. history is important to study |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. I figured out that you're against affirmative action and reparations |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. what's my "revised version of history"? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. The United States didn't invent colonialism but we sure embraced it. |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. the people who supported the atlantic slave trade |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. yet millions benefit from their legacy |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Deleted message |
FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Boo fucking hoo |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #76 |
91. Thank you! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
55. Are the Iraqis who haven't managed to be blown out of their homes, |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
95. "The US didn't invent Colonialism, after all." |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
98. Are you fucking kidding me? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. This is always how they work, one little grain of truth surrounded and packed with |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
19. Olbermann needs to make this guy the worlds worst person! |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. I think he's got a mortal lock on it... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 06:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
80. Update |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. You've got to be effing kidding me |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. His facts are generally correct, |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. america's new motto: if we are 2 degrees above shit we are doing great! |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
96. Ain't moral relativism grand? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
32. what is the point of this if it is not an excuse to justify current racism? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Of course it is only for that reason. Like some in this thread. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. That's exactly the purpose. So I think we need to ask why the RRR |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:02 AM Response to Reply #32 |
84. Trying to sanitize the past |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
85. Look upthread a bit |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. yes i know, this is what i mean. we are using this 'revisitionist history' |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Yes and it's got that same Orwellian spin to it |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. its creepy that we as a society find ways to justify racism/slavery. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Beyond creepy |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
39. Those are appalling lies, and anyone who believes them |
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6000eliot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
57. Jesus Christ is this guy nuts! |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
61. Some of those make sense, some don't. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
71. k&r |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
78. Pretty insensitive stuff by Medved! |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
82. Yo meeg |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
83. I agreed with him until he got to #2 |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
89. and once again, it's a white guy that writes this shit. I'm surprised he posed without his hood. nt |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
94. Slightly OT, but an interesting corrollary IMO.... |
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