The Hillary "Machine."

[Cyrano]

Last weekend, Hillary was featured on about four of five of the Sunday morning "news" shows.

This weekend, Bill Clinton was on at least two of the "news" shows that I caught. And although I disagree with many of the policies he pushed while prez, he'd probably still be able to sell me a bag of regular beach sand. Nonetheless, Bill and Hillary are still hated by hard-core Republicans.

And that's the problem. The corporate/Republican owned MSM wants to run against Hillary so badly that they'd eat crap in Macy's window at Christmas to make it happen. The Republicans are absolutely certain that she will bring out their "base" who will vote against her -- and also against Dems running in local races.

Unfortunately, I think they're right. Which means that the right wing, for the time being, can be considered "The Hillary Machine."

If she's nominated, I'll vote for her. But my biggest fear is that she will be a total disaster who will lose the election, drag down the party, and give ongoing power to the most vicious, despicable people who have ever run this country.

I wish it weren't so, but I truly believe that Hillary just can't win. And for all the Hillary fans out there, I don't hate her, or even dislike her. It's just that I believe we cannot afford to lose the next election. And it's my honest belief that Hillary just can't win.

[sniffa]

1. agreed, but

i'm sure about 20 ignores are going to foLLow that disagree with you. some may even mock you, and/or caLL you desperate.

good Luck. :patriot:

and a k&r for you.

[JuniperLea]

8. LOL!! You willed that to happen!

Ignored follows your post;)

[MethuenProgressive]

2. "If she's nominated, I'll vote for her." Me too.

I'll vote for our nomminee, no matter who, or how tall, he or she is!
:grouphug:

[Lucinda]

3. And it's my honest belief that Hillary can win

Though I still support Edwards right now.

I just dont see Hillary, or any of our candidates, having that much trouble in the general.

[Cyrano]

4. Her negative ratings are 49%. That's a hard statistic to ignore.

There really is what she referred to as "a vast right-wing conspiracy" and they will spend as much, and do whatever it takes to crush her -- and us.

If the next president isn't a Dem, I fear for whatever is left of our Democracy. And I'm not willing to risk my primary vote on Hillary being able to overcome tremendous negatives.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. It's an easy statistic to ignore because it is FALSE (facts > > >)

That famous 49% was one out-lying Gallup poll number that Karl Rove cited to make trouble. (And is an old number, at this point.) She's actually fairly popular nationally.

If you don't like her, that's cool. She's gross. There's little reason to LIKE her.

But the idea she is unelectable is manufactured RW propoganda, subsequently recycled by competing Dem candidates. (Fair enough. They are trying to win too.)
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Here are the four other recent national RV polls that Kerl Rove hasn't mentioned. Notice that her negatives in these four are are 39, 39, 39 and 36. That's a pretty tight cluster, so it seems likely those four are more reliable than the one 48 in that mix. I don't know why Gallup generates higher negatives, but their numbers are WAY different than other national polling.

http://pollingreport.com/C2.htm


CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Sept. 7-9, 2007. N=1,017 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"We'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. New York Senator Hillary Clinton." "New York Senator" omitted prior to June 2007.

Favorable-53
Unfavorable-39
Never Heard of-1
Unsure-7
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Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas. Aug. 1-18, 2007. N=3,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 2. December 2006 and earlier surveys conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International.
"Now I'd like your views on some people. Would you say your overall opinion of Hillary Clinton is very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable?"

VeryFavorable-21
MostlyFavorable-34
MostlyUnfavorable-18
VeryUnfavorable-21
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CBS News Poll. Aug. 8-12, 2007. N=1,072 registered voters nationwide.
RV = registered voters
"Is your opinion of Hillary Clinton favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven't you heard enough about Hillary Clinton yet to have an opinion?"

Favorable-41
NotFavorable-39
Undecided-19
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Newsweek N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4. 7/2-3/07
"Next, please tell me if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the following people in politics. If I mention someone you had never heard of before this interview, just tell me. What about Hillary Clinton?"

Favorable-57
Unfavorable-36

[JuniperLea]

9. 39 is still really bad...

I just don't want to vote for someone who is being foisted upon us, and from every direction, I'm hearing statements that make me feel the foist.

[NobleCynic]

16. But which candidate do see as having the most beneficial coattails effect

That was the other point of the op. Even if Hillary wins, she may indirectly cost the Dems a lot of local seats.

[depakid]

5. The corporate media wins either way!

It's the ultimate hedge!

If Hillary loses and drags other candidates down with her- great!

If she eaks out a win, the media knows from the record that they can continue to abuse their public trust with impunity- and the financial industry will remain largely unregulated, free to maintain their corrupt practices.

It's no coincidence that media and financial conglomerates make up most of her top donors.

[Orsino]

7. Of course she'll win.

She's the celebrity, attracting the most money and the adoration of all the starry-eyed who confuse her with her husband's tenure of relative prosperity and beneficence. The GOP has no one who approaches her considerable wit and charisma, and let me go out on a limb here: Republican vote-stealing methodology is not yet advanced enough to cancel out her considerable appeal. Still, they'll use her as a bugbear to help take the next election.

[Hersheygirl]

10. Evidently you have not heard of the

Bildeberger Group. What they want they get and guess who's a member, you got it, Bill Clinton. He was invited to join the group in 1991. The next year he won the 1992 presidential election.

[Pastiche423]

17. And johnnyboy attended a meeting in 2004

[Cyrano]

18. Sorry to sound dumb, but who is "johnnyboy??

[Pastiche423]

19. john edwards

[Maven]

11. I think the GOP might have thought she'd be easy to beat *at first*

But that's far from the case now. Whatever your opinion of her may be, she's turned a liability (the bogeyman image created by the right) to her advantage. Frankly, the right did more for Hillary than they realize by increasing her notoriety. I think the idea of a Hillary candidacy as DOA is past its expiration date.

[Maven]

12. dupe nt

[hedgehog]

13. "I'm a yellow dog democrat, but I'm tired of voting for yellow dogs!" nt

[Froward69]

14. test

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[AntiFascist]

15. Note to hard-core Republicans who may be lurking....

you would do well to begin extensive, probing investigations of Iran-Contra/BCCI (like this would ever really happen). This could level the political playing field and possibly be a step toward restoring America's faith in the political system. I can dream can't I?