Did Hillary's Senate run cost Gore the White House?

[Zandor]

As Bill Clinton's second term as president came to a close, his attentions were divided between the political ambitions of his vice president and his wife.

A new book exposes how the former president appeared to favor Hillary Clinton's run for Senate in New York over Al Gore's campaign to become the Oval Office's next occupant. The dueling 2000 campaigns exemplified a rivalry between Hillary and Gore that dated back to Bill Clinton's first term in office, writes Sally Bedell Smith, author of the new book For Love of Politics -- Bill and Hillary Clinton: The White House Years.

"Hillary always had an undercurrent of competition with Al Gore that burst into the open from time to time," Smith writes in a book excerpt published in the newest issue of Vanity Fair...

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Did_Hillarys_Senate_run_cost_Gore_1001.html

[rfranklin]

1. Gore sabotaged himself by shunning Bill and choosing...

Lieberman the Asshole for his running mate.

[movonne]

12. What really lost him the president's job is:'THEY DIDN'T COUNT

THE VOTES" ...period...

[liberalnurse]

35. That's the way I see it too.

Gore has learned the sad lesson of what happens when you suffer from "locked in the bubble syndrome". Obviously,he broke out of the bubble and is a better man for the experience.

[mod mom]

40. Gore WON and did so by being a populist instead of a DLCer!

[Captain Hilts]

2. No. Gore not winning his home state a la George McGovern lost it. nt

[SteppingRazor]

3. Any one of about a dozen things cost Gore the election.

Sure, Hillary's run may have been one, but...

The recount in Florida.
Ralph Nader.
The butterfly ballot.
electronic voting machines.

And on, and on, and on...

Given how close the election was, had any of these things been avoided, Gore would have won.

[Mrs. Overall]

4. And yet another thread begins.....

[Bluebear]

10. Did you miss "Cindy Sheehan was a cancer on the Democratic party"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1948060

It didn't last as long as the oP would have liked, I'm sure.

[gatorboy]

19. This one almost seems like a REAL thread.

Much less tro- *tasered*

[Mrs. Overall]

22. Yes, these "real" threads are interspersed between the more typical threads

to gain credibility, imho. Things go along nice and normal then out of nowhere: peta, prayer, and pelosi!

[sniffa]

72. i don't even know why i keep reading them

but it's Like a horribLe car crash, and i can't tear myseLf away.

[Grateful for Hope]

5. Gore lost? n/t

[Zensea]

6. No, the Supreme Court is responsible

That doesn't require any speculation to see and is worth a lot more to know.

I do not support the nomination of Clinton for Democratic run for president (I prefer Edwards and Obama), however, I don't see much point in this kind of idle speculation about Hillary Clinton that most likely has a not so hidden agenda.

[Lerkfish]

8. its amazing, eh? the not-so hidden part.

[BlooInBloo]

13. I take it there's nothing anyone can do about it?

[Lerkfish]

14. well, I certainly can't.

I would have thought those who could, would have by now.

[BlooInBloo]

20. I would've thought so as well.

[Lerkfish]

24. well, in their defense, its harder to tell these days

because they appear so much like a growing part of the DU population.

not sure what I mean by that, of course

[Liberal In Texas]

64. I don't know what I mean either, but it seems like there are some people who like argument for it's

own sake.

Maybe we should have a DU Argument forum...

"The sun is not coming up tomorrow" Discuss.

"Yes it is."

"Not it isn't."

"A lot of people think it is."

"Most progressives in the government think it isn't..."

...you get the idea.

[gateley]

7. At this point does it matter? Shouldn't we be moving ahead and ensuring things

like this don't happen again?

[dkofos]

9. No. The SCOTUS , voting machine companies, and purging the voter rolls

cost Gore the election!!

[question everything]

11. I think that Gore chose to put a distance between him

and Clinton because of Monica. Thus, he could not take credit for the economic gains, the elimination of the federal deficit, etc.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Everybody knows, everybody knows

That's how it goes
Everybody knows

[mnhtnbb]

16. Bill's lies cost Gore the White House.

[Missy M]

18. Not true.....

Gore lost the White House by not fighting back against the mainstream media and the Florida debacle.

[Jax]

36. Spot on. Thank you mnhtnbb.

It still disgusts me that he was too much of a weakling to keep his pants zipped up while he was sitting in the Oval Office. Pathetic.

Alyce

[mitchtv]

17. Yup, Hillary's fault, everything else too,

that wasn't caused by the Clenis

[jody]

21. No! n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

23. Yeah, that's it.

:eyes:

[Clintonista2]

45. it's just not a true Hillary-bashing thread without Ronnykmarshall's sarcastic eyeroll

:rofl:

[Nye Bevan]

25. YES! The *huge* anti-Hillary backlash threw New York to George W Bush

and cost Gore NY's 31 electoral votes. And Hillary's gaffe-prone campaign was an embarrassment to the Democrats. Or is my memory a little hazy here?

[Richard Steele]

26. No, the Supreme Court did. We all remember that. nm

[donheld]

27. I'm getting really really really tired of all the Clinton bashing

Fraud cost Gore the election nothing else! :spank::spank::spank:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

28. I am no fan of Hillary but jesus.

[SaveElmer]

29. Look up the meaning of the slang term "pulling it out of your ass"

And you will find a link to this thread!!!

[Forkboy]

33. LMAO

You should see his other ones!

[MasonJar]

30. Al Gore won the election despite the illegal shenanigans of Jeb and

Katherine and the Felonious Five.

[AtomicKitten]

31. I believe he could take her without breaking a sweat if he ran.

[Name removed]

32. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jed Dilligan]

34. Hillary-bashing, Iran-war-mongering, red-baiting, Bible-thumping

Have we seen your whole repertoire yet?

[Pastiche423]

39. Aw man, did you have to ask that

and give IT an opportunity to post more crap?

[blondeatlast]

46. Don't forget the "other 'leading' Democrats agree with me" BS.

It never fails to make an appearance in his threads (unless the thread gets locked).

[uppityperson]

47. "democrats of substance" also though never says what the substance is

[Jed Dilligan]

48. I also left out the ghoulish exploitation of Gandhi and Dr. King

[blondeatlast]

51. Understandably so; the reminder is definitely not good for the harmony of the

mind or the digestive tract.

[Zandor]

60. I'm a Hillary supporter

if you bother to read my posts.

[Jed Dilligan]

62. So why post this shit?

I'm decidedly not a supporter but this thread is Hillary bashing, which I don't engage in.

Why post ANY of your shit, while you're at it?

[Zandor]

63. LOL!

You get outraged at Hillary bashing? You've got a lot of threads you need to get to and show your outrage.

This piece is for discussion, I didn't write it.

[Jed Dilligan]

66. I hope they keep you around here awhile

for the entertainment value! :hi:

[Zandor]

68. You entertain me as well

And supporting progressive values, I assume we'll both be around.

[Jed Dilligan]

71. .

:rofl:

[Zandor]

74. ....

:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

37. K&R, cause people need to see how batshit crazy you are

[BlooInBloo]

38. I was wondering where the hell the recs were coming from.

[uppityperson]

41. too bad this one got locked

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1948060
though they might be catching on since this one did too
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1951581

[BlooInBloo]

43. I don't see what's so hard to "catch on" to. I guess that's why I'm not a mod - lol!

[Forkboy]

59. I could never be a mod.

There'd be about 11 people left on DU by the time I was done.ForkboyUnderground would a lonely, sad place. :)

[scarletwoman]

65. I hope I'd be one of the eleven. I'd try to keep you cheered up...

[Forkboy]

67. You'd always be welcome!

:hi:

[Pastiche423]

57. GMFAO!

[Lilith Velkor]

42. !

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

44. Is Zandor standing in a DU corner jumping up and down shouting "look at me! Look at ME!?"

I think the questions have an equal amount of validity.

[Jed Dilligan]

49. Incorrect

I think your description in the subject line is perfectly valid.

[blondeatlast]

50. I think my post bears an edit; consider it done. nt

[Ignis]

75. In pursuit of the Almighty Post Count, perhaps?

It's certainly added a distinctive flavor to many threads recently.

The flavor of ... bat guano. :)

[blogslut]

52. Oh my

Still here, eh?

[AlCzervik]

53. he also took my car keys, made and steered the iceberg that sunk the titanic

encourage Napoleon to do battle at Waterloo, and the battle of Hastings--of course, all Clinton's doing.

[leaninglib]

54. No. Gore’s failure to win his own congressional district cost him the White House.

[uppityperson]

56. well aren't you just the cutest little thang.

[blondeatlast]

58. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. I Like Pizza

:P

[lame54]

61. NO - Cheating Republicans

caused him to lose

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qGwvSwOP7Ow

[La Lioness Priyanka]

69. gore did that to himself. clinton wanted to campaign for gore.

gore didnt want it.

[deacon]

70. If Gore would run it would cost Hillary the white house. n/t

[book_worm]

73. NO!! But Gore's selection of Lieberman as the "anit-Clinton" didn't help

[KG]

76. no, but her husbands self-indulgent affair with an intern did.

nader whiners can go suck a rock. the truth is: no blow job, no bush.