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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:12 PM
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ROHRABACHER comments about the Honorable Blackwater & Clinton responsible for 9/11
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 04:29 PM by seemslikeadream
On the floor of the House of Representitives last night




In Afghanistan after 9/11, the United States went to Afghanistan and allied itself with moderate Muslims. During the 1990s, there was a mistake by this government just as we made a mistake with China. We tried to work with the Taliban. In fact, during the Clinton administration, the Taliban came into being. And, in fact, it is very easy to see the historical record that the Clinton administration reached an agreement with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and our government was involved in creating the Taliban.
During that time period, I was a Member of Congress, and because I had spent time in Afghanistan during the war against the Soviets, I spent considerable time in Afghanistan working with those people who would oppose the Taliban. I begged the powers that be that they support King Zahir Shaw, a moderate Muslim, a man who was much beloved by all Afghans, to support his return. And, instead, our government, under Madeleine Albright and all the others of the Clinton administration, did what? They decided to go along with the Saudis and to go along with the Pakistanis in creating a religious force, that they said because the people of Afghanistan are devout, this is what will draw them together, by supporting religious fanatics.

I told them at the time it was ridiculous. I told them that it would backfire on them during the war with the Soviets. The Pakistanis had passed on aid to Hikmatyar Gulbadin, a horrendous terrorist who was, again, a radical Islamist. But there were many others whom we helped during the war against the Soviets. I was there with them. And whether it was Abdul Haq or Commander Massoud or others like them, there were many others, Galani's forces and others, who were very, very mainstream Islamic people who were not anti-Western but were just trying to free their own country from the atheistic dictatorship of the communists, and we helped them. But after that, as we walked away, when the Soviets walked away, we made this deal with the Saudis and with the Pakistanis to let them finance the reconstruction and determine who would be in power in Afghanistan, and that is when the Taliban was born, as I say, at that time over my serious objections, and I spent 5 years going in and out of Afghanistan meeting with those people who would later become the Northern Alliance.

So as we look back on Afghanistan now, years after the Taliban has been defeated and al Qaeda was driven out of that country, let us remember the success that we had was because we went to the people.

There is a mistaken belief that we are not ``winning'' in Iraq because we didn't have enough boots on the ground. We didn't send in enough American troops. Well, in fact, we had probably 100 boots on the ground when Kabul was liberated from the Taliban and al Qaeda forces in the aftermath of 9/11. In fact, that liberation of Afghanistan was accomplished with very few American soldiers on the frontlines. In fact, the people of Afghanistan liberated themselves, and we did not liberate them. And we went into that war, and we reached agreements with those leaders, tribal leaders. They are often called warlords, but that was the Northern Alliance. And it was the Northern Alliance and those good people in Afghanistan who worked with me in the Mujahideen to fight against the Soviets. Those are the people who drove out the Taliban.

When we went into Iraq, it was a different story, unfortunately. Mistakes have been made, yes. Mistakes have been made in Iraq. There is no doubt. We sent in a military force, a strong military force, and they did their job. What did not happen was the political job that was necessary to complement the fact that we had dispossessed Saddam Hussein of his military might. Instead of making agreements as we did in Afghanistan with the tribal leaders, we did not, as we did in Afghanistan, reach out to the local powers that be that were moderate Muslims, and there are many moderate Muslims in Iraq. What we instead did was tell the people of Iraq that we were going to rebuild their entire country and that, for example, there would be no room. Mr. Bremer is quoted as saying to tribal leaders that there would be no room in a modern democratic Iraq for tribalism. Thus in our effort to make the decision for those people, rather than going to the people and their leaders ourselves, we have put ourselves in what has been a horrific quagmire.

How we extricate ourselves from Iraq will go a long way in defining what type of world my children live in and, in fact, what kind of world the young people who are with us today will have. If we try to pull out precipitously and look like we are running away, if we look like we are surrendering, if it looks like we have been defeated, we will embolden those people in Iraq who hate everything about the United States, and we will embolden the radical Islamists throughout the world. There is no doubt about that. That is not to say, again, that we should not be admitting our mistakes and doing what we can to extricate ourselves in a responsible way. That is why I have been supporting General Petraeus and his efforts to have a phased withdrawal, a responsible phased withdrawal, that will then permit those elements within Iraq that do not want to be ruled by radical Islam or those elements that would like to be friends of the West to give them a chance to step up. If we are viewed as retreating and abandoning those people, there will be a heavy price to pay.

And let us admit that with the mistakes that I have already mentioned, it is a tempting target for people involved in our political system to use what is going on in Iraq as a political vehicle in the upcoming elections.

Now, the people here in Congress, we have to search our souls to make sure what we are doing is based not on political motives but instead is based on what is the long-term interest of the people of the United States.

I go down and welcome home the troops, the reservists and National Guard, all the time that come in and out and leave Iraq or are coming back from Iraq, and I welcome them back, and I know, because I have supported this effort, that I must pay special attention. But let us note that we have to be doing this and looking at this and analyzing what is happening in a nonpolitical way. I am afraid that there are some forces at play that would try to politicize what is going on in Iraq.

Those people who oppose our efforts to have a phased withdrawal, would like immediate withdrawal from Iraq, those people who see America as the big problem in the world instead of as the world's only hope, those people cannot attack American soldiers because they realize that all Americans are proud of the men and women who are defending our country in uniform. But what we are witnessing now is what I would consider a maneuver on the part of those who, if they could, would attack American military troops. What they are doing is attacking American security companies who have been brought to Iraq to try to supplement our war effort there. By and large these American security companies are made up of people who have perhaps 10 times the experience of our own soldiers. American security companies like Blackwater, for example, hire on special forces and other extraordinarily well-trained American military personnel when they retire from the military so that their skills can still be put to use in the defense of our country and in the promotion of human freedom.


Their personnel are essential to the success of any of our military goals, but they're also essential to the success of a phased pull-out of Iraq. Otherwise, there will be no buffer. Otherwise, there is no means for us to have the type of withdrawal with success. Otherwise, it is a retreat.

Blackwater, as I say, has been working now, I think, since 1997. It's run by a young man named Eric Prince. He inherited his money. And the fact is he could have done a lot of other things with his money and made a lot more money. He could have gone to China and made 10 times the profit that he makes by creating a security company that would work side by side with American forces and American diplomats overseas to try to offer protection to our country and to those State Department and other people who are working in the United States Government overseas. He could have gone and made much more money.

Instead, now he's being called, I've seen him called ``murderer,'' I've seen the people in Blackwater being called ``thugs,'' when in fact almost every one of these people who work for Blackwater, like Eric himself, are former Special Forces people. Eric was a Navy SEAL for 5 years. And then, rather than just living the life of luxury that he could have done when he inherited his money, he decided to do something good for his country. Those people who are retiring from our military and have good pensions, yes, they could live the life of Riley; they could go fishing every day. But, instead, they are putting their skills to use by putting their lives in danger for us. Yet, they are being attacked unmercifully by people who just basically oppose the fact that this President got us involved in Iraq in the first place.
We should not be taking it out on the people of Blackwater. Those men and women who are in Blackwater are very honorable people. And not to say they haven't made some mistakes, just as our own military personnel have made mistakes; but, in fact, Blackwater probably has a better record than our own military because they are, as I say, they are people with vastly more experience than that of our own soldiers and sailors and airmen.

So tomorrow there will be a hearing on Blackwater. I would hope that Blackwater and the people of Blackwater, those people who have made enormous contributions to the safety and security of our operations in Afghanistan and in Iraq, that they are not brutalized, that they're treated fairly, and that we do not permit the politicalization of this fight with radical Islam and this effort that now goes on in Iraq to be used in a way that will, number one, hurt brave people who are risking their lives for us, but at the same time, undermine our efforts for the long-term security of our country so that we will have a phased withdrawal that will give the good people of this world a chance.

We need to give the people of Burma a chance. We need to give the people of China a chance. We need to give the people of Iraq a chance. They are our greatest allies.

The people of the world who would live in democracy and see America as a positive force and, fortunately, many of them see America as a positive force, yet many people here in the United States for some reason do not share that opinion of their own country and believe that the United States is a negative force in the world.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:14 PM
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1. Muzzle anyone?

What an amazing load of horseshit Dana is peddling today.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:14 PM
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2. Another garbage spewing dimwit...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:16 PM
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3. Where did you get this POS?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:31 PM
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10. Thanks for reminding me I edited my OP
I heard this POS last night on CSPAN
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:17 PM
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4. "I hope it's your families who are attacked by terrorists!!"
Remember when Dana said that? Man, he is the biggest asshole in Congress since DeLay stepped down.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:27 PM
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7. Where to start? This guy is a freakin' Liar & is trying to
write his won History of Afghanistan. I just finished reading "Imperial Hubris". This book details what went wrong in Afghanistan. I believe the former CIA person that was in charge of the Osama bin Laden case. He has way more credibility than this RWing Asshole, who defends the murderous Merc outfit Blackwater.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:19 PM
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5. He's worth every penny Blackwater's paying him.
I particularly love the part about how setting up Blackwater was an act of charity by Eric Prince. The way it's phrased makes Blackwater look like Oxfam. Eric could have "gone to China" and made lots more money, but instead he decided to go the Mother Theresa route and create a mercenary army.

The WTF? smiley was invented for stuff like this.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:24 PM
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6. Did he say Eric Prince was guilty of murder by proxy?
Oh, because that's what I heard ;)
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:29 PM
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8. uhhh, he went from $100,000 to $1billion in Govt Contracts
What could he have made in China to generate that kind of growth????

:wtf:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:29 PM
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9. The number of historical lies in this speech is mind-boggling.
Even dealing with current events, he sounds like goddamn Pollyanna. He actually cites Afghanistan as a model of success??!! Has he been living in Rip Van Winkleland for the past two years? Jesus!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:33 PM
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12. How can he lie like that in a speech in the House?
How can he get away with it?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 05:02 PM
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15. I'm hoping Kucinich or someone with cajones calls him on it.
This is just an astounding misrepresentation of the truth from every conceivable angle.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:32 PM
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11. ummm, dana, you moran---
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 04:39 PM by niyad
The Taliban (Pashto: ?????? ??lib?n, also anglicized as Taleban) are a Sunni Muslim Pashtun movement <2> that ruled most of Afghanistan from 1995 until 2001

let's see--WHO was in the white house during those years?? ronnie ray-gun and poppy, if I remember correctly.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 05:03 PM
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16. Er...Saint Ronnie and Bush the Smarter were in power from 1981-1993.
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 05:06 PM by Kutjara
Big Dog was President during the years you note.

However, it was Regan and Bush I who were largely responsible for funding and supporting the mujahideen during the war with the USSR. The chaos that resulted after the Soviet withdrawal enabled the Taliban element of the mujahideen to rise to power. So the fault can still be laid at Ronnie and Bush's door.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:53 PM
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13. Rohrajerker
UH, the Taliban were partly funded by Ronald Reagan in their fight against Russia, you F-IN
Fukwad Rohrabacher

Doesnt he know history?

:hi:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:57 PM
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14. He damn well knows. He is trying to re-write it to suit his RWing
delusions. He is a damn liar & an Asshole!
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