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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:39 AM
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Rifles sold to Iran miraculously found in the last 24 hours in hands of "terrorists"
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 12:53 AM by antiimperialist
Check it out.
"A small amount" of rifles sold to Iran from Austria some time ago were found in terrorist hands in the past 6 months, but today, a day after accusations against Iran of arming Iraqi insurgents, the total has come up to 100.
That is some timing!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:41 AM
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1. Certainly there are crazies in Iran who would provide these weapons to people who hate the US.
That doesn't prove anything about Iran's government.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:42 AM
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2. Because the US has been raiding Shiite neighborhoods too?
The ones that haven't been shooting at Americans much?
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:43 AM
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3. Again...anonymous source. How interesting. n/t
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:46 AM
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4. The longer the propaganda
continues to take flight like a lead zeppelin the more outlandish it will become, until a ship gets shot at and we have our new Gulf of Honkin. (as in honkin lies)
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:53 AM
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5. We are now supposed to start believing all of this ?
It won't work anymore. How can anyone in their right mind believe any of the propoganda that is circulating now ? One wonders how much this paper was paid to print the article ? I saw Bush briefly on C-Span today, smirking about telling Poppy that he reads too much "news". Seems Poppy is concerned about Georgie.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:58 AM
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6. Who wrote this script? This is really an ingenious approach
to get the war ball rolling, even better than the WMD one. It's going to happen, I just wish I was fucked up enough to cash in on it somehow.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:15 AM
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7. I'm calling "Bullshit!" We've already gone down that road. A planted story here, a Judith Miller ...
... there. Here a Scooter, there a Rove.

I can't take it!

Thanks for posting, but label me skeptical.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:21 AM
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8. US Policy on Small Arms and Light Weapons
Loretta Bondì
Naval War College Review, Winter 2006, Vol. 59, No. 1

... The final document and subsequent initiatives, the United States insisted, were not to include:

* Any definition encompassing any non-military-style weapons or lethal weapons of war

* Any restriction on civilian possession of arms

* Any clause banning transfers to nonstate actors

* Any calls for negotiations on legally binding international instruments ...

John Bolton had spelled out ...: “We do not support measures that would constrain legal trade and legal manufacturing of small arms and light weapons. The vast majority of arms transfers in the world are routine and not problematic.” Yet past U.S. interventions and a series of studies had demonstrated that weapons were routinely diverted by intended end users for unsavory purposes and that governments continued to contravene their own stated policies and international commitments by transferring weapons irresponsibly ...

Moreover, the United States has reportedly contributed to the weakening or scrapping altogether of important language on small arms and light weapons in the outcome document presented at the September 2005 world summit of leaders ...

http://usnwc.edu/press/Review/2006/winter/art5-w06.htm

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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:11 AM
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14. I agree with this part...
... The final document and subsequent initiatives, the United States insisted, were not to include:

* Any restriction on civilian possession of arms

* Any clause banning transfers to nonstate actors

...since I am both a "civilian" and a "non-state actor" who owns guns...

Having said that, the timing of this Iran thing sure is convenient...
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:35 AM
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9. Until Iran Confirms The Transaction - Buying The Weapons
Documents have been forged before for the Iraq deception and it is not too far out to expect the * administration to do same thing for Iran - especially from an arms corporation. Someone should check to see if this company has link to the Carlyle Group.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:39 AM
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10. Anyone count the AK-47s and Glocks bought by US for Iraq
that ended up in terrorists hands? Bet it's hundredfold to this? Maybe we have to go to war with U.S.?
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:10 AM
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11. Did the BFEE and saudis buy them to start with n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:24 AM
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12. What about all the support ($$$) the Saudis are giving Iraqi Sunnis?
Why doesn't our illustrious M$M cover the Saudi's meddling in Iraq, which I believe, is at least, as substantial?
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:52 AM
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13. Democrats won't talk about the Saudi issue
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 06:52 AM by antiimperialist
This is something only us on the blogs seem to be aware of.
Why?
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:18 AM
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15. And that is one of the most disgusting issues surrounding the GWOT.
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 08:19 AM by Edweird
The current president of the United States plays "kissy face" with the leaders of the country that attacked our country on 9/11. bush is traitor to our country. But, you're right. Outside in the real world, some people still think you have your tin foil on when you mention it. I guess that it is such "un-reality" that people have a hard time getting their mind around it. Indict.Convict.Imprison. Repeat as necessary.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:22 AM
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16. I betcha the Carlyle Group
owns the Austrian arms company.Or at least a large stake in them.

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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:27 AM
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17. $19,000 per rifle
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 08:29 AM by loindelrio
Don't think you will see many of these during deer season.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:37 AM
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18. They fly Tomcats
So I heard that the Pentagon no longer sells Tomcat (F-14?) parts because the only people who need them are Iran!! How is it Iran flies American fighter planes, even if a little out of date. Well we gave it to them! Geez people this is as bad as the knowledge that the gas Saddam Hussein used on the Kurds came from us. Even though I know that Iran is kind of a scary country and could indeed be a threat it still sickens me to see the exact same bs thrown agaisnt Iran that was thrown agaisnt Iraq. And since most people know that Iran is threatening to certain neighbors (Israel for sure) maybe they think we won't care. Does anyone else think we are caught in some weird causality loop here?:puke: :crazy: :mad:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:51 AM
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19. Iran a scary country?




















I find America under the bush regime far more scary, as does the majority of the world. But that's just me.

And the majority of the rest of the world.





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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:58 AM
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20. lovely pics and I should say they have a scary govt
and I can't say that I would want anybody to live under Sharia law but I do know there is a very strong pro-western movement in Iran today. *'s insane policies have made it much harder for them in their country. A few years back even Khameni seemed like he was getting tolerable. And I do know that there is a very underreported element from 9/11 of the Iranian government actually helping us find the group responsible.
I must say, I bet very few people in this country have seen such pretty pictures of Iran. Enjoyed them.:)
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:02 AM
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21. Another "gift" from the MEK? (nt)
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