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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:33 AM Original message |
Despite the recent Nation article, non-voters clearly aren't waiting for a progressive candidate. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well said :-) n/t |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. Are you SURE you're not 50 years old? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I'd prefer duckets to daps |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. If "Everybody" Voted The Results Would Be "Essentially" The Same As They Are Now |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. There are no real Soccer Moms and NASCAR Dads, either... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Kucinich does this. Nader does this. They should be winning, by your rationale |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I don't think the swing-voter thing plays-in until the general election. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. In that case, why such apathy during the primary? Again, Nader was present in two general elections |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Nader got enough of a vote to tip the scales. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. You think Kucinich would be treated as "legitimate" by the system if he won the primary? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. If he won a primary, of course! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I Think Indys Are No More Or No Less Susceptible To Vacuous Appeals Than Anybody Else |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Exactly. Indys aren't somehow nobly above succumbing to the same silly marketing tricks |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. exactly. infact i think the opposite occurs. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Then why haven't they joined a party at this point? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The Research Indicates That Most Indys Lean Democrat Or Republican |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Equally across the spectrum. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Are you kidding? Swing voters do vote. They determine elections. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. They determine elections. Not primaries. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I'm not asking about primaries. I'm asking about general elections. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Read up-thread (and beyond my headline) |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. But how is settling for a "half-decent" mainstream candidate going to help us? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Because in our shitty system, when progressives don't vote for "half-decent," "wholly-evil" benefits |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Well, most likely most of us WOULD lower ourselves to "lesser-evilism" in the fall |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
11. If we continue to cooperate with the corrupt system we will perpetuate it. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Half the country refuses to cooperate, and things have gotten worse, not better |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Then it comes down to the individual to decide whether he/she will cooperate. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Fleeing to Canada does nothing to fix the country. Neither does a protest vote |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. How has that worked so far? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. As of right now keeping the worst people out of office is our general election power |
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