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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:18 AM
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Anyone listening to the Waxman Oversight hearing?
Who is that GOP Clinton basher?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:20 AM
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1. Thank you for the heads up. Here is a list of witnesses
* Judge Radhi Hamza al-Radhi, former head of the Iraqi Commission on Public Integrity
* Mr. David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States
* Mr. Stuart Bowen, Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction
* Ambassador Larry Butler, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Near East Affairs, U.S. Department of State
* Ms. Claudia Rosett, Journalist-in-Residence, Foundation for Defense of Democracies

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1514
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:24 AM
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3. Thanks
Whoever the GOP member was, he was going over a laundry list of Clinton "corruption" talking points. He asked the Iraqi witness about MARC RICH.

The Iraqi witness wasn't having any of it. "We have no infrastructure. Corruption is corruption, whether it's under Saddam or America"
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:27 AM
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5. I cannot get over how many times I hear the name Clinton coming from the other side
in so many hearings. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an idiot like Mica and you're welcomed!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:28 AM
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6. Hearing will continue after a vote in the House. eom
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:50 PM
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39. Some info on Ms. Claudia Rosett whom the repuglicans want to testify
Another boosh sycophant


http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=110006953

Saddam and al Qaeda
There's abundant evidence of connections.

BY CLAUDIA ROSETT
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:07 PM
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42. thanks
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 01:08 PM by blogslut
I saw her name on the docket and her name struck me as a plant. ;)

EDIT: Rephrase
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:21 AM
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2. Thanks
:hi:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:25 AM
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4. So Dyncorp managed to safely get an embezzler of US funds out of Iraq,
and that person is in Chicago now? Nice.....
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:31 AM
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7. Did the get the guy who bought children for he CEO's and employees
for sex slaves. That story was hushed up pretty damn quickly. The first investigations showed some 7 year old girl with a 350 pound pig whom the corporation had bought for him. I can't believe these stories never made more of a show on TV. But then Dyncorp was one of the major contributors to the bush campaign. And when the reporters did have the guts to ask Fleishman if bush would return the money he was ignored.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:35 AM
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9. Is this in regard to what happened in Bosnia and made it to the Chicago Tribune
and just died?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:36 AM
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11. Cynthia McKinney takes on Donald Rumsfeld
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 10:38 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=156327&mesg_id=156338



Representative Cynthia McKinney Rocks Rumsfeld on War Games

"Mr. Chairman, I have a question"

On-the-Record:
Representative Cynthia McKinney Rocks
Rumsfeld on War Games

By
Michael Kane

Hurriedly I made contact with her staff and forwarded a number of PDF files so that when her time came and on national television, McKinney could finally, in a public forum, hold those responsible for 9/11 accountable with the proof in her hands and demand an answer. These were the same files I had acquired during my research for Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. McKinney was to be well-armed with assistance from other tenacious 9/11 researchers and there would be no escape.

Unless it came time for lunch.

Having lost her seniority after a successful 2002 Israeli-funded and Republican Party-managed campaign to unseat her, McKinney's chance to question Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs Chairman General Richard Myers was pushed aside until the hearings were about to be closed. It appears the bears knew what was coming and had neatly dodged a bullet.

Not quite.

Although the American people were deprived of an on-the-record answer about who was running the wargames which paralyzed official response on 9/11, Cynthia McKinney let it be known (on the record) that we knew and would not forget. As she found a way to get her question on the record, she gave us all a priceless Kodak moment: one that ranks right up there with the reaction I evoked in public from then CIA Director John Deutch in 1996.

The point here is not that 9/11 is suddenly back on the table, somehow available for resolution and justice. It's a long way from a question from a junior member of the minority party asking a question to an impeachment, conviction and imprisonment. The election is still over. The compromised Keane Commission has still closed its doors. No further investigations or legal proceedings are pending. The media has still moved on and the court system and congress are still willfully impotent.

But courage endures. And as long as there is someone like Cynthia McKinney on Capitol Hill there will be moments - wonderful moments like the one captured on the attached video - which prove that we have not gone away or forgotten and that we still have the will to speak.

For those of us who spent years investigating 9/11, the research and evidence we have compiled will always be within arm's reach, awaiting these golden moments. As new threats and challenges overtake us and demand our focus in "the now" we stand ready to jump on any miracle that presents us with an opportunity to remind the world that murderers still walk free, still in power. Like blades of grass growing steadfastly up through the sidewalk we will never surrender our ability to speak truth to power.

God bless Cynthia McKinney. - MCR]

March 1, 2005, PST 1200 (FTW): On February 16, 2005, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Richard B. Myers the same question this reporter asked General Ralph "Ed" Eberhart at the final 9/11 commission hearing:

What about the war games?

The Full House Armed Services Committee met to receive testimony on the Fiscal Year 2006 National Defense Authorization budget request from the Department of Defense. As the meeting wound down to its expected end, Secretary Rumsfeld prepared to leave. Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA), who chaired the hearing, asked the Secretary to commit to a breakfast with Representatives who had not yet asked their questions. Secretary Rumsfeld happily agreed to do so.

At that moment Cynthia McKinney made sure to get the following vital question into the Congressional Record.

Transcript, February 16, Rumsfeld and Myers questioned by Cynthia McKinney:

Cynthia McKinney: Mr. Chairman, I have a question.

Duncan Hunter: The Gentle-lady is recognized.

McKinney: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would that breakfast with the Secretary be open to the public?

Hunter: Well, if you want to bring all the omelets it might be, but ah -

McKinney: Well Mr. Chairman, the problem is - and I appreciate your adherence to the five-minute rule - however there are many of us who have important questions and my question in particular is about the four war games that were taking place on September 11th and how they may have impaired our ability to respond to those attacks.

Mr. Hunter: Well let me say the gentle lady...



McKinney: I would like that question to be answered in public Mr. Chairman.

Hunter: Let me say to the gentle lady we're going to have other opportunities to have the Secretary in front of us and what we will do beyond having questions, if you want a question for the record, be able to put that to the record and have the answer on the record, but additionally at the next event where the Secretary testifies - we'll try to make sure that happens - we will start with the folks who did not get their question answered so you will have an opportunity.

McKinney: Thank you so much Mr. Chairman, and I hope the record is still open so that even that portion of my comment will be on this record.

Hunter: It will be so ordered.

McKinney: Thank you Mr. Chairman.

-- end of transcript

At this point Representative Skelton (D-MO) asked a visibly flustered Donald Rumsfeld if in the future a classified briefing could occur on the recommendations given by General Luck and his team to the Secretary.

This helped to bury McKinney's question (and by necessity, the process continues: DoD has posted a peculiar "transcript" of the meeting's final moments, from which Representative McKinney's question has been thoroughly deleted), giving Rumsfeld a way to divert attention from the issue she had skillfully placed on the record. Rumsfeld responded to Skelton's question without addressing McKinney's at all. The only response to her question came in the form of both Rumsfeld and Myers' rapid hand movements and off-microphone murmurs. The issue seemed to knock Rumsfeld off-balance, affecting him as it had affected Ralph "Ed" Eberhart at the final 9/11 Commission hearing.

It's unlikely that "No comment" will be an acceptable reply to Representative McKinney's question. Eberhart got away with that when responding to this reporter, and has since retired from his post heading both NORTHERN COMMAND and NORAD. His retirement came immediately after the 2004 presidential election. It appears "no comment" will be his final word on the matter, but that will not be the case for Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers.

Who was in charge of coordinating the multiple war games running on 9/11? Crossing the Rubicon has already answered this question in spades. But maybe, just maybe, with her return to Capitol Hill Cynthia McKinney has kept alive a flicker of hope that the crimes of 9/11 may yet shake up the US government.

The courage and directness of this fearless woman never cease to amaze us. She has let it be known that she will be a perpetual thorn in the side of the administration for at least the next two years.




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In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.

Open Letter to Richard A. Clarke regarding War Games, 9/11 Timeline and Myers/Rumsfeld Testimony

From: Kyle Hence
February 23, 2005
Open Letter to Richard A. Clarke, former counter-terrorism 'czar' for both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Author, Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=484

Subject:
Pertaining to accounts in Clarke's book Against All Enemies, neither retracted or refuted, regarding 9/11 war games and the participation of General Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld in a video conference managed from the White House Situation Room by Richard Clarke with the assistance of his Deputy, Roger Cressey.

Note of Explanation:
This letter/email was presented (via email or in person) to Mr. Clarke on four occasions without a response of any kind to the specific questions raised regarding the actions (or lack of) from our military and top officials in positions of responsibility on 9/11. Given no response, and Rep. Cynthia McKinney's attempt to raise the issue at February 16th Armed Services Committee hearing, CitizensWatch is taking the step of making this letter public.

This letter (see below) with questions pertaining to 9/11 (wargames, sworn testimony by Rumsfeld & Myers) was first sent as an email in June of 2004 to Mr. Clarke via his consulting company, Good Harbor. This note and these questions were presented personally to Mr. Clarke a second time on October 6, 2004 - and via email (3rd attempt) directly to his personal email box on October 15. When presented with a second opportunity in person (4th attempt) to respond to these queries backstage at a December 7th function at the Institute for Ethical Culture in New York City, Mr. Clarke refused to acknowledge the author and instead quickly left the room.

Receiving no response despite repeated attempts I am now releasing this to the public as an 'open letter' in the hopes responsible members of the press, family members and/or dedicated investigators will follow up publicly and personally with Mr. Clarke and the Commissioners who failed to examine the glaring discrepancies between Clarke's accounts and those offered in public statements and in sworn testimony by Chairman Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld.

It should be noted that Richard Clarke is the only member of the Bush Administration to publicly apologize to the 9/11 families. While generating controversy at the time, his testimony before the 9/11 Commission regarding the warnings and plan for dealing with Al-Qaeda that he presented to Condi Rice and the Bush Administration in January of 2001 has been recently bolstered by the release of an unclassified version of his January memo to then National Security Advisor Rice.

This controversy could pale in comparison, however, to what could be revealed in sworn testimonies before the appropriate Committee regarding Sept. 11th war games (including "Vigilant Warrior" mentioned by Gen. Myers on the morning of Sept. 11th), changing NORAD timelines and the testimony already offered by Chairman Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld regarding their whereabouts and actions taken in the first and most critical minutes immediately following the attack on the World Trade Center. {see pages 1-7; Against All Enemies)

This is being made public now in an effort to force this issue into the public's eye and ultimately to see full accountability and disclosure. Another 9/11 commemoration must not pass without these issues being addressed forthrightly and honestly before the American people; either in Manhattan before an AG Spitzer or DA Morganthau-convened Grand Jury or public hearings, in Albany before the appropriate Committee or on Capitol Hill. We offer this in hope that those with integrity in a position of responsibility will rise to this challenge. In this case above all others we must not allow the truth to continue to be veiled or obfuscated.

Kyle F. Hence
Co-founder, 9/11 CitizensWatch
February 23, 2005

kfh@911citizenswatch.org


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Sent originally in June '04 via email to Good Harbor Consulting; Presented directly to Mr. Clarke on October 6th at a speaking engagement in New Jersey. A follow-up email was sent directly to his personal email box following the October meeting and his signing of my copy of his book, Against All Enemies. Another attempt to get answers to these questions was rejected on December 7th at the Institute for Ethical Culture in New York City.
Dear Mr. Clarke,

Yesterday I had the pleasure of a brief discussion regarding the events in the White House Situation Room on the morning of September 11th with your then Deputy and now partner, Roger Cressey. He was helpful in answering a few questions. Seeing as I didn't expect him to answer when I rang a number I wasn't sure about, I was not entirely prepared with my questions. Thankfully he offered to make himself available in the future and encouraged me to email you via your Assistant, Ms. Roundtree, for questions I wanted to address to you specifically.

Before I get to my specific queries I should say that I have been running a Citizens watchdog group since March of last year monitoring the course of the investigation of the September 11th attacks. I've attended all the hearings and been successful in putting key questions and areas of inquiry on the radar for the Commission though they have not been sufficiently addressed them in their report.

Currently we are preparing to publish a response to the 9/11 Commission Report and are in the midst of attempting to review their 'findings of fact and circumstances' and their timeline; and where appropriate challenge them with substantiated and credible conflicting accounts or evidence. I appreciate whatever details and corroboration you can offer us to help us in this effort.

Roger said that both you and he were questioned for many hours by the 9/11 Commission Report. I guess I'd like to start there if I may:

In your book, from my reading of your account, the Video Conference with links to the CCC at the OSD, the FAA, etc began sometime between 9:08AM approximately when you arrived at the White House but well before 9:27AM, the time you recounted in the book immediately following detailed exchanges you had with General Myers and prior to that with Jane Garvey at the FAA.

Is this accurate?

Since your book and the Report has been released have you had opportunity to confirm your version of the timeline of events with others who were present?

Given your account, is it accurate to say that both Gen. Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld were involved in discussions about how to respond to the attack? And again, before 9:27AM?

Roger said he remembered clearly seeing Rumsfeld sitting at the CCC on screen at the Video Center when he arrived before 9:30AM. In your account, while you mention the presence on Rumsfeld on the Conference from the outset when Lisa Gordon-Hagerty started taking the roll, was he involved in any substantive discussions regarding the need for issuing orders for military response, the scrambling of planes for intercept of any of the most threatening of the 11 targets that Jane Garvey had identified, or putting a CAP over D.C.?

Or was this issue handled entirely by Gen. Myers and his uniformed staff as recounted in your book?

In either your testimony before the Commission or in the private interview, did you convey the above timeline and details?

I imagine you are well aware of the Commission's account of the videoconference and that it conflicts with the account in your book.

Obviously the bottom line here to put it to you bluntly, did they get it right?

And are you standing by your account including the timeline and the participation in the conference by both Myers and Rumsfeld from Defense?

The report maintains that the videoconference did not begin until 9:40AM. (see page 36 of the Report). Roger says it was underway when he arrived in the Situation Room before 9:30AM and your account has it starting around a half hour earlier. What's the truth here? Can you help me resolve this discrepancy; it's seems a serious one?

Given this discrepancy are you concerned about the implications of such a possible distortion of the public record as it is reflected in the report?

Thank you for taking the time to consider these questions. I know your time is valuable. I have just a few more questions if I may.

1) From what location did Gen Myers join the videoconference? Was he too, along with Rumsfeld, at the CCC in the Office of the Secretary of Defense?

2) At any point during the first half hour of the conference did the conference include or communicate directly with the NMCC?

3) Is there a direct secure line between the CCC and the NMCC?

4) Are you aware of any communication regarding a CAP or scramble and intercept orders being conveyed by either General Myers or Sec. Rumsfeld to the NMCC?

5) Defending D.C.:
While I understand that military jets from two squadrons at the highest state of readiness at Andrews were not formally part of NORAD on the morning of September 11th, can you tell me if there were any jets there that morning in standard readiness at D.C. area bases to protect P-56 or the Pentagon airspace?

If yes, were these planes scrambled and if so, when and from where? In other words, was the non-NORAD defense option--involving normal P-56 defense--for the Capitol identified and employed that morning?

And if not, why not from your position in the circle of those responding that morning?

When did you first hear of a possible threat to D.C. either from the so-called phantom flight 11 or from flight 77?

Did the Andrews AFB based jets on practice bombing runs over North Carolina (confirmed by John Farmer of the Commission and reported in the press) factor into defense options? For example, speculating for a moment from my position of ignorance, did these exercises involving three planes from Andrews leave D.C. without strip alert fighters armed and ready that morning?

Finally, did the NORAD war games (Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Vigilance) being run on 9/11 impact in any way, positively or negatively, the response by the military that morning?

Was there any involvement from the White House in the war games?

Who was ultimately responsible for monitoring and running these exercises? And for being sure there was a 'firewall' between the games and 'real life'?

Were any of the 11 potential hijacks on the FAA system radar 'injects' part of the war gaming?

Re. the Vice-President. When did he reach the PEOC? My reading of your account has him headed down there some minutes after your arrival at the WH but well before 9:27AM. Was the PEOC linked to either the Video Center, the NMCC or the CCC during the critical minutes before the Pentagon strike? When did you first have the VP on an open line at the PEOC?

On any of these questions if you cannot answer for whatever reason perhaps you could direct me to someone who could. The pieces are starting to fall into place and your support could be critical to our own, we believe ultimately, more accurate report.

If you would prefer to meet in person for an interview I would be happy to arrange to come to Washington. A half an hour is all I would need should you be interested in further helping us clarify the record here.

Alternatively, may I follow up with you by phone at some point before we conclude our report?

Your willingness to take the time to help us sort this out is much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Kyle F. Hence
9/11 CitizensWatch
kylehence@earthlink.net


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The following questions had been prepared in advance of Mr. Clarke's appearance at the Institute for Ethical Culture in New York City on December 7th, 2004:

Discrepancies in accounts regarding Rumsfeld and Myers

In addition to answers to the above questions can you explain why in your second edition of your book coming out AFTER the 9/11 Report (the first edition have come out before the final report) when you clearly had the opportunity you did not address the very serious discrepancies between your accounts of the whereabouts and involvement of General Richard Myers, then Acting Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld in the response to the terrorist attacks in the critical thirty minutes prior to the attack on the Pentagon?

Your account which I confirmed personally with your former deputy and now business partner Roger Cressey, places Myers at a location where he is seen by way of the video conference you were running from the White House situation room? Whereas, Myers' own account repeated in the 9/11 Report has him in a breakfast meeting and presumably incommunicado until he leaves the office of Max Cleland to head to the Pentagon where en route, he says, he saw smoke rising from the Pentagon. Similarly, Rumsfeld claims he is out of the loop (echoed again by the Commission) but your account places him on your videoconference not long after the second tower was struck around 9:10AM EST. Furthermore, Mr. Cressey informed me personally by phone from his home that when he arrived at the Situation Room at approximately 9:35 he recalled clearly seeing Rumsfeld on screen in direct contradiction to Rumsfeld's public statements and the 9/11 Commission Report.

9/11 War games/Terror exercises - Vice-presidents role…

At a recent speaking engagement in Northern Californian I understand that you were asked by a member of the audience if on the morning of 9/11 Cheney was coordinating war games including ones involving false radar injects and live mock hijacked aircraft. According to the conversation as it was related to me, you corrected her saying that Cheney was NOT responsible for coordinating the war games that just happened to coincide with the actual attacks but that we was in charge of overseeing these war games.

Would you please for the benefit of all Americans and in the interest of full disclosure confirm for us what VP Cheney's role was in these war games, particularly Vigilant Warrior?

Were you involved in any way of the field-training exercise you mentioned in your book, Vigilant Warrior? Can you confirm that it involved live-fly hijackings? That it involved multiple radar 'injects' on FAA radar?


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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:00 AM
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13. This IMHO was the best line of questioning I've heard since listening to c-span. Thanks for posting!
:hi:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
8. Hm they wouldn't let me post about Dyncorp and sex slaves.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. I've posted the Chicago Tribune article and it wasn't taken down. It was bonafide news. eom
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 10:36 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. Who wouldn't?
I have here
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:22 AM
Response to Original message
14. Not me.
I'm waiting for the SiFi channel to make the movie.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:26 AM
Response to Original message
15. The hearing is resuming right now! eom
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:28 AM
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16. John Mica
R-FLA

Mr. Waxman was not pleased with Mr Mica's line of questions and told him so.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. I guessed that. Not hard. eom
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:30 AM
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18. Burton is SCUM
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:35 AM
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20. How do people like Burton sleep at night? I just don't get it. eom
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
29. Why don't you waterboard him Burton?
Then maybe he tell you what you want to hear
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:35 AM
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19. Why are the repubs so hot to discredit Judge al-Radhi?
What is going on?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:38 AM
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21. He just gave testimony that Dyncorp assisted a convicted felon of
getting out of Iraq. The person was convicted of corruption and is now supposedly residing in Chicago.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Ministers in dock over missing billions
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article576211.ece


The TimesOctober 8, 2005

Ministers in dock over missing billions
Iraqi officials are aghast at British and US failure to halt corruption in the interim government
By James Hider
FIVE former Iraqi ministers who held posts in the interim Government installed by the United States last year are facing charges of corruption and abuse of power, a senior Iraqi judge said yesterday.
Among them is Hazem Shaalan, the former Defence Minister in the Government of Iyad Allawi, according to Judge Radhi al-Radhi, head of the Commission on Public Integrity. Under Mr Shaalan’s leadership, an estimated £1.3 billion went missing, auditors believe.

Judge Radhi told The Times that Iraq’s fight against terrorists and insurgents had been severely handicapped by the corruption and incompetence of the interim Government, which was selected by the US-led occupation authority to accept the transfer of sovereignty in June last year.

The other former Cabinet ministers under indictment are those for Trade, Labour, Housing and Transport. The former Transport Minister has since disappeared and Interpol has issued a warrant for his arrest.

In one catastrophic deal, the Iraqi Ministry of Defence paid $226 million (£128 million) for a consignment of Russian helicopters, a deal arranged by a Polish-Iraqi ministry employee, Judge al-Radhi said. “Two helicopters were sent in a shabby condition, so we asked them to stop the contract, but we never got the money back.”
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:42 AM
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23. Thank you! nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:47 AM
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24. Political asylum for fearful Iraqi watchdog
According to news source IraqSlogger, a high-level official from a watchdog group has been granted political asylum in the U.S. Although the tip hasn’t been confirmed as yet, IraqSlogger notes that it comes from a "well-placed source."

The controversial figure granted the asylum, says IraqSlogger, may be Judge Radhi Hamza al-Radhi, who heads the Iraqi Commission on Public Integrity. Judge al-Radhi and his family have received numerous threats already, and the fear of retaliation is great as many of al-Radhi’s colleagues and underlings have been murdered due to their work rooting out corruption in Iraq’s ministries.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:50 AM
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25. Corruption Draining Iraq's Oil Industry
Corruption Draining Iraq's Oil Industry


http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2005/2005-04-21-03.asp

"When I confronted them, the bandits tried to attack me with their guns," he said. "The country’s economy and security is dependent upon catching those who engage in corruption and the criminals who collaborate with them."

The government as a whole is facing a struggle against corruption, according to Judge Radhi Hamza al-Radhi, chairman of the Commission on Public Integrity.

"This waste of public finances is worrying government officials in Iraq," he said.

"It is difficult to combat corruption due to the absence of a strong mechanism to control all the institutions' civil servants, and due to a lack of support from law enforcement bodies," said Judge al-Radhi.

In an effort to deal with the corruption problem, the Iraqi oil ministry rid itself of 450 employees suspected of selling fuel illegally.

But oil ministry official Li’aibi is not sure whether actions such as this will put an end to graft. "I can’t recommend any civil servants or workers," he said. "Today they are honest but, after one month, they are engaging in corruption. I can’t even guarantee that I won’t be joining them."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:51 AM
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26. Hearing on Iraq Corruption: Judge Radhi Hamza al-Radhi
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:52 AM
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27. Fired Iraqi Judge Testifies Corruption Has 'Stopped' Reconstruction
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004377.php

Fired Iraqi Judge Testifies Corruption Has 'Stopped' Reconstruction
By Spencer Ackerman - October 4, 2007, 11:04AM
Here's how bad corruption is in Iraq. An Iraqi corruption judge, Radhi Hamza al-Radhi, the former head of the Iraqi Commission on Public Integrity, is testifying now before the House oversight committee. It's been known that institutional mechanisms in the Iraqi criminal code allow the Iraqi ministers to stifle corruption investigations. But al-Radhi, who is now seeking asylum in the U.S., stated that a whopping $18 billion has been lost to thieves in "nearly every ministry." (That's not the U.S.-provided Iraqi Relief and Reconstruction Fund.) Corruption, he said, is not just getting worse, but has "stopped" reconstruction efforts.

Al-Radhi testified that the Maliki government's corruption "has helped fund sectarian militias," as has that of Maliki's rivals in the Sunni parties. According to al-Radhi, the militias controlling cities like Taji (Sunni) and Basra (Shiite) control oil sales and use the revenue to buy weapons. "These militias are from the parties' blocs, and it is a source of revenue for them." Even worse is what happens to those who try to stop the corruption: The militias have systematically targeted al-Radhi and his investigators. His staff and their relatives have been kidnapped, detained, tortured and murdered. Their bodies have been found hung on meat hooks, tortured with power drills, and attacked by suicide bombers.

He said Maliki -- who recently issued counter-charges of corruption against al-Radhi -- has protected his deputies and "his relatives" from corruption investigations. These are allegations that the State Department tried to stop Waxman from airing publicly.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:55 AM
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28. Iraqi official: ‘Corruption has crippled Iraq’
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20040662/

Top watchdog resigns, accuses al-Maliki Cabinet of corruption

NBC video


Official alleges corruption in al Maliki cabinet
Sept. 7: A top corruption fighter in Iraq says the U.S. should no longer support that government. NBC’s Lisa Myers reports.
Nightly News

U.S. officials say the battle to clean up Iraq's government has suffered a "serious blow" with the resignation of the nation's top corruption fighter. The former watchdog, Judge Radhi Al Radhi, tells NBC News that Iraq's current government, headed by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, is riddled with so much corruption that the U.S. must stop supporting it. Rahdi is now in the United States, and his departure from the Iraqi government comes just as the U.S. prepares for a key report from Gen. David Petraeus about the military "surge" in Iraq.

Until last week, Rahdi headed the Iraqi government department responsible for rooting out graft and fraud in Iraq's young government. It is called the Commission on Public Integrity, or CPI. It refers its investigations into corrupt officials to Iraqi courts for prosecution.

But Rahdi recently resigned, and he says that was because of numerous threats on his life by corrupt Iraqi officials. "They have militias," he says, "and they attacked my neighborhood with missiles and these missiles fell very close to my house." If he returns to Iraq under current circumstances he believes he'll be killed.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:59 AM
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30. Iraq names new anti-corruption commission chief

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/09/iraq-names-new-head-of-anti-corruption.php

Iraq names new anti-corruption commission chief
Jaime Jansen at 8:54 AM ET



The Iraqi government named Moussa Faraj as chair of the Commission on Public Integrity (CPI) Thursday. Farag will replace Radhi al-Radhi , who has retired in light of corruption accusations brought by the Iraqi parliament's anti-corruption committee. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has accepted al-Radhi's retirement and temporarily appointed Faraj to the post until Faraj receives approval by parliament. Parliament Speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani objected to al-Radhi's retirement, saying al-Maliki only has the power to remove the head of a government organization, not an independent commission. Faraj had served under al-Radhi as the deputy chairman of the CPI.

The CPI was established in 2004 and has the power to investigate complaints, refer criminal violations to the courts, and propose legislation to address corruption. In April , a US auditor's report found that efforts to combat widespread corruption in Iraq were being hindered by security problems and al-Maliki's reinstatement of a provision of the country's Saddam-era criminal procedure code allowing ministers to block corruption investigations of their own departments. AP has more.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:07 PM
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31. Shays says you should have stayed in Iraq
yea so he could be killed and not have to testify, Chris?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:10 PM
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32. Shays went to the darkside to win his last election. eom
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:20 PM
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33. Tell 'em Braley
shame on you repbublicans
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:32 PM
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35. The Republicans totally shameless, trying to smear this brave man
for telling the truth about how insidious the corruption is. My guess is that they are in on the action. It's sickening.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:23 PM
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34. let me know when they have stopped drying the powder
and are ready and WILLING to use it...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:39 PM
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36. patience radfringe it's been really really wet
though I do agree with you it's taking a very long time, god even Andrew Sullivan has come around you'd think maybe they're not too far behind
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:42 PM
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37. Andrew Sullivan started to come around 3 years ago when he voted for Kerry.
Not a good gauge. I am not hopeful.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:47 PM
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38. I was thinking of this
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:57 PM
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40. Wow! I missed this! nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:03 PM
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41. Waxman is trying to question Ambassador Butler about Iraqi corruption
and Butler said he will not talk about it in public as it is classified information.
Waxman is saying that the American people are losing lives and money and have a right to know in public.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:16 PM
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47. But Butler answered Rep. Issa's questions when he could give glowing reports
So Chairman Waxman asked Butler why he could speak in a public forum about the good things happening in Iraq but not the bad things - the corruption.

Butler responded that that would go to the heart of our relationship with the Iraqi government. To which Waxman replied "That goes to the heart of propaganda!"
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:21 PM
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50. It was a thing of beauty. eom
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:13 PM
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43. Butler starts telling the "good things" that are happening about corruption in Iraq to Issa.
When they are done, Waxman said to Butler..so you can ask questions about the good things but not the bad? Then Waxman said Butler was giving propaganda!
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:14 PM
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44. I was going to post that...he was HOT! what a tool these people are! n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:16 PM
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46. They literally have no shame. Everytime I hear these lackeys I want to take
a long shower.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:15 PM
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45. Is Ms. Rosett there??? have not seen the chicky babe yet?? n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:17 PM
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48. She's coming up next by request of the Repukes. eom
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:20 PM
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49. No corruption in Iraq in regard to US!!!!
:rofl:
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:25 PM
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53. Sort of like 'one for you, two for me...one for you three for me'
Of course the ME money is Iraqi money...er, uh money WE GAVE TO IRAQ...VIOLA...IRAQI MONEY..
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:22 PM
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51. Goodness. Isn't Mr. Butler the very definition of a toady?
Lick. Lick.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:24 PM
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52. Butler read an answer to a question asked by the ranking member
No colluded preparation here. :sarcasm:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:25 PM
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54. Wish I could but out of town and this hotel does not have cspan, so thank you for those reporting
for those of us not able to hear it.....all these hearings and yet still no action it seems to me, but anything at this moment in time is better than nothing at all.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:28 PM
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55. If you can watch video online it's available at the c-span site
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:30 PM
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56. lol! Lynch to Butler..you're working on having the Iraqi govenment to be transparent
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 01:30 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
to the Iraqi people, but you won't be transparent to the American people!!!!!Paraphrasing here.
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