http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1528266/Falcon84 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 10109 posts, RR: 78
Reply 83, posted Mon Feb 12 2007 21:05:08 your local time (8 hours 4 minutes 4 secs ago) and read 165 times:
Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 82):
Looks like someone is VERY anti-Bush eh?
Along with about 75% of the nation, I should remind you.
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted Mon Feb 12 2007 12:48:59 your local time (16 hours 3 minutes 11 secs ago) and read 621 times:
I can only speak for the UK, but rhe consensus is:
He will be remembered here as a true representative of the Redneck part of the USA; who should never ever be allowed out without his straitjacket.
How any Country claiming to be the leader in World democracy could ever elect him is beyond me. Silly me of course I've just remembered you elected Al Gore, who lost on a technicality, the technicality being that it was impossible for him to win in Florida with Jeb in charge there.
The only UK citizen who seems to believe that Dubya is a great statesman is his poodle Tony Bliar.
I realise that the USA is meant to be the land of opportunity where anyone with talent can make it; therefore why was it that the winner was the idiot son of the previous Republican president ?
Not all the world wants to live life in accordance with US laws and customs. The sooner this is accepted and understood the better. When each sovereign country stops meddling in the affairs of others peace will surely break out.
With regard to Iran, personally I find their regime undemocratic and lacking in basic human rights. However I am old enough to remember the revolution in the late 70's when the people of Iran rejected an American leaning Shah renounced Western ways and headed back to the dark ages. It was their choice let them live with it.
Just make it clear that their jurisdiction ends at their borders, just as the USA's ends at theirs.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 12008 posts, RR: 49
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
However, one could certainly argue that leaders need to have strong convictions, and I believe that the President will be remembered for his.
Even more important than having strong convictions is being actually right about a thing or two!
Hitler certainly had strong convictions. But only very few people think the world was the better for it!
People don't get voted for wanting a better world, they're voted into office for actually having a clue about how to get there!
And Bush is the walking and talking embodiment of the discrepancy between the two.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 3618 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted Mon Feb 12 2007 12:52:44 your local time (15 hours 59 minutes 26 secs ago) and read 614 times:
I will remember him as an imbecile who never wanted to give diplomacy a chance and only deferred his invasion of Iraq because he hoped to find a few more political allies, even if they were entirely incapable of sending troops. He is the one who propelled "my way or the highway" to the stage of international affairs, who represented everything people dislike about American isolationism and who aimed to make a mockery of everything involving an amount of talking.
He pushed for an invasion that, as his opponents never tired of predicting, got the troops in Iraq into the worst FUBAR since Vietnam, racked up more support for "Muslim" fundamentalists than their "leaders" could ever have hoped for and destabilised a region whose functionality is vital for the economies of the world. He made the biggest present ever to Iran's theocrats by removing their secular terrorist competitor for power in the region, he protects the most corrupt regime in the region (Saudi Arabia) that directly finances fundamentalists so as not to be overthrown by them and he is completely ignorant to the fact that more troops, more money and more nations involved in that mess of his very own creation will not be able to solve the problem as long as "democracy" is imposed on Iraq from above, rather than built up from the foundations.
He turns a blind eye towards North Koreas borderline (?) insane dictator, he is incapable of putting the right people in charge of finally cleaning up after hurricane Katrina, he blackmailed his closest allies with "either with us or against us" rhetoric and he kept supporting a SecDef who directly compared two of them to autocratically-governed thrid-world nations. In other terms, he keeps painting the world black and white even though it never stops showing him all of its colours.
George Bush's presidency is a complete and utter disaster and will bite all of us in the future. As soon as the record-breaking debt he so happily got his nation into starts to be paid back and as soon as the Chinese decide to slow down the acquisition of US dollars, lots of people will feel first-hand how "stable" Bush's economy really has been.
However, I have some hope that the millions who adore, cherish and deify him (that does not mean everyone who voted for him) will realise the world isn't as simple as he made it out to be once they can't afford the paint for their "President Bush, you are my hero!" signs anymore.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 3680 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted Mon Feb 12 2007 13:08:57 your local time (15 hours 43 minutes 13 secs ago) and read 574 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 11):
I think that the President has done well in fighting the war against terrorism, and has protected this country from further attacks on the scale of 9/11.
He's done the exact opposite: anti-Americanism, the main breeding ground for terrorism against the US, is bigger now than it ever was, and that is 100% the fault of Bush and his administration. He's created far more terrorists than he's destroyed.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 7559 posts, RR: 13
Reply 86, posted Tue Feb 13 2007 13:26:44 your local time (7 hours 32 minutes 56 secs ago) and read 148 times:
I in my post above have made a clear distinction between the USA internally and the world overall. When I see that so many US-Americans regard Ronald Reagan (a great orator) as either a good/great president or even "one of the greatest" I am quite sure that many US-Americans will regard GWB as "one of the best". While I think he was among the worst.
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