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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:29 PM
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Moyers Journal: Lieberman compares John Hagee to Moses..."leader of mighty multitude"
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 12:56 PM by madfloridian
If you were able to watch Bill Moyers Journal last night all the way through, you would have glimpsed the Democrats' very own Joe Lieberman playing a prominent role with this group.

Of describing Pastor Hagee in the words that the Torah uses to describe Moses, he is an "Ish Elokim," a man of God and those words really do fit him; and, I'd add something else, like Moses he's become the leader of a mighty multitude, even greater than the multitude that Moses led from Egypt to the promised land.


If you missed it, here is the bottom line. CUFI wants the United States to attack Iran. They make no secret about it. They are quite open about it. Lieberman was one of the speakers to that group.

Transcript from Bill Moyers' Journal October 5th.

JOHN HAGEE: Iran is a clear and present danger to the survival of Israel. To the United States of America and the western the world-- western world. Therefore it is time for America to embrace the words of Senator Joseph Lieberman and consider a military preemptive strike against Iran to prevent a nuclear holocaust in Israel and a nuclear attack in America.

BILL MOYERS: On that, participants at the CUFI summit seem to agree: the times call for urgent action - even military action. Some of them believe war - and rumors of war - are part of God's plan.


It was indeed a scary show. First my hubby said to turn the station, that the week had been stressful enough. I said no, I want to watch it. He became fascinated, but disgusted.

I don't even feel comfortable with putting some of the transcript here. Here is the video from the show.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10052007/watch2.html

Then I happened on this article about John Hagee heading to Canada. Apparently this movement is well-organized there as well.

Canada and the theo-cons

Outside the low-rise office building that houses Canada Christian College, security was tight. Yellow police tape blocked the driveway, and plainclothes rcmp officers eyed the crowd for threats to two visitors inside: Canada’s ambassador to Israel, Alan Baker, and Major General Aharon Zeevi Farkash, chief of Israel’s military intelligence. Still, neither was the night’s main draw. Taking their seats on the stage of the college’s ground-floor auditorium, they were mere warm-up acts for the undisputed star of the show: Reverend John Hagee, the Texas televangelist who packs eighteen thousand born-again Christians into his Cornerstone Church in San Antonio every Sunday and whose fire-and-brimstone broadcasts reach an estimated ninety-three million homes around the globe.


It is a chilling article from Canada. You need to read all of it.

Hagee is one of the leaders who meets with Bush to discuss radical Islam.

Bush is using religious right leaders to push the danger of Islam, Iran.

"I was invited to go to Washington, D.C., and meet with President Bush in the White House, along with 12 or 13 other leaders of the pro-family movement, and the topic of the discussion that day was Iraq, Iran and international terrorism," Dobson said. "We were together for 90 minutes, and it was very enlightening and in some ways very disturbing, too. In a roundabout way, that led to today."

Dobson described the president as "upbeat" and not beaten down by political battles, as well as "determined and convinced that his mission is to protect this great nation from those who have threatened us, and to let history be his judge for the way he has dealt with the crisis in the Middle East."


The president calls the leaders of the religious right, and they spread the word about the dangers of Islam. Not a good foreign policy.


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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:34 PM
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1. I've got it on right now
I Tivo'd it last night.

Leiberman hasn't shown up yet. I've known about Hagee for a long time, but wow, he's nuts thinking he's some kind of religious foreign policy expert. :crazy:
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:55 PM
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5. No, I'm spartacus. LOL
Modern day Moses? What has Holy Joe begun smoking.



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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:36 PM
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2. Hagee is on the board of regents
that will investigate the simmering scandals at Oral Roberts U. That miserable fuckwad just might get himself an unearned windfall like Falwell did when he took over the Bakker's ministries. In other words, the tentacled monster could get bigger at a moment when he most needs squashing. He is one scary MFer.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:40 PM
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4. Oh joy,
:eyes:

Reminds me, who's running Falwell's empire now?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:38 PM
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3. PUKE!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 12:58 PM
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6. Holy shit!
Lieberman really is the nightmare gift that never stops giving.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:00 PM
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7. These people are insane
fucking insane and they want us all to die to fulfill their crazy-assed messianic theology.

Everyone needs to watch this.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:24 PM
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9. This is about the RW fundamentalists...
(of all religions) against all the rest of us.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:05 PM
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8. These people are ridiculous
But their messianc zeal s truly frightening.

Great show by Moyers.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:29 PM
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10. lieberman has more screws loose than i thought
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:36 PM
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11. Before touching the button for Hillary,
don't forget the Clintons endorsed crazy Joe rather than the Dem candidate in '06. If they did't care to support a Dem candidate then, why should we support her in '08?
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:46 PM
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12. Good point.nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:08 PM
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33. Sounds like another deal breaker..
If anyone supports lieman then they are for all out holy fucking war and I don't care about the "loyalty" shit.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:48 PM
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13. Here's the full transcript with Rabbi Lerner and Dr. Timothy Weber
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:53 PM
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14. I was impressed too
I love Moyers. That website is great as well. I subscribed to his podcasts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:42 PM
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20. Two statements by those guys summed up a lot.
From the full transcript:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10052007/transcript5.html

"DR. TIMOTHY WEBER: Dispensationalism is a particular way of reading Bible prophecy which divides the Bible into two stories. There's a story about God's earthly people, Israel. And then a story about God's heavenly people, the Church. And the basic premise of dispensationalism is that all Bible prophecies concerning earthly events applies to the Jews. And all of those events will be-- fulfilled literally in the End Times. So-- Israel must be returned to the land. They must stay in the land. Without Israel in the land, there can be none of the other events prophesied in the Bible. There can be no rise of Anti-Christ. There can be no rebuilding of the Temple. There can be no-- Battle of Armageddon. And there can be no second coming of Jesus Christ. So everything is riding on the Jews, getting them there and keeping them there in the Holy Land.

RABBI MICHAEL LERNER: But I think-- but what you have to add in there is that when this is a step in the process that they see towards the end of end times in which the Jews will be cast down into eternal damnation and-- and-- to the fires of hell. And only those Jews who convert to Christianity will be okay. And everyone -- all the rest of us so they're welcoming us now-- with open arms and saying, "Oh, we love the Jewish people" But they love the Jewish people literally to death because they want-- they wanna see those of us who stay Jews burn in hell but not-- not right away. They don't imagine it will happen right away. So there's a staged process. And this is the first stage in the process that will eventually lead either to us converting totally to Christianity or burning in hell. So it's not a really great future for the Jews that-- that those theological people have in mind.

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:27 PM
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15. Hagee is nuttier than a fruitcake...
and Lieberman is nuts too, wanting to have anything to do with him.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:48 PM
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30. But better paid than either Moses or most fruitcakes: in 2001 he pulled down $1.25 million
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:30 PM
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16. Ick
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:35 PM
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17. FUGGIN NUTS!
Lie-berman is a blasphemous wacko! And Hagee is WORSE!! Just picture that disgusting man standing up at the pulpit, and after saying, the church of Islam must be destroyed, saying ---


"And could someone get me TWO whole turkeys, smuuuthered in GRA-VEYYY!"


He makes me ill. He is a false man. A "christofascist-extraordinaire" if you will!



The slimeball has made over 10 MILLION DOLLARS (documented) over the past decade!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:36 PM
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18. from my journal
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:37 PM
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19. I agree with Hagee
If we attack Iran, there is a distinct chance that it will bring on (what feels like) Armageddon to the United States.

But not in the way he envisions it.

If things get out of control, Iran will target and most likely destroy the 6 to 8 oil facilities in the Middles East that represents nearly 50% of the worlds oil export market.

As the worlds largest oil importer by a factor of nearly 3, and with a shaky economy dependent on foreign countries loaning us back the dollars we spend overseas, the Great Depression will look like high times.

And no, Mr. Hagee, Russia and China will not become militarily involved as you hope. Their plan, along with India's, is to pick off everything they can once our economy collapses.

All an attack on Iran will accomplish in the end is the destruction of Iran, the United States economy and severe damage to the Japanese, Korean and Western European economies.

Russia, China and India will emerge as our equals. The United States will the 'sole superpower' no more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1910376#1912170
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:00 PM
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21. Video of CUFI...Tom DeLay looks forward to the rapture.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K30_Zz7tHYs

The video is by The Nation's Max Blumenthal...relates very much to the Moyers segment last night.

Max Blumenthal....

"On July 16, I attended Christians United for Israel's annual Washington-Israel Summit. Founded by San Antonio-based megachurch pastor John Hagee, CUFI has added the grassroots muscle of the Christian right to the already potent Israel lobby. Hagee and his minions have forged close ties with the Bush White House and members of Congress from Sen. Joseph Lieberman to Sen. John McCain. In its call for a unilateral military attack on Iran and the expansion of Israeli territory, CUFI has found unwavering encouragement from traditional pro-Israel groups like AIPAC and elements of the Israeli government.

But CUFI has an ulterior agenda: its support for Israel derives from the belief of Hagee and his flock that Jesus will return to Jerusalem after the battle of Armageddon and cleanse the earth of evil. In the end, all the non-believers - Jews, Muslims, Hindus, mainline Christians, etc. - must convert or suffer the torture of eternal damnation. Over a dozen CUFI members eagerly revealed to me their excitement at the prospect of Armageddon occurring tomorrow. Among the rapture ready was Republican Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. None of this seemed to matter to Lieberman, who delivered a long sermon hailing Hagee as nothing less than a modern-day Moses. Lieberman went on to describe Hagee's flock as "even greater than the multitude Moses led out of Egypt."

Throughout CUFI's Israel Summit, videographer Thomas Shomaker and I were hounded by PR agents seeking to prevent us from interviewing attendees about the End Times. The conference, we were told, was about "one message" - evangelical Christians supporting Israel. We were instructed to only interview CUFI leaders capable of sticking to the talking point that their support for Israel has, as Hagee declared, "nothing to do with the End Times." But I was forbidden from asking Hagee about statements he made in his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," that appeared to blame Jews for their own persecution. After doing just that during a press conference, I was removed from the conference by off-duty DC cops summoned by members of Hagee's family.

I have covered the Christian right intensely for over four years. During this time, I attended dozens of Christian right conferences, regularly monitored movement publications and radio shows, and interviewed scores of its key leaders. I have never witnessed any spectacle as politically extreme, outrageous, or bizarre as the one Christians United for Israel produced last week in Washington. See for yourself."

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:03 PM
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22. Lieberman about 5:25 into the video.
The remarks above. Scary.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:40 PM
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26. Lieberman freaked me out...
I knew he was slightly deranged, but I never knew just HOW deranged. It made me sick the way these politicians were kissing Hagee's ass like he is somehow legitimate. He sounds Hitler-like to me, complete with the adoring followers. Substitute Islamist for "Juden" and it's all the same.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:51 AM
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27. Joe did sound pretty bad.
It was sort of a shock, though I should not have been surprised.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:01 PM
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23. That was a profoundly disturbing show. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:00 PM
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25. It really was. I almost did not watch, but glad I did.
I think a lot of people in America got a first glimpse at that group, and I think it was disturbing to them as well.

Churches are dividing now over these extreme positions. The extreme groups are still better organized but the more common sense groups are emerging.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:04 PM
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24. I'd like to compare John Hagee to David Koresh.
Both religious maniacs who wanted war...

:grr:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:27 AM
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28. I read part of the transcript but missed the program.
I'm still on dial-up and have an old video card so I'm not going to try to watch it online. Does anyone know if Washington Journal repeats during the week?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:09 PM
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36. (self-delete; posted in wrong place).
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 01:10 PM by LeftishBrit
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 07:07 AM
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29. Moses would have brained Lieberman with a stone tablet.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:06 PM
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32. I like that prediction and I
am going to tell my Jewish friend, who has a son, in Iraq the next time I see her!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:36 PM
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34. Glad you liked it.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:11 PM
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37. He would certainly have given him a piece of his mind about some of the commandments
Notably Murder, and Bearing False Witness.

And have pointed out in addition, that though he did get advice from a bush, it was a completely different sort of bush. Lieberman is evidently confused on this point!

And I hope he would then find some time to give Tony a similar piece of his mind, and a little warning to Gordon.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:04 PM
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31. A woman who came into
our co-op on Saturday saw that Bill Moyer Journal. She lives in New York City but has a get-away place in our town..she also has a son who is a Lt in the Air Force and he is suppose to come home from Iraq in 5 weeks unless the bushits bomb Iran like they want to.

In telling me about it she said she didn't realize that the religious zealots think that Iran is standing in the way of the predictions in the bible concerning the "holy land". I'm afraid I don't really understand that part, but she'd like to knock lieman's lights out and she's Jewish.

She was wearing a TDS tee shirt, too..she's so cute and I want her son to come home alive.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:42 PM
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35. That Hagee dude is a Clear and Present Danger to all HUMANITY
SOMEONE...please get him off the stage....

And the SHEEPLE lap it up like evil nectar.....OMG....what have we come to?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:21 PM
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38. Newt and Joe
Maybe they can run together as the 'Party of the Lamb' next year. Make their platform - if we win Iran gets a few new holy holes in the ground.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:25 PM
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39. Rapture Ready: The Christians United For Israel Tour VIDEO
Rapture Ready: The Christians United For Israel Tour VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30_Zz7tHYs
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:27 PM
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40. Hagee will last a very long time
when he's skewered and twirling on Hell's Eternal Rotisserie. he evidently has not gotten the news that Gluttony is on the list of seven deadly sins.
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