Map of Candidates on the Political Compass

[Macchendra]

What are your political compass scores?



Source: http://www.politicalcompass.org

Peace!

[ShortnFiery]

1. John Edwards is the most viable candidate who shares my political value system.

What say the rest of you? :shrug:

[Colorado Progressive]

3. I love Edwards, but your avatar is my man nt

[ShortnFiery]

6. Oh I agree, but we have no free press to promote this good man.

His chances of winning the nomination, sadly are small to nil. :(

But I concur, Dennis Kucinich is the most forthright and honorable among the entire group of Presidential Candidates. In a FAIR race with a press who's not beholden to The Military Industrial Complex, Dennis Kucinich would have a fighting chance of becoming our next president.

But the world is cold, hard, and cruel ... anything but fair. :( That's why many of us believe that we glean true and fair reward (closeness to all in Christ) ONLY AFTER we are judged by Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates. :shrug: ;)

[Colorado Progressive]

12. I know. I'm not christian but I do think we are judged when we die.

Which is why I am convinced that none of these neocons could really be religious or spiritual at all. Doesn't Bush seriously have to wonder where his ass will be sent?

[ShortnFiery]

21. IMO, So true!

My father was not religious AT ALL - but he demonstrated such kindness and service to others, that I know his soul will rest in peace. As he approached the end of his life, he would tell mom, "Our Catholic daughter told me that she believes I'll go to Heaven, perhaps I will?" Too funny? Dad believed that I had an inside scoop. :blush:

However, we all know those specific people who we FEAR (figurative analogy) Saint Peter will press "The Down Button" before the doors fully open at the Pearly Gates. :shrug:

[Colorado Progressive]

31. How amusing! My Catholic friend says she talked to her "people"

and got me "in". LOL Actually most Catholics I know are lefties.

[Yael]

23. I am right behind you

:hi:

[Quixote1818]

2. Well, that's disturbing.

I am completely catty corner to almost everyone and much more libertarian and to the left of even Kucinich.

[lostnotforgotten]

4. The Lack Of Daylight Between Republicans And Democrats Is Troubling

Validates Ralph Nader's assertions and those of his followers.

[MH1]

16. It doesn't validate anything, it's B.S.

read downthread a little, please.

[lostnotforgotten]

17. Your Opinion Only - Validates My View Of The Candidates

Kucinich Voter Here!

[MH1]

19. My opinion has links to back up the assertions, this chart does not.

But it is fair for you to say that the chart agrees with your perceptions of the candidates.

[Quixote1818]

20. What he is saying is the Kucinich is actually much further to the left and down

I took that test and find it hard to believe it puts Kucinich almost as a centrist?? No way! All the Democratic candidates are likely in the lower left part of the graph and Kucinich and Gravel are likely about where I am on the chart.

[AX10]

5. This "test" says that I am a "centerist libertarian"

Economic Left/Right: -0.95
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.03

It's more like a subjective survey though. Some questions did not have the best answer that fits my profile.

[Macchendra]

56. me too

it puts me at about -8 libertarian and center

[Sparkly]

7. Who filled in the candidates' answers

and what sources did they use?

[Quixote1818]

11. Here is the answer they give on the site. Not a very good answer in my opinion

In response to many requests, not only from Americans, The Political Compass™ has charted the most prominent names in the 2007 US Primaries. They have been evaluated through scrutiny of public statements, manifestos, interviews and, crucially, voting records. Our apologies for those not included.

It is important to recognise that The Political Compass™ is a continuum rather than consisting of hard and fast quadrants. For example, Ron Paul on the social scale is actually closer to Dennis Kucinich than to many figures within his own party. But on the economic scale, they are, of course, far apart.

When examining the chart it is important to note that although most of the candidates seem quite different, in substance they occupy a relatively restricted area within the universal political spectrum. Democracies with a system of proportional representation give expression to a wider range of political views. While Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are depicted on the extreme left in an American context, they would simply be mainstream social democrats within the wider political landscape of Europe. Similarly, Hillary Clinton is popularly perceived as a leftist in the United States while in any other western democracy her record is that of a moderate conservative.

Link: http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2007

[MH1]

14. That seems reliable and completely transparent, to me. (NOT).

People should refer to OnTheIssues (ontheissues.org) or Project Vote-Smart, for candidates actual records. This chart looks like it wants to play on people fears of not being "left" enough.

[MH1]

13. Funny, I can't seem to find that info on the site.

And I wonder why this seems to get posted here at DU every day or two?

Hmm.

[AX10]

59. Valid question.

[pscot]

8. This chart is completely bogus

The whole scale is shifted so far toward the authoritarian right that Trotsky and Che Guevara could barely qualify as leftists.

[Quixote1818]

10. I agree

Almost everyone I know who has taken that test has come out in the lower left corner and many of them are Republicans. You would have to be a NUT to end up over in that quadrant.

[GOPBasher]

28. I agree. Even Kucinich is barely left on this chart. Bullshit. n/t

[Quixote1818]

9. I don't believe this graphic

Some of my Republican friends (who I knew were more liberal then they knew) took this test and ended up about where Gandhi is.

They put this together by assumptions and not from the candidates actually taking the test. I think they completely missed the mark.

[MH1]

15. Seems like disinformation to me.

And it's interesting, how often it gets posted at DU, isn't it?

[Breeze54]

18. I'm wondering about how they arrived at those conclusions. This graph is different.

Because if you go here, which is NOT a libertarian quiz, as yours is, the graphs look different.

VoteMatch Quiz

http://www.speakout.com/VoteMatch/senate2006.asp?quiz=2008

Dennis Kucinich (still wins on this one too - for me!)
Democratic Representative (OH-10)
Total 78%
Social 81%
Economic 75%


Dennis Kucinich is a Hard-Core Liberal.

http://ontheissues.org/Dennis_Kucinich_VoteMatch.htm

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Hillary Clinton on VoteMatch
Hillary Clinton

Total 60%
Social 75%
Economic 50%


http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton_VoteMatch.htm


Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.

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The graphs here are different from the OP's.

[Quixote1818]

22. That graph make a lot more sense. nt

[Breeze54]

25. I think so too, look at Giuliani's graph.

Rudy Giuliani on VoteMatch Quiz

My results:

Rudy Giuliani
Former Mayor of New York City; Republican Candidate for 2000 Senate (NY)

Total 23%
Social 38%
Economic 13%


http://www.ontheissues.org/Rudy_Giuliani_VoteMatch.htm


Rudy Giuliani is a Moderate Libertarian Conservative.

[Quixote1818]

27. Thats right on the money for Giuliani. nt

[Quixote1818]

29. It pegs Ron Paul too.

[Quixote1818]

33. Interesting, it puts Gore to the right of most Democrats

[ShortnFiery]

24. "Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal."

:wow: If HRC is truly, in fact, *A Hard-Core Liberal," she sure has *strange ways* of demonstrating such LIBERAL values with regard to her voting history and her campaign speeches. :shrug:

IMO HRC is "A Hard-Core Politician." :(

[Breeze54]

30. But if you compare her to DK, he's

hanging off the left edge of the graph and she's in the middle of liberal, moving towards the moderate. :P

The Vote Smart website has her votes but it's not current.

And she's just now, getting around to taking the 2008 NPAT and they haven't posted the results yet.
She refused to take the NPAT in 2006, so anything there about her is very old data.

http://www.vote-smart.org/npat_about.php">What is the National Political Awareness Test?

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY)

http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=55463

Current Office: U.S. Senate
Current District: Junior Seat
Office Seeking: President (Announced, General)
First Elected: 2000
Last Elected: 11/07/2006
Next Election: 2012
Party: Democrat

Biographical
Issue Positions(NPAT)
Campaign Finances
Interest Group Ratings
Voting Record
Additional Biographical Information
Speeches and Public Statements

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is currently being tested through the 2008 Political Courage Test.

Deadline for returning the National Political Awareness Test is 10/31/2007

Her voting record:
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463
Pick a category.

[Maribelle]

32. Perhaps if you look at the data contained in the link the poster gave you your fog would lift.

Her voting history is there, pertinent statements are there, with all the reasons she scored the way she did.

Too bad you Hillary bashers could never ever produce even 1/1000 of these type of relevant facts to back up your outrageous bashing of this fine woman.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton_VoteMatch.htm

[Breeze54]

34. Your NASTY remark is uncalled for!! Nobody attacked Hillary!!

Get a grip!! :grr:

[TahitiNut]

38. I think it must be something genetic.

:rofl:

[Maribelle]

40. Nasty?

The grip to get could be yours. The post I responded to bashed Hillary with a clean swipe.

[Breeze54]

41. I disagree, it was an OPINION! The poster is entitled to his/her opinion.

That doesn't mean you have to like it and it also doesn't mean they're bashing her.

Again, Get a grip!

[Maribelle]

44. And I am entitled to mine.

Get it yet?

[Breeze54]

45. And you're NOT entitled to call everyone that disagree's with HRC, A "Hillary Hater"!!

That is the problem (you) and you're exacerbating it with your juvenile name calling.

If you're any indication of the kind of people that do support HRC then, she should be ashamed.

As should you.

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[Quixote1818]

47. I don't think it was that nasty.

Suggesting someone has "fog" in their brain is just suggesting they open their mind.

[Breeze54]

51. Read the rest of it.

"Hillary Hater", "Hillary Basher", basher, bash, bash, bash. :eyes:

If you disagree with anything HRC says, you are a HB'er!!! :rofl:

In my opinion, it's inflamatory.

[Quixote1818]

52. I did

I got the impression the original post was hostile toward Hillary too. The use of little faces like this :wow: are demeaning. I got the impression the person "hated" Hillary, though I could be wrong.

Note: I am not a Hillary supporter. She is down the list for me.

On Edit: I see your point too.

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[Quixote1818]

55. I think the Hillary people are just use to getting attacked at every turn

Maybe try to put yourself in their shoes and see how it feels to be attacked by fellow DUer's constantly, and often with facts that don't add up as the poster pointed out.

[Breeze54]

57. I'm not keeping score

but I see a lot of them attacking others all the time.

[TahitiNut]

36. The VoteMatch 'metric' depends heavily on divisive domestic 'issues' and hybrid legislation.

I was initially somewhat favorable to the VoteMatch site a wile back, but as I've looked at it repeatedly over time and examined how some legislation is simplistically represented (with an emphasis on partisan bias in NGO assessments) and employed to amplify artificial distinctions, I'm less than respectful of the 'conclusions.'

Far, far too much of the position one takes on legislation is impacted by the competing measures and on the "poison pills" embedded in the legislation due to the hybrid nature of ALL legislation that I'm not at all confident that the basic political ideology of the candidate is well-represented.

[Breeze54]

39. The quiz seems to cover a lot of topics though, not just 'domestic'.

http://www.speakout.com/VoteMatch/senate2006.asp?quiz=2008

Subjects covered:

Individual rights

Abortion is a woman's right
Require companies to hire more women & minorities
Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws
Teach family values in public schools

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Domestic Issues

Death penalty
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
Absolute right to gun ownership
More federal funding for health coverage
Privatize Social Security
Parents choose schools via vouchers
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
Allow churches to provide welfare services

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Economic Issues

Decrease overall taxation of the wealthy
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
Support & expand free trade


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Defense / International Issues

More spending on armed forces
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
Replace US troops with UN in Iraq

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Do you mean because they ask more questions under domestic?

[TahitiNut]

54. For me to describe the differences (and similarities) of the two graphing methods ...

... would take far more than I have time for right now. I've played with these two perspectives for several years now and I understand how the 'VoteMatch' (VM) approach (which is an adoption and expansion of the simplistic Libertarian 'small quiz' push-test) distorts the more global Western nations worldview presented in the Political Compass (PC).

There's a magnification and distortion inherent in the VM mapping that fails to normalize the American "Colonial Captalist" worldview that infuses our thinking no matter how resistant we are.

[Colorado Progressive]

48. And oddly according to this quiz my #2 pick is Hillary (after Kucinich)

How strange.

[Breeze54]

50. lol! -- Gravel was my 2nd on this quiz!

I like his spunk but not all of his positions, much like HRC.
We agree on a lot but not on 4 or 5 issues.

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[TahitiNut]

37. It's not surprising for members of the Hillary Fan Club to fling some feces ...

... at the Poltical Compass. It's far more convenient to adopt a myopic world view based on the popular representation of talking points and partisan postures on various legislative acts. For some, it's meaningless to embed a representation of U.S. political figures in a 'western' global view of politics that includes other countries.

[Quixote1818]

42. Accept Hillary is farther away from the Republicans than most of the Dem candidates

on that chart. I am no Hillary fan but she comes out less Authoritarian then almost all the Democrats.

To be quite frank, that chart is crap.

[Maribelle]

43. Wrong is wrong, sugar,regardless of how hard you try to spin it. The thing lies about all candidates

Other posts in this thread have PPOVEN it to be a lie.

[Bucky]

35. a different one (or two)

[UTUSN]

58. Wow!!1 I'm close to GANDHI (& KUCINICH/GRAVEL), but will vote for CLINTON/OBAMA/EDWARDS n/t