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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:04 PM Original message |
"Penn, Schoen and Berland has played pioneering role in the use of..exit polls to facilitate coups." |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Ohh, now this is really disturbing... |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Hillary backers will be here soon to tell us this is an non-issue...I'm |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. That's how I am reading some of her backers |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
40. blind, foolish loyalty. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I agree - this is really disturbing - and the Venezuelan pretend poll was just that - so |
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Mnpaul (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
60. Funded by USAID |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
50. I certainly would get a lot more done if I were politically ignorant. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
92. nevermind |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. And there you have it |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Really? Not? |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. rec 2 - get this to Keith Olbermann |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Are all these huge Clinton-lead poll numbers even real? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The 30+ lead from the ABC/Post poll is likely an "outlier" - but the 15% lead seems real. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. If they can get you to believe Hillary has a huge lead... |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 07:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Funny that |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I'm reading H.G. Wells' Outline of History.... |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Sounds interesting |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I joined Audible and the got the audiobooks in my intro offer... |
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Sam Ervin jret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. Most "christians" don't know shit about Jesus. Find the books the powers didn't want read. |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
76. Thanks for the info about Well book. I must read it. n/t |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Bingo. n/t |
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stlsaxman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
71. just last night i mentioned the "30% ABC poll" at a table of 12 and everyone groaned out loud... |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Ha! That was my first thought |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Do you remember the post from the person who was polled, and Kucinich wasn't an option? |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Oh, I remember, and while it is anecdotal evidence, I tend to believe this. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Just kickin' Just recommendin' n/t |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
32. Have yet to meet any person who would vote for her in a primary |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. I have to wornder as well. |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. I don't know anyone who wants Hillary. How can the polls show such a large lead? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I've wondered this myself. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
37. will gladly do, although KO seemed kind of gushy over Bill Clinton. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. just because one is gushy over Bill, does NOT automatically force them to |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
51. Very Very Good Idea!!! n/t |
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. Great info |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. Schoen is working for Rassmuessen. They are messing with things. |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. Yes - we've known that for awhile |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. K&R |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R. nt |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
17. Recommended. Pollsters get far too little oversight. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. People, this has been going on since long before 2000. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Obviously, the right-wing could not defeat liberalism in any honest ways . . .. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. And, now Penn is using Hillary to move the agenda along . . . . !!!! |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Authoritarians can NEVER defeat liberalism by honest means |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. That Book is amazing! |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
81. years ago.... |
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The Count (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
23. So, by 200 Florida they had perfected this to an art...In 2002 they just discarded exit polls |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
26. I needed two SoCos with lime after reading this..... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
27. And Edwards broke the story on this, right . ... not the MSM . . . ???? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Yes, and supposed progressives here assail him for "smearing" Clinton. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-06-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Wow!!! How Republican of them -- !!!!! |
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Terri S (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
72. Edwards isn't smearing Clinton |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Well yes, exactly what I mean. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:55 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I don't know that you could say that. It's complicated. |
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cachukis (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Leftist , Might I say, "Refutation and or corroboration." |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
63. I'm supporting John Edwards! |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
34. Such lovely company she keeps. recommended. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
35. Oooh where's febble and otoh commentary? bookmarked! Thanks for posting! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. you rang? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Right here. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
79. I usually allow you experts to quibble over exit polls, but my gut feeling is |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Nah, not magic |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:11 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. "you can defend your exit polls" |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
36. Great find, bluebear. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
44. how many people think Milosevic won in 2000? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
78. Has PSB worked in Australia? None of my daughters' pals down under |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. no idea, but apparently all polls showed a fairly close race |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Um, the polls ARE the questionable element |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. which clowns? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. AH, PSB, the subject of the OP |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. OK, but... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Guess you didn't read the OP and associated links exposing the use of polls abroad |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. maybe you need to reread the thread |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
47. Oh isn't this something. This guy is a total dirtbag! |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
49. hmmm ... so who else is in Hillary's stable of manipulators? |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Don't forget Carville sandbagging Kerry on election night. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. And Carville writing the judge asking leniency for Scooter Libby. |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. and Hillary bashing Kerry for his joke gaffe a week prior to the 2006 election |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. That was because HRC's campaign NEEDED the Dems to lose in '06 |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
52. I'm sure these pigs are also masters of the "push-poll" |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Hillary has been push polling against Edwards since early summer |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. I'm not surprised |
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T.Ruth2power (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
56. No surprises here |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
59. K&R. (nt) |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
61. Awesome Bluebear! n/t |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
62. Mark Penn is sooooo dirty - but the Clintons are determined to stay on his Team! |
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dickbearton (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
67. K&R. |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I will resist the clinton Zombie machine |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
68. Weird how the OP doesn't mention Hillary and the entire discussion is about her... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. It's not weird, anybody here this week knows Penn is her TOP strategist. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
73. It's alright Hillary the polls aren't that bad after all... |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
74. "At the beginning of 2006, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:52 AM Response to Reply #74 |
87. Election coups |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. ... and if they don't... well, the poll data will just be amended to match the |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. It must be legal, for no one complains. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. 'Cep in this case, the kid can bellow his heart out, and still no-one in |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
75. Remember the close election in Mexico? LINK: |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
84. Kick |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
88. A conversation between Hillary and Penn: |
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T.Ruth2power (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Funny |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I knew someone would see the humor. |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
100. Hey Bluebear |
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