Why is Ed Schultz on a rant against Air America?

[MnFats]

he is dissing AA bigtime right now. furious about something....help me out here...

[myrna minx]

1. It's what he does.

I heard him call Randi a slut on the air. :eyes:

[Ian David]

17. Randi's not a slut.

Stephanie Miller is a slut.

And she'll tell you so herself.

[myrna minx]

25. I was stunned when he said that about Randi.

But I will give a toast to Momma the super slut. :toast:

[proud patriot]

104. He said what? about Randi?

Did anyone tell her ?

[myrna minx]

119. About 2.5 years ago, he was on a tear about Randi

Rhodes and he called her a slut on the air. It's obvious that those two don't like each other, but calling her a slut was over the line. :grr:

[Bluzmann57]

79. Randi vs. Ed

Randi Rhodes isn't even her real name. She loves metal, apparently, and so took the last name of a dead guitar player. She constantly interrupts callers, even those who agree with her. She sometimes may be based in fact, but twists the facts around to fit her own needs. She seems to be a bit arrogant.
Schultz's name is Ed Schultz, as far as anyone knows. He lets callers finish, even those he disagrees with. He actually does read and state facts. He also can be arrogant I think. I honestly believe that some just can't deal with Ed Schultz because he represents the true values of middle Americans, those of us who belong to Unions and have to work for "the man" in order to make a decent living. Since he espouses a strong military, is pro hunting, likes to (gasp!) watch football, and sounds like limbaugh (lame excuse btw), ultra Liberals cannot handle him. However, most of reality based individuals can.
Now do not sit there and say that I am a freeper, or that I am pro Iraq war, because if you do, all you will accomplish is getting me angry and hell, I may even start to listen to Ed online since we lost our progressive affiliate here. Anyway, both hosts have good points and bad points. Nobody's perfect, not me, not you, not even either one of them. Deal with it.

[kikiek]

80. Well that is obnoxious. Deal with it? Reality based people like him? So those who don't

aren't reality based? What I hear when I listen to Ed is a man who is so full of himself he can hardly stay seated. He doesn't have any insight. He isn't able to verbalize complex issues with any sense that makes me believe he understands them. He sounds like he is much more interested in becoming a big radio personality than putting himself on the line for issues facing and dividing this country right now. What I hear him doing is pandering to the right wing daily. I don't believe him capable of competing with anyone on Air America. Especially Randi Rhodes whose understanding of issues facing this country goes far beyond the skimming of the surface that Ed Schultz is capable of doing. His name calling is proof that he can't compete with her since that only comes about when you have nothing else in your arsenal to attack with. Of course it is very telling that he attacks her at all. He is all yours. The only thing he will prove by attacking other liberal stations is that the competition is too much for such a small mind.

[me b zola]

84. Your post is making my head spin

Is it an issue for you that Randi changed her name? It isn't for Randi because she talks about it and it really is no big deal.

Schultz lets people finish their points? Well yes, if you agree with him or are a puke. If you are an informed Democrat then he cuts you off and goes on a rant.

True values of middle America? Well, the dlc does try to hide behind that facade.

Pro union? Sorry, I've heard Schultz do the occassional corporate smackdown of unions. Right before I quit listening to him he tried to backtrack from some of his anti-union positions, but sorry, he's just a phony and the damage has been done.

"...ultra Liberals cannot handle him. However, most of reality based individuals can." :eyes: :puke: :dunce:

I have no intention of calling you or insinuating that you are a freeper, but since you said, "...if you do, all you will accomplish is getting me angry and hell..." then I think that you should be as angry as the Dems who are angry as hell that the dlc blow-hard Schultz is passing as a progressive.

Deal with that.

[Canuckistanian]

88. Jeez, you dis Randi, then admit Ed does the same thing you dislike

And Randi doesn't espouse a strong military? Since when? And Randi went on for hours about the Superbowl.

What exactly is your point about "Randi vs. Ed"?

[Cleita]

89. I'm one of those liberals. It has something to do with the

bigotry, both racial and sexist that boils under the surface of his commentary and sometimes bubbles up. Randi's got his number and that's why he doesn't like her. She knows what he does is for the money and he could easily follow those dollars to the right. Of course any woman who disagrees with or criticizes a big fatheaded redneck will be called a slut by the very same.

My local AAR affiliate is bringing back Mike Malloy and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they are kicking Big Ed off the air.

[mmonk]

158. Really?

I haven't noticed that about him (racist and sexist) but I only listen to him occasionally (and have never listened to Randi, so I can't judge her). All I know is Big Ed is ticked off with some at AAR. I don't care to get into it as a listener nor want to hear about it (and the only AAR programming I've listened to is Al Franken). I enjoy Stephanie Miller and certainly hope she isn't taken off the air where I live. But the feud between Big Ed and AAR is getting pretty old.

[Name removed]

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[alittlelark]

102. ROTFLMAO!!!

:rofl: :spray:

[Bassic]

156. Dammit!

Too slow to know what you were lauging about. Oh well :)

[myrna minx]

118. So I take it you don't like Randi.

Well, you like Ed, and I'll like Randi,OK? I don't know why you feel the need to insult me on so many levels because I don't like your favorite radio host. Why the need to threaten me? :shrug: He's a radio host. Deal with it. :sarcasm:

[Bluzmann57]

131. I must be missing something here

Where did I threaten you? Oh well, maybe since I'm not a "perfect" Liberal, I'm just too fucking stupid to see it. But you are partially correct, I don't care for Randi's style so much. But I agree with her message.

[myrna minx]

134. I really don't understand your hostility with me.

:shrug: I never called you stupid nor did I call myself a perfect liberal. Really, I just don't get it. You're a fan of schultz and I'm not. So what?

[Bluzmann57]

142. Just frustration

Nothing personal against you, I really don't even know you. But you were the one who stated that I "threatened" you when there is no way I did that. And I have had a lot of arguments with some who just don't seem to get the fact that a guy like me can actually espouse a Liberal point of view. And about the radio hosts. I really wish we had progressive radio of any type on the air like we used to. The station was sold to some guy who graduated from Bob Jones University. That alone should tell you that it isn't progressive anymore. Anyway, peace and keep on listenin' to progressive talk. In a way, it may be good that we are having disagreements about progressive hosts. It means that there are more and more of them and that can't be a bad thing. One last thing, I didn't hear Schultz call Randi a "slut" or whatever, but he should not have done that. It is wrong and cannot be accepted. He should apologize.

[myrna minx]

143. I mis-read you post, that's why I felt

you had threatened me. That's my fault. To clarify, Ed Schultz called Randi a slut about 2.5 years ago, not in his rant this week. I wasn't clear in my post.

Hey, Bluzmann57, we're all in this together. :pals: I believe that you're right that it's a huge leap forward for us to be having disagreements about radio hosts when just three years ago we had none. Peace, my friend. :hi:

ON edit: I want to apologize for accusing you of something that you didn't do.

[LTR]

128. Don't diss her because she uses a 'stage name'

This is more common in radio than you think.

Many people in radio use a fake name. I did when I was in the business. After all, would you want listeners calling you at home?

[Debi]

154. Hey Bluzmann, I don't listen to either but I do know to trust you

What has happened to DU? :shrug:

It's like having an argument about crossing the street on the yellow light...x(

Come back to the Iowa Forum if you need some love, this is nuts! d.

[Bassic]

155. I thought That was a weird coincidence, about her name.

He was Ozzy's first guitarist (post Black Sabbath)

[LaPera]

122. He Jumps on all liberal networks, he shit all over Nova M & is always jumping on AAR...

He wants it all.

[LaPera]

125. !

[Rick Myers]

2. Ed's bidness partners are ex-Clear Channel freaks!

One guy was the reason Pigboy has a show. Ed is a poser!

[POAS]

4. He's a Republic

posing as a convert to the left!

[Richard Steele]

8. I gave him a 5-day "trial listen" once, and that's the conclusion I came to.

[POAS]

9. You must have a great mind

like me!

[Richard Steele]

107. Great mind? You, sir, are clearly unfamiliar with my body of work! (lol)

I do have my good days, though:

[SoFlaJet]

11. That's the feeling I get too

if you weren't really listening to the content you'd think you were listening to Rush-he obviously treid to mimic his voice-I don't really feel he actually BELIEVES what he's saying-it's just a hunch,but anybody who disses my girl Randi is not a friend of mine either way.

[POAS]

15. Randi I can

take or leave but Rush, oops I mean Ed, I just leave!

[Leopolds Ghost]

39. "He's a Republic! I can tell by the sound of his voice!"

"If you don't actually listen to the content, you can hear the coded messages!"

"And all those Black and Hispanic announcers are why I don't listen to Pacifica! They're not targeting PEOPLE LIKE ME!"

[ronnykmarshall]

132. You go!

I'm not a regular listener of Ed's, because I'd rather listen to "the goddess" Randi Rhodes. BUT I think Ed's a good broadcaster and connects with an audience that Randi might not.

Now, as for Ed bashing AAR?? He needs to shut the fuck about that.

[lligrd]

106. I Really Hate The Bickering On Both Sides Of The Isle

I like Ed and Rhandi and Stephanie and Sam and a lot of others. It is really dispiriting when they degrade one another. I didn't like it when Rhandi talked about Ed and said so. But Ed really went off today for an entire hour and I never even knew what he was so upset about. Something about markets, I gather. I found it embarrassing and even rolled up my car window so noone else would hear it. It was awful.

[POAS]

3. They must have decided to

give Franken's slot to Hartmann!

[Rick Myers]

5. They did!!! n/t

[madfloridian]

6. AAR affiliates will carry Hartmann...XM will carry Schultz.

Unfortunately. I won't listen to him.

[POAS]

7. Will XM carry him on

167 or another channel?

[madfloridian]

12. 167, Ed's picture is already on the XM AAR page.

I called them, but I doubt it will help.

Others should. 1-800-967-2346

I refuse to listen to him.

[POAS]

21. I don't like it but

fortunately I'll be going back to work soon so I won't be able to listen during the day anyway.

With or without complaints I think Ed will fall on his face in that timeslot anyway. I'm sure when he gets on the air the calls will come hot and heavy, especially from DUers!

[Leopolds Ghost]

40. Uh, you do realize Schultz is carried LIVE on most AAR affiliates.

They bumped Franken long ago.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

13. Per call to XM yesterday they plan on carrying Schultz on 167 in

Franken's old time slot. I was pissed and voiced my pissyness. Maybe if enough people call and complain this decision can be corrected.


XM - 1-800-967-2346 (good thing it is free - be prepared to hold and then talk to someone with limited skills of English as a second language.)

[Pab Sungenis]

35. XM bumping part of the AAR Lineup for Rush Jr.

Should be a violation of their contract with AAR, and end the exclusivity deal. Get on the phone to Sirius!

[kikiek]

98. Your're right it is time for a call to action. Also demand they pick up Mike Malloy! Don't

let them tell us they can't because he is on Sirius! So is Ed Schultz!

[cascadiance]

149. What I don't want is to be stuck with Ed Schultz in the afternoons

on both Sirius and on KLSD! I want one of them to move him to the morning and the other to carry Thom Hartmann in the morning. That way they'll complement each other! I'd prefer that KLSD move him to the morning, so that that way I could pick up Randi Rhodes in the afternoon instead of Ed that we have now there (and on KLSD here). Sirius would then be a question mark if they were to move him to the morning, since they couldn't get Randi at that time. No matter what, progressive talk on XM seems to be a screwed up mess now, which is why I canceled them already!

I would think that KLSD and other affiliates would WANT to complement Sirius. If they tried to do the same with XM, then it would be an "either/or" choice instead of listening some of the time to satellite and some of the time to the local affiliate. They would stand to pick more audience at different times of the day from Sirius listeners who want more choice (ESPECIALLY if Sirius is getting "bumped" by a sports broadcast preemption).

Sirius would be wise to pick up Thom Hartmann full time in the mornings to be the true satellite alternative to Ed (and perhaps on many affiliates) in the mornings. If that were to happen, it would also be really hard for the "exclusive" satellite arrangement XM has with AAR to continue through the next contract renewal.

[kikiek]

151. I listened to a couple mins of his rant today. If XM keeps him they deserve to lose all of their

subscribers. What a jack ass Ed is. He is worse than I even thought. I was unable to tolerate the rant for more than a few mins. I cannot imagine having to listen to that live, talk about traumatic. I would have gone through the roof! I would love to see some real action here on DU. I think we could make the difference.

[cascadiance]

152. I've tolerated him in the afternoons on KLSD lately...

My XM portable hasn't been working well with its FM transmitter (which is another reason I'm dumping them), so I've been stuck with Ed in the afternoons.

I tried to listen to his rant a little yesterday, but had to switch to a music station after a few like you all! It was painful to even try and listen.

[myrna minx]

10. He's a crass bastard.

I sent him an email, correcting his truthiness, after he was railing on Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11 and his reply was so nasty, I then knew that he was a right winged jerk. Oh, and that was around the time he called Randi a slut on the air. He is so unprofessional. I won't listen to him.

[MnFats]

14. I may not be up to speed, but with apologies to Tony Montana...

"I never like that guy."

[myrna minx]

19. Heh. I should send you the reply I received from Janet Robert

when I complained that they were changing the AM950 line up. I pray, for her sake, that it was a reply made by an intern, because it was nearly incomprehensible. I'll PM it to you. :hi:

[Rick Myers]

24. I'd love to read that email!!! n/t

[myrna minx]

26. Sent. n/t

:hi:

[peaches2003]

45. Posted my email from XM

I just posted an email on a separate thread that I received from XM this afternoon about Ed Schultz.

[kikiek]

94. Time for action. E mail XM (I did) and tell them we want Thom also Mike back. If they have the

ability to go against Air America's programming why did they drop Mike Malloy? Or I suppose the real question is why haven't they picked him up?

[orleans]

112. can we have the link? i'd like to see it.

btw--ed schultz has admitted that he used to be a republic. (used to?)

[Captain Hilts]

16. I won't listen to someone with the exact same speech patterns as Limbaugh. nt

[myrna minx]

31. It's eerie, isn't it? n/t

[regnaD kciN]

109. Actually, I kind of like that fact...

Although Schultz is somewhat too "centrist" for me, I like the fact that he sounds enough like a typical right-wing blowhard to make dittoheads comfortable with listening to him -- it will help to dispel the image of progressives as "Northeastern elitist intellectuals" so beloved of the Republican Noise Machine.

The fact is, though, that Schultz is with a different network/syndication company. They may be on the same side of the aisle, but they remain competitors.

As for Randi..ehh. I used to find her entertaining if crass; now, compared to Stephanie Miller and Rachel Maddow, I can barely stand to listen to her rants.

[orleans]

114. stephanie miller drives me insane with all her fast bing, bang, bongs

bells & whistles.

but more than that: isn't it wonderful that we are able to at least...finally....have this discussion as to what liberal talk show host is better than the others?

damn! i remember, only a few years ago, that there was no such thing (at least on my radio)

thank god those days are gone and we get to compare notes on airwaves that finally are speaking our language!

[ronnykmarshall]

133. Yeah! YEAH!

And if someone discovered vaccines for AIDS and cancer and they voted for BUSH ... well they can just take a walk!

[patrice]

20. XM also has Randi, right? But not Thom Hartman? n/t

[The Gunslinger]

65. Except my BS AAR affiliate in Chapel Hill WCHL

They carring "live "Little Eddie now. I just called them and told them I would Be buying a Sirus radio if it happens. I won't support the station.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

150. My pet peeve with WCHL1360

is what happens at 5pm- cuts out of ed and into local news from the front page of the next day's CH Herald. Of course, that's right about the time I'm putting the radio on.

And no, I really don't care about the Molly Maid Joke of the day!

:hi: there from another Chapel Hill dweller!

[blue cat]

78. Hartmann is pure gold.

That man is brilliant. Hardest worker we got. How I wish he was on cable. Sam Seder is really funny and hot. Randi is entertaining but at times annoying, but you gotta love her. Lot's of great talent on the show. The young turks are also great. Ed is OK for filler.

[otohara]

145. Yuck - Won't Ever Listen Again

I rarely tune him in, cuz he's just not that bright.

That was downright hateful.

[itsmesgd]

18. Smooth move XM

Put this guy on your AAR channel 167 and let him trash AAR. Do you want us to support AAR and not listen for three hours, or support Ed and not listen for the other 21 hours. - Brillant

[MamaBear]

22. Thom Hartmann is on Sirius already.

He comes on for an hour at noon every weekday. So XM wasn't going to run him against himself, or perhaps he had a contractual agreement with Sirius. Too bad. It would have been nice to be able to get Thom for all three hours via satellite.

Maybe things can work themselves out down the line.

[POAS]

23. Maybe it is time to switch to Sirius!

[dubyaD40web]

27. That's what I'm going to do now.

Because XM 167 will carry Ed, I'm leaving XM and going back to Sirius. That's how much I can't stand him.

[kikiek]

81. Remember before you do something rash..167 is Air America. They are going to

replace Al with Thom. It isn't XM's call who goes on then because it is the Air America channel. Local channels of Air America might be able to change the line up. I don't think on XM anyone but Air America has control.

[Ian David]

28. Sirius doesn't have Randi, Sam Sedar, or Rachel Maddow. And they're dumping C-SPAN. n/t

[cascadiance]

32. Rupert Murdoch and Newscorp must be hard at work...

... as big investors in XM swinging their weight around now... I think I might drop my XM subscribership and go back to Sirius. If Sirius were to get all three hours of Hartmann in the morning, that would seal the deal for me!

How about the move Lynn Samuels into Ed's slot and have Thom Hartmann have his full three hours!

I can already get Dead Ed on KLSD here locally if I really have to want to listen to him.

[Rosco T.]

61. Murdoch and Newscorp ARE NOT BIG INVESTORS IN XM..

jeebus people, stop spreading this shit.

[POAS]

33. Well that leaves me little choice!

[Suziq]

64. C-SPAN's Decision to Leave Sirius

Sirius wanted to interrupt C-SPAN programming for MORE sports. C-SPAN said no, therefore, they will no longer broadcast on Sirius. I am truly pissed off at Sirius. They already interrupt Sirius Left for, guess what, MORE SPORTS! Sirius needs to realize that people subscribe to their service for more than sports. :mad:

Having Mike Malloy does ease the pain some.

[cascadiance]

68. I think now is a good time to pressure affiliates to carry Randi live...

I'm hoping that KLSD here in San Diego shifts to a lineup something like:

6:00am - 9:00am Stacy Taylor Show
9:00am -12:00pm Ed Schultz Show
12:00pm - 3:00pm Randi Rhodes Show
3:00pm - 5:00pm Rachel Maddow Show
5:00pm - 6:00pm Politically Direct
6:00pm - 7:00pm Mike Malloy
7:00pm -9:00pm Jon Elliott
9:00pm - 10:00pm Ecotalk
10:00pm - 1:00am Lionel
1:00am - 2:00am Thom Hartman?
2:00am -3:00am Mark Riley
3:00am -6:00am The Bill Press Show

They if I get Sirius and hopefully Sirius get SMART and puts in Thom Hartmann for a full three hours in the mornings I could perhaps have his slot overlapping Schultz's, then listen to Randi Rhodes from noon to 3 PM when Sirius would hopefully still carry him then, and then listen to Stephanie Miller or Rachel Madow/Politically Direct between 3:00 PM and 6:00 PM, and then have Mike Malloy on Sirius from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM. Would be a nice set of choices then! Just have to make sure that Sirius doesn't move Ed to 9:00 AM to noon so that we don't have any choices. If they were to do that, then I'd pressure KLSD to carry Thom Hartmann during that time and keep the rest of the schedule as is and hopefully they'd have someone decent on Sirius to take up Ed's current afternoon slot.

I think we should start a few petitions on this:

A) to petition Sirius to carry Thom Hartmann live his full three hours in the morning. I think we could make the case that would give them a good competitive edge over XM by doing this.
B) to petition local affiliates to put Randi live in Ed's old time slot (which I'm guessing most are planning on doing when this happens).

Then we'll have some real choices, and we can toss Newscorp owned XM to the curb, like I did today.

[stevedeshazer]

74. I'm impressed with Stacy Taylor

I heard him subbing for Randi a while back, and I thought he was damn good.

You guys in San Diego are lucky to have him.

[Rosco T.]

148. "and we can toss Newscorp owned XM to the curb"

GHODDAMMIT NEWSCORP DOES NOT PHUCKING OWN XM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY do you continue to spread this ghoddamn LIE?

[AlCzervik]

29. Thoms show will be replacing Al Frankens show ans that runs against

big head Ed. I've tried several times to listen to Ed but after about an hour of him tooting his own horn i switch over to my ipod and listen to the car guys.

[bigscott]

30. "big ed"

is a big ass - he is a complete waste of air-space

[grmamo]

59. I like Randi, Sam, Thom Hartmann, Stephanie, Mike Malloy NOT big feeling ED

Sirius is good for me - they have Thom, Stephanie, Bill Press, Mike Malloy and the big feeling Ed (I do not listen to him). He is just mad when he looses out to another radio host.

[Leopolds Ghost]

41. Why do you guys want to deny us Ed listeners?

Most Americans can't stand shrill, morning-zoo type hosts like Randi and smarmy NPR type partisan hacks like Rachel, who sound interchangeable otherwise.

[MzNov]

43. He's doing it himself. he's NOT a progressive, nor a liberal.

He trashes "lefties" constantly and props up RWers daily. What you "see" is not what you get. And a lot of us resent that ! He's a nasty, rude piece of work. IMHO

[Leopolds Ghost]

50. No, he trashes dweebs like Randi who have an alienating, know-it-all style.

Are you suggesting he be taken off AAR so Ed fans, a significant number of DUers, are unable to listen to him?

If so then you're displaying the typical P.C. "insensitivity" that Schultz rails against.

"Everything must be progressive... perfect. All the pieces fit together... nice. No dissent. Perfect."

[nolies32fouettes]

51. I like Randi and I like Ed. But I don't approve of him dissing other

progressive radio hosts.

He is just as 'take it or leave it' as she is and he can put people off too.

I've never heard him diss anyone except Rush or O'lielly and so I'll keep Randi, Ed, Stephanie and all my fav's tuned in.

[Leopolds Ghost]

53. The two of them diss each other

They seem to hate each other.

I find Randi's approach to radio difficult to listen to, and she seems to assume all her listeners are of the "old left" or "lapsed leftist" school of thought that is preoccupied with fighting old battles, just like the
righties they both rail against...

[MzNov]

57. He's an out of control blow bag who does nothing but puff himself

up and brag. YES, TAKE HIM OFF. We don't need traitors. I want honesty and intelligence. I don't like all talk show hosts, but they have contributed to the left media without exception. I gave Schultz a chance but he blew it every time when he started to trash not just Randi, but other hosts on the left. this is disingenous and PHONY.

I support every left wing radio host. He's not a left wing radio host. He's a DISHONEST butthead.

[grmamo]

62. you are right on about everything - I knew he would hit Mike Malloy,

you should have heard how he ranted about Phoenix station buying their own radio. Now that he is attacking Mike also, I am glad he is so upset.

[MzNov]

71. Hi grmamo! Is this a new attack on Mike?

:hi:

I heard his attack a few months ago and couldn't believe it! It was vicious.

He seems like a spoiled, whining baby. He doesn't get it that he's hurting our side.

:shrug:

[grmamo]

75. Hi Ms November, no it was when the people were trying to buy the station...n/t

[hlthe2b]

63. I'm not saying he shouldn't be on XM... I'm saying he

has no business being on 167, which is dedicated to AAR in an exclusive arrangement with the network. Ed Schultz is not, nor has he EVER been part of AAR.

I realize many like him, so fine, carry his show... Just NOT ON the AIR AMERICA RADIO-branded channel. It only makes sense not to include someone who continually rails against AAR...:shrug:

[cascadiance]

76. He's been on another channel right?

I know initially when they first set up the "Air America Exclusive" he was on there from the days before it was exclusively Air America, and later pushed him onto another channel along with Alan Colmes who was also in the situation. I think he was on a similar channel that Doctor Laura was, etc. I think I just found a page that showed he was on channel 165 earlier. Why did he feel he had to move to 167? If he flames AAR so much, why does he feel he has to be on their channel? He should be popular enough on his own to draw his own audience on that other channel without making this move (IF he's really that much more popular than Air America hosts as he says he is). He and XM are trying to force his show onto our plate! THAT is why I canceled XM today!

[Kolesar]

46. Randi Rhodes is way-better than the other LW radio hosts. She does this thing called "reading"

...and "research". I learn a lot when I listen to Randi Rhodes. Like how the School of the Americas learned the tactics of the Nazis for use in suppressing the people of Latin America.

There are a few moments on Randi's show when I think to myself: "when is this going to get good?", but hey that's ok, I can deal with it. You know why? Because I am patient. 14 minutes after.

[Leopolds Ghost]

52. SoA is a PERFECT example of what I'm talking about. People like Randi

feel the need to focus in on it and not let go. Mobilization for Global Justice-heads who AREN'T that progressive, merely doctrinaire leftist. Everyone who cares about the SoA -- including me -- already knows about it and is involved in groups that care about it. Harping on it in an effort to "educate" her listeners is not news, it is dry, Academic-Marxist "you don't know this, but 20 years ago..." bullshit. I do know about it, and I can do my own reading without being READ TO about history I already know about, thank you very much. If I didn't know about it, I don't tune into be lectured to, but that's not her target audienmce. Her target audience is preching to the choir, like righties using code phrases to say "I'm hard-right" or "I'm hard left". The code phrases remain the same even when the facts change. For instance I know that they are no longer called the School of Americas and that they WON the battle for Central America with their torture tactics, making hers a moot point. All warfare is murder and torture. That's what sophists like Randi rarely point out when harping on about hard-leftist hobby horses like SoA, Mumia, and Vieques. It is merely code-words to them meaning "if you know what I'm talking about, you're one of us... if you don't know, you won't care, go listen to Rush."

[MzNov]

60. You need a giant dose of THOM HARTMANN.

oh wait, I'm sure he would irritate you with all of his talk about the founding fathers and labor unions.

[Kolesar]

66. No, the SOA was topical that day

I think it was the day they buried Jeanne Kirkpatrick--or Pinochet.

I think that Randi has credibility speaking as a member of the armed forces and that gives her the ability to speak to people across the political spectrum. (to speak to your point)

[regnaD kciN]

110. As far as I'm concerned, Randi only does this thing called "screaming"...

Many years ago, there was this sports announcer Nanci Donellon, a.k.a. "The Fabulous Sports Babe." She could be quite entertaining in a low-brow way for awhile, but eventually became tiresome.

It sometimes seems to me that Randi got her entire style from "The Fabulous Sports Babe," and she's having the same effect on me.

[Kolesar]

116. But "Dead Air Ed" Shultz does not have *anything* to talk about; he is totally content-less

He might have somebody good on for an interview, but I don't think Ed Shultz knows *anything* about:
energy policy, linguistics/framing, the DNC, the DLC, or anything important. He can talk fish and hockey in my impression. But I don't know much about fish and hockey so he might be bullshitting that, too.

[The Gunslinger]

146. The Fabulous Spots Babe...

I remember her. I really liked her a lot. Loud and obnoxious, but thats sports radio.

[LSK]

54. what the hell is a shrill, morning-zoo type host?

:shrug:

[The Gunslinger]

67. Most Americans can't stand phony loud blowhards.

[flyarm]

100. easy to answer ..ed has been a lifelong rethug..i do not listen to rethugs

on
i will not listen to a faux progressive..i will not listen to a republican who pretends to pass himself off as a progressive..

i live in fla where the dem party is so infiltrated with people like ed republican shultz..

i will not listen to that fake!

fly

[kikiek]

85. Thom's website says he is taking over Al's time slot starting the 19th. It has to be

XM's decision then? I cannot stomach the Limbaugh wanna be. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt but am now convinced he has a lofty goal of being the next "Rush".

[madfloridian]

34. Here is the XM website with Big Eddie's big picture.

http://www.xmradio.com/onxm/channelpage.xmc?ch=167

And note the bio page which mostly is taken up by Big Eddie boy's bio...others hardly mentioned.

http://www.xmradio.com/onxm/channelbio.xmc?ch=167

[cascadiance]

36. Just called up and cancelled my XM subscription!

Told them that they needed to get Hartmann on in the mornings and Mike Malloy on in the evenings to get me back!

I might be calling up Sirius shortly.

[vireo]

37. So are any AAR stations actually dropping Schultz?

BTW, Marc Maron is filling in for Al this Thursday and Friday.

[alittlelark]

103. 960 The Quake gave an editorial on their 5pm news hour

Concerning Ed's rantings against Air America. He is currently on 960 from 12-3. I was surprised to hear their negative commentary about one of their own line-up (for how long...?).

[madinmaryland]

38. What's going on??

I heard him trashing some callers about moving to satellite (wasn't sure which ones) Does this mean he is leaving the over the air radio? Only caught a few minutes of it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

42. I certainly hope not. I won't pay for yuppie radio like the Ed haters n/t

[MzNov]

44. "yuppie" radio ????

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Leopolds Ghost]

49. Yes, Ms. Upper-Middle Class XM Listener

Who thinks Ed Schultz appeals to "the wrong crowd" apparently.

[MzNov]

58. I don't have XM and I'm not upper middle class. I'm an anti-war

left wing democrat. and I come to DU to expect the same from others, or at least respect for those who are for the cause.

Yuppie is so over.

Randi can be abrasive, but the big picture is the was she gathers FACTS. I've NEVER heard her trash Big Butt Head.

[hlthe2b]

69. Excuse me? I have no cable nor, satellite tv and use a slow

form of DSL to save $$ ($25/month). So that $11/month I pay for XM versus the $200 or more others pay for various satellite and broadband services hardly makes me "MS. Upper-Middle Class Yuppie".....:eyes:

[corkhead]

72. oops, posted in wrong place...

[corkhead]

73. I am an XM subscriber but I hardly fit your stereotype notions, I live in hickville USA

and my only terrestrial radio choices are mostly RW gasbags jaysus "music", hillbilly (Me 'n Gawd) music, or the a continuous repeat of the same 5 songs from the "classic" rock playlist I heard when I was back in high school in the late 70's. I do listen to a lot of NPR, but of late, they are catapulting the propaganda for the junta in the whitehouse, i.e. most recently over the weekend, the Iran weapons killing our soldiers in Iraq BS.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Sam Seder said he was not lfety enough

just throwing it out there, but I haerd it over the weekend

[Leopolds Ghost]

55. "Not lefty enough" for what?

This is rich, since I find the entire AAR network to be center-liberal apologists or old-left reactionaries, who have isolated themselves from any larger battle for social transformation in this country.

So he's to be taken off all AAR affiliates, even the ones where he's currently carried live?

[walldude]

92. Here's my problem with Ed...

He still uses the right-wing talking point method of discussion. He takes the right wing talking point of the day and tries to defend against it without doing a single shred of research to see if the TP was even accurate. Example: Ed spent two days defending Nance Pelosi for the whole plane incident. Ok, laudable. But, what he did was, instead of trying to find out if the story was accurate he spent 2 days defending Pelosi's right to choose whatever plane she wanted. Even after Tony Snow said it was a non-story, she doesn't get to request planes, that the SS and Air Force decide what she needs, even after that Ed was still trying to defend Pelosi for something she never even did. While I agree that Randi and others can be abrasive at times at least they are well researched and informed. Ed is neither, and that's why I can't listen to him. Not to mention all the air time he spent praising Joe Leiberman during the elections.

[Richard Steele]

105. Don't you get it? 2 days CATAPULTING the RW smear, encouraging people to assume the lie was TRUE.

And that was his REAL agenda, just as when he ALWAYS lets
the RW KoolaidKallers spout their lie-of-the-day nonsense
without interruption.
He'll sure cut a progressive liberal off in mid-sentence
in a frickin' heartbeat, though.

Because that's what he's really about: Calling himself a
Democrat so he can slip RW propaganda under his listeners'
radar.

If the guy was a Senator, he'd be Lieberman.

[The Gunslinger]

147. I don't think hes sneaking a RW agenda

He just is a rightist that thought he'd be more popular packaged as the "Rush" of the left wing. Problem is, he is transparent and his true colors against the left get shown pretty easily especially yesterday.
He'd switch back to righty tomorrow if it made business sense to him.

[flyarm]

101. ed shultz has been a lifelong registered republican..can you get that yet??

he is not a democrat..he has been a lifelong registered republican!

[orleans]

115. i see you "find the entire AAR network to be center-liberal apologists or

old-left reactionaries who have isolated themselves from any larger battle for social transformation in this country"

since all i'm seeing you post is negative shit about aar i was wondering
so how do you perceive ed schultz?

[The Count]

48. Wasn't Ed Schults on Air Forces radio? Fired for covering W's set up conference

with the troops... A lot of effort from the left to get him reinstated. Then, just like Bill Maher, once back on the air he turned on us... (in case you wonder what I'm talking about, Maher, after our support after his PI controversy declared that the left are hypocrites and only Coulter and Limbaugh stood up for him)

[Felinity]

56. The rant just hit Austin

Here's the number for the local affiliate, KOKE: 512-416-1100. Ask for Christian Beau (Bo?)

Hideous. How dumb is this guy?

[marlakay]

70. Discussion getting pretty crazy

I listen sometimes to Ed, I have sirius, live in mountains so get almost zero radio. Thank god for satelite. I like Stephanie, Bill Pres, and Tom Hartman. I use to listen to AAR before they took them off. My husband bought lifetime Sirius on sale so we can't change. The problem mostly is dems attacking each other.

I sent Ed a long message about his show being okay except when he gets so prideful about how great he is. Randi when I did listen to her goes off in weird rants, they all have their bad and good. I just wish I had more than an hour for Tom Hartman. Wouldn't do me any good to fight for XM as I don't have it.

Sometimes I listen online to him. Love his segment with Bernie on fridays.

Ed isn't all bad, but neither is AAR or the rest of them. Our party is filled with opinions and obviously a lot of hot heads who spout them not always the best way. Lets try to look at the good all of our radio people do.

[Daylin Byak]

77. I don't blame him, I hate AA too.

I have been pissed off with them for getting rid of Mike Malloy, all they got in my opinion are nothing but a bunch of boring leftists in my opinion(with the exception of Al Franken, him i liked) because of them getting rid of Malloy I terminated my subscription with XM radio.

If you want good liberal radio dump XM and get SIRIUS Satellite Radio with the exception of Alex Bennett we got loads of liberal radio personalties like Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Bill Press and most importantly my man...Mike Malloy.

[The Gunslinger]

82. He also dissed Mike Malloy during his temper tantrum also

And all the other talent on AAR.

I dont know if theses are direct quotes as I could only listen to it for about 30 minutes brfore turnig his show off forever.


Mike Malloy..is a nasty SOB"
"If Mike Malloy was worth a damn, he'd still be on the air somewhere"
"He's one of the biggest hate merchants of left-wing radio, always has been"

[Daylin Byak]

86. I never dissed Malloy

Where in my post have I bashed Mike? and this is not a temper tantum it's my opinion, it dosen't have to be right but in no way am i engaging a cryfest here I just don't like most of the personalities AAR have today(like Randi Rhodes or Sam Seder)and I perfer SIRIUS liberal station over AAR thats all.

[The Gunslinger]

90. It wasn't that you dissed Mike

It's was that you support ED Shcultz hate filled rant against his"fellow" left wing radio hosts including Mike Malloy which you seem to like. He insulted AAR talent more in 30 minutes than O'Reilly Hannity or Rush have since AAR's launch because it came from the mouth of a supposed left winger. He has proven to me that his "turn" to the left was based on one thing $$$$$. He is a fraud.

[Daylin Byak]

91. Wait a minute, Big Ed dissed malloy

You never told me that. Well then I may have to change my opinion about the guy. I mean Malloy is the man the true spirit of left wing radio, he speaks the truth I mean the guy once read 1984 on the air for christ sakes.

[The Gunslinger]

95. Yea. Theese are quotes I got from Mikes Website forums

Im not sure if they are direct quotes or not. I turned his show off for good.

Mike Malloy..is a nasty SOB"
"If Mike Malloy was worth a damn, he'd still be on the air somewhere" \
"He's one of the biggest hate merchants of left-wing radio, always has been"

This is what angered me. His insults against people he should consider his colleagues. I have never heard him talk about Rush or Hannity with such hate.

[opiate69]

108. Yep.. they're direct quotes.. I heard them myself this morning..

What a prick.. I really hope KPTK dumps his ass.

[madinmaryland]

120. I heard that also. What was he referring to?

He never explained why he thinks of Malloy that way. If Ed's going to make a rant like that, then back he's got to back it up.

[tsuki]

83. Thom Hartman got Frankin's slot? n/t

[Daylin Byak]

87. Yes he will be taking Franken's spot on AAR

Since Al has decided to run for the Senate in Minnesota againist Norm Coleman, good for Al I hopes he wins he has the shot.

[tsuki]

93. I love Hartmann. He is so calm and such a brilliant man. I love

his Friday Brunch w/ Bernie. I call in to the show, and the screeners are always so nice.

We need people that will push, but we also need the Hartmanns.

[The Gunslinger]

96. I've only got to listen to him when Al was on vacation

but they way he would just let Right winger talk away and hang themselves on thier own ropes was just brilliant. I am very disappointed the My affialiate Replacing Al with Ed instead of Thom. I want to get Sirus very soon, but I heard they only play Thom for 1 hour. Is this true?

[tsuki]

97. I stream from Nova M, so I don't know. Hartmann has a lot of RW

"cranks" on his show, and also those my son refers to as Randroids (libertarians?) He is courteous, let's them hang themselves, and does not like to discuss them after they leave the show as he feels they do not have the chance to respond.

He is quick to give his listeners credit, and often refer to them as the smartest audience in radio.

And P.S. -- After years of not being able to drink wine, which I love, he introduced me to eco wines, and yes, I can have a glass of wine with dinner now.

All in all, a positive experience.

[regnaD kciN]

113. Although I understand why he is doing these "debates with the right"...

He is courteous, let's them hang themselves, and does not like to discuss them after they leave the show as he feels they do not have the chance to respond.

...I think he might be a bit too courteous in many of these. In contrast to your opinion that he lets them "hang themselves," it seems to me that, about half of the time or more, they have him for lunch...mainly because he lets them score points and only comes back with a overly-courteous reply and a quick change of subject that makes it seem to me like he's conceding the matter.

[Patiod]

129. He helps me deal with similar people in my own life

He's not the world's BEST debater, but he usually has some good points. I like the concept of "helping you win the water cooler wars".

I love Thom.

[Justpat]

117. Right now Thom is only on from 12 - 1pm.

Then he is followed by the shrill Lyn Samuels whom I detest.
They give her two hours. It makes no sense to me.

I write them all the time about it. I wish they'd put Thom
on from 12 - 3.

[regnaD kciN]

111. "Calm and brilliant"...?

"Brilliant" I will grant, at least most of the time. However, Hartmann has an unfortunate tendency to never meet a conspiracy theory he didn't love (I especially think of his widely-ridiculed "the Mafia used our own Cuban invasion as a cover to kill JFK" book), and will occasionally come up with a howler that suggests that he never bothered to study even the basics of whatever it is he's presenting himself as an expert about.

Still, he's a good listen most of the time.

Right now, on my Seattle station, my opinions of the announcers, in order of preference, would be:

Stephanie Miller
Rachel Maddow
Thom Hartmann
Al Franken (about to leave)
Ed Schultz
Randi Rhodes

(I don't rank Mike Malloy, because I can't get reception out here at that point in the evening. As for Jon Elliot, who will be shifted into the schedule when Franken leaves, :shrug: .)

[HootieMcBoob]

121. Listen to Thom Hartmann steam on wptt

WPTT in Pittsburgh had Thom Hartmann sit in for Lynn Cullen one day and got a response like they'd never gotten before. As a result they had the good sense to pick up Thom's show. They moved Lynn Cullen to the earlier slot and now they have Hartmann in the 12 to 3 slot. If the people of Pittsburgh, a very middle class, blue collar kind of town, had that kind of a reaction to Thom then it's obvious that he does a great job of connecting. Here's the link to listen to Thom on WPTT. http://www.1360wptt.com/

And an article about him in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07004/750971-44.stm

[mod mom]

123. Sam Seder referenced a dispute w someone and said to check out his blog but

then said so many people tried to access it that is was down.

Wasn't there something several months ago about the DLC(?) approaching both Ed and Randi to work directly with them in getting a message out and Randi said get lost while Ed hopped on board? Anyone remember this?

[vireo]

130. That was "Democracy Radio"

It was created by a group of DLCish Dems and was headed by Debbie Stabenow's husband, Tom Athans. Randi chose not to sell out to them while Ed said OK.

[mod mom]

135. thank you.

[madfloridian]

137. Athans is now a CEO in AAR as are others from Democracy Radio

At least last I heard.

[vireo]

140. Athans has left AAR

Former Air America EVP and Progressive Talk Radio pioneer Tom Athans has announced the launch of Talk USA Radio. Athans, a founder of the Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller shows, said that Talk USA Radio will develop new Progressive Talk shows in an effort to broaden the format and provide more options to listeners across the nation.

“Progressive Talk Radio is a viable format that has great commercial potential,” said Athans. “There simply needs to be a credible alternative to Air America to ensure that Progressive Talk has a chance for success.” Athans said that Air America has done a capable job of appealing to progressives as its base audience. However, it has generally failed to reach a broader audience that would ensure greater commercial success.

“For progressive talk to expand beyond its current audience, programs need to be developed with experienced broadcasters as hosts that focus on entertaining an audience first and informing second. With a strong offering of entertaining and compelling programs, progressive talk can grow and thrive despite the overwhelming presence of conservative talkers.”

Athans said that Talk USA Radio has new programs in development and its first shows will be announced soon. And, he added, we “hope to have them launched by the first of the year.”

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=135563&pt=todaysnews

Anybody know what this new venture is producing?

[madfloridian]

144. Well, obviously not going to appeal to "progressives"... or is it?

that is how it sounds. In fact he is using the word progressive to mean we are not who listen to AAR.

This is the most confusing paragraph I have ever seen.

'“Progressive Talk Radio is a viable format that has great commercial potential,” said Athans. “There simply needs to be a credible alternative to Air America to ensure that Progressive Talk has a chance for success.” Athans said that Air America has done a capable job of appealing to progressives as its base audience. However, it has generally failed to reach a broader audience that would ensure greater commercial success."

[LSK]

124. link to rant here

http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/021307HourOne.mp3

[mod mom]

126. that explains it-thanks. He is such a blowhard. Thom Hartmann is much

easier and more informative that Ed could ever be.

[LaPera]

127. I never liked the way Shultz jumped all over upstart Nova M (Phoenix) and

he's alway jumping on liberal AAR especially his competition...now it's Thom Hartmann will Schultz jump all over Hartman? Hartmann (AAR & Nova M)is one of the absolute best along with Peter B Collins (Nova M) & Mike Malloy (Nova M) & Randi Rhodi (AAR & Nova M).

I think Shultz just wants it ALL (I least he speaks up on behalf of the dwindling UNIONS in this country).

[mod mom]

136. must be a trait of (former) republicans-"wants it all"

[FlaGranny]

138. Hey, a long time ago

I was listening to the radio and this guy called Ed Schultz came on and I absentmindedly listened for a bit and starting thinking to myself, what the hell is that idiot talking about? After a few times of that, the instant I heard his voice I hit the button. He's a definite no-go for me and always has been.

[Johnny Appleseed]

139. that was quite a rant...

just listened as it's available for streaming off his website. And Malloy was the only AAR program I really liked, so I'm not really bothered by the rant. And when you consider all the shots Rhodes, Malloy, Seder have taken at Ed through the last few years it's not really surprising. This has built up for some time. Hartman and Al seem to have liked Ed alot better than the other hosts, though... having him on their shows and such.

[JacksonWest]

141. Air America wouldn't carry Ed when they started, even though he had a strong national presence.

That was the start of the bad blood.

It's hard not to like Randi, even if you don't agree with everything she says. She has a passion that makes her seem credible-Ed sounds like he is slightly constipated. I don't really disagree with either of them that often. I'd take Randi in a second though.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

153. Heard the rant, Ed was VERY unprofessional. I was embarrassed for him.

In my lifetime, I have never heard a broadcaster talk about

fellow broadcasters the way Ed Schultz did yesterday. Shame

on you Big Eddie.

[Marr]

157. I don't like Rhodes OR Schultz, personally.

Randi cuts callers off and goes on 20 minute long rants that are nothing but personal catharsis, and Ed Schultz is a phoney radio guy doing a Bizzaro-World Rush Limbaugh impression. He's completely DLC and way too anxious to attack anyone to the left of Hillary Clinton.

I love Thom Hartmann's show. Reasoned, rational, and informative.