Ok, I'm About To Get My Ass Flamed Here, But... If Hillary And Nancy

[WillyT]

rise to the levels of power they seek by playing the 'Good Ole Boy's Game', then what progressive purpose is served by having 'Good Ole Boys' that happen to be women?

Discuss.



:shrug:

[Carolina]

1. ya won't get flamed by me

I agree :hi:

[gollygee]

2. I have a wee little flame but not over that specific issue

why is it that when we talk about Clinton and Pelosi, we use their first names, but for men we use their last names. I can see with Hillary Rodham Clinton because her husband was president, but that doesn't explain Pelosi.

Not the biggest thing to bother me even today, but it's a little thing that's bugged me a bit.

[janx]

6. I agree and have agreed for some time. n/t

[WillyT]

7. I Was Using It As Shorthand, Figuring Everyone Here Would Know Who I Meant

:shrug:

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

9. It's SENATOR Clinton & SPEAKER Pelosi.

I listened to that ass, david broder, on MTP. He continuously referred to SENATOR Clinton as MRS. Clinton. Of course, all the men were referred to by their last names only. I wanted to throw something at the screen.

[gollygee]

13. Yeah, but if they were men

you would have said something like, "If HRC and Pelosi . . ." *THAT* would have been the shorthand everyone would have understood. Well, of course the thread wouldn't exist if they were men because it's about them being women. But still, we'd say GWB for Bush, FDR to say which Roosevelt, JFK to say which Kennedy, etc. But with Clinton we say Hillary instead of HRC. And there's absolutely no reason to say Nancy instead of Pelosi just like we would never think to say Wesley instead of Clark.

[WillyT]

17. Maybe Your Just Young...

We used to refer to JFK as Jack, and his brother as Bobby.

In fact, if you just said the word Bobby, everybody assumed you were talking about RFK.

:shrug:

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

20. In those cases, using the first name was usually a mark

of affection & respect.

Your OP implies neither. :shrug:

[WillyT]

22. I'm Pretty Sure You Are Correct

In both cases.

:shrug:

[daninthemoon]

21. Yup, and we've never heard our current prez refered to as

"W", or "George W" have we? It's on his frickin bumper sticker! I fully expect to see "Vote Hilary" bumperstickers as well. I am so tired of the nonsense the rabid pro hilary duers keep throwing around. They definetely aren't winning my vote that way. What we never get any answers to are the guts of questions like the original post here. Why?

[WillyT]

23. The Main Thing Is, Nobody Has Addressed The Point Of My OP

Have they

[daninthemoon]

29. They won't. They don't. They'll get abusive as hell, though.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

27. First, I'm not a 'pro hilary (sic) duer'.

I haven't decided who to support & in my state it doesn't much matter. The primaries are pretty much over by the time I vote.

I just find the first name of women annoying. It's rarely used for men. Except of course, for dumbya & then it's always used in derision.

And I seriously doubt that you'll see 'vote for Hillary'. Did you see any 'vote for Al'? 'vote for John'? If there were any they were few & far between.

[blondeatlast]

10. Exactly. nt

[EST]

11. It used to bug me too, until I brought the subject up, as have you,

and got dumped on by about a thousand people.
Seems they WANT to be called by their first names and Clinton, at least, has made a huge deal in her campaign about being called "Hillary."

So any urges for me to try to create respect for her were still born. I am free to refer to her as the asshole I think she is.

[JVS]

28. Clinton is definitely marketing herself under the Hillary label.

[Guaranteed]

32. Yeah, she is- trying to embrace it. But I still try not to

encourage that stuff.

[JVS]

25. Well for Hillary I use her first name because I'd have to use it anyway to be clear that I'm not ...

taling about Bill. I call Pelosi by her last name. When I read Nancy, I think Nancy Reagan.

[Guaranteed]

31. It's a funny thing, and you're right.

Which is why I always call Sen. Clinton, "Sen. Clinton." I just call Pelosi, "Pelosi." I call Hillary by her title because just calling her Clinton would get her mixed up with her husband.

[otherlander]

38. Because if we said

George (bush) or John (edwards) or Joe (biden) no one would know who we were talking about because there are lots of people named George and John and Joe.

Lots of people here say "Go, Dennis!", though, because that's not such a common name.

[bvar22]

49. Guess you haven't seen these yet.

As for Nancy, :shrug:
Maybe a carryover from "Hillary"?


People here (DU) use "Dennis" or "DK" all the time, but I don't think anyone else would know who you were talking about.

[Deja Q]

3. I wouldn't know, although I would say that

roasting marshmallows over a flame makes them crisp on the outside, and all warm and gooey on the inside. :9

[WillyT]

5. LOL !!! - I'm Feeling All Warm And Gooey Right Now !

:hide:

[Cerridwen]

4. We used to call them "men in skirts"

"Men" in this instance being a catch-all word for the "male ideal" promulgated by "conventional wisdom" as tough-guy, stoic, status-quo defender, macho...you know the rest.

[provis99]

8. thats a sexist statement

you have been flamed.

[sampsonblk]

12. Great point!

I am done with Pelosi. But I still have hope for Hilary Clinton, only because she's been there before and (in my view) did a fabulous job for this nation.

Pelosi sold out to get in power and stay there.

[WillyT]

15. I'm Just Sayin... I'll Take A Barbara Boxer, A Maxine Waters, A Barabra Lee, And Dozens Of Others..

before I'll be cheered by the prospects of SENATOR\PRESIDENT Clinton, or SPEAKER Pelosi.

:shrug:

[Pastiche423]

16. Hillary (two l's) has been where?

And just what fabulous job did dhe do for our nation?

[sampsonblk]

37. She worked in the White House for 8 years

Did you miss that? Have you forgotten what it was like?

[Pastiche423]

39. What did she do there?

All I remember is a failed healthcare plan.

[sampsonblk]

40. Wow...

She was one of the top policy advisors, and she was a great ambassador for America. When she went abroad, people lined the streets to get a glimpse of her - and for good reason. She and the husband were the antithesis of the ugly American.

She was (in part) the face of an America that knew its responsibilities in the world and actually gave a damn. She is still revered the world over, as is her husband.

[Pastiche423]

41. Nah, it was Bill that was so revered

I din't like her back then and I like her less now.

In the presidential candidates forums, hers has the fewest posts. Wonder why. :eyes:

[G_j]

14. none n/t

[11 Bravo]

18. No flame here. (At this point I just chuckle at the Hillary-bashing threads.)

[mondo joe]

19. So are women supposed to be inherently different than men? Or not different?

Or maybe just individuals?

[pnwmom]

24. No one can win without playing the game. It's no different for HRC

and Pelosi than anyone else.

If we have to change the rules, then we change the rules. But you have to play the game.

[WillyT]

30. I Hear Ya... It's Just The Selling Of The Soul That Gets To Me...

As I stated above, I'd take Maxine Waters, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Lee, and women of that mold any day of the week.

The usual presidential campaign strategy, is to run toward your base during the primaries, and run toward the center in the general.

Seems Senator Clinton is already running away from her base, and one has to wonder how she'll regard us in the general.

:shrug:

[pnwmom]

35. But when you follow the usual strategy, you get accused of flip-flopping.

Maybe she's better off being more consistent.

[EVDebs]

26. Let your flame so shine before men (that's men and women)...

Matthew 5 : 16

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

http://bible.cc/matthew/5-16.htm

Shine on, WillyT !

[Marr]

33. So far, the only thing Hillary Clinton's fans have offered as an argument

for supporting her, is that she has female genitalia. I don't see why it's all that novel, personally, and like you-- I fear she's just another good old boy who happens to wear a dress.

[Carolina]

47. actually she doesn't

wear dresses! LOL

[Totally Committed]

34. I feel exactly that way, and that's why I refuse to allow ANYONE to characterize

my opposition to HRS as "misogynyst" or "anti-woman".

She is a woman who is running for POTUS on a MAN's records as an adjunct to her own. She is playing the "good old boy's" game by being as big a warmonger, as big a "HS Hard-On" as the rest of them, etc.

She's not feminist. Neither is Pelosi. They are colluders with the males in order to get ahead. Period.

Neither of them should be enabled with our votes any longer, and more than we should enable any other DINO.


TC

[Triana]

42. What TC said. I'm on board with that. (n/t)

[AirmensMom]

36. No flames here.

:hi:

[weeve]

43. No flame here either !

In an election which will likely determine at least three more Supreme Court appointees, why in the WORLD would true Democrats be even willing to risk putting up the most divisive, most controversial, least liked by her base, most apt to bolster Republican turnout, most hawkish candidate of the bunch ?!? It's sheer lunacy.

[skyblue]

44. SCOTUS

[Donald Ian Rankin]

45. "If" is one hell of a weasely word.

"If" that were true, this topic might be worth discussing. As it isn't, it isn't.

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. Been there, thought that.

Good ole gals can be just as bad.

[leftchick]

48. lol!

"anyone but Hillary"! That would make a great bumper sticker! :)