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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:59 PM
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Columbus' discovery was bad for the Native Americans
I can fully understand why Native Americans hate Columbus Day.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:03 PM
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1. Let's boycot Monday and show up for work!!! n/t
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:08 PM
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17. LOL! n/t
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:08 PM
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2. Many aboriginal cultures suffered at the hands of European "discoverers".
It's been fairly well documented. What's your point?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:11 PM
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3. You've got MY vote!!1
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:13 PM
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4. Your vote for what? n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:13 PM
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5. We celebrate the claiming of half the globe by Spain.
Columbus Day amuses me. Most "Americans" don't have a clue what we're really celebrating.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:15 PM
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7. What celebrating do you usual witness?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:24 PM
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10. Well, ok, if you're going to get SPECIFIC. lol!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:14 PM
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6. Yes indeed it was! n/t
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:17 PM
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8. Have you heard ...
... what the Mongols led by Genghis Khan did to the native people of central Europe?

And the people of Mongolia venerate Genghis Khan to this very day!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:21 PM
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9. Can't we let the Italians feel proud of Columbus?
They think that he was a great man. Why spoil their illusion?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:31 PM
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11. uh, wasn't he from Spain?
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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:35 PM
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12. Genoa

I bet he relished terrorizing the Native Americans
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:01 PM
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14. He was an Italian, sponsored by the Spanish monarchs
A very good investment on their part, actually. I think his birth name was Colombo, and in Spanish it's Cristobal Colon.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:05 PM
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16. Cristoforo Colombo, to be exact...
Christopher Columbus was an Anglicization of his name.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:11 PM
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18. I love Anglicized names! St.-Denis becomes "Sidney"
Infanta de Castile becomes "Elephant and Castle." We even mangle our OWN language, as when God Encompasseth Us becomes "Goat and Compasses." Columbus got off light. :hi:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:24 PM
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27. Question
Peter Falk played Colombo on TV...same guy?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:26 PM
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28. More trivia
I am also relatively certain that Cristobal Colon had a half-brother named Semi.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:24 PM
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23. Actually, some historians think that Columbus might have been born in Spain.
It's possible that he was born in Spain and moved to Genoa later.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:19 PM
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20. Well, you can kiss my shiny Italian ass.
Not all of us are pleased with this holiday, but thank you so very much for your arrogant attitude.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 PM
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13. Do the people of central Europe celebrate it?
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:04 PM
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15. Have you read "1491" by Charles C. Mann?
It's very enlightening as to what a catastrophe took place following Columbus' "discoveries."
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:25 PM
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24. This is Hell radio show did a half hour interview with him yesterday
Very enlightening. 1491 is now on my list of to be read books.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:27 PM
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25. Which begs the question ...
... if you are now living in the United States: is your existence a catastrophe?

Or the existence of millions and millions of human beings living in Central and South America over the past 500 years, were/are they a catastrophe?

Is it reasonable to believe that the North and South American continents would have remained isolated from the rest of the world forever?

Or was the arrival of Europeans to the western hemisphere inevitable? Or is it just the ideology of the Roman Catholic Church and the culture of the Spainish that was particularly harmful to the indigenous Americans starting 500 years ago? What does that say about current hispanic culture?



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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:14 PM
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19. Homo Sapiens weren't so good for Neanderthals

There seems to be a pattern for similar primates inhabiting the same areas.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:23 PM
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21. Worked with a Navajo woman who called this holiday "there goes the neighborhood day"
Don't blame her a bit
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:24 PM
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22. Columbus never actually set foot on the North American continent...
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 10:25 PM by A HERETIC I AM
He basically explored the Caribbean islands and parts of Central and South America but never even made it to Florida, much less any other part of North America.

http://www.bartleby.com/67/572.html

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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:30 PM
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26. The Native People WON
Celebrate Columbus day at your pleasure.


The American Indian War has gone Global.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:30 PM
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29. Celebrate it definitely, but not innocently... use it as a time
to look back at the Genocide and build momentum for a Native American Genocide remembrance day.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:53 PM
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30. Yeah but Vangelis composed a cool soundtrack for the movie I never saw!
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 12:02 AM by fujiyama
Personally, I'll never figure out why he's a hero. The guy got lost. And the people of this continent got named after the people of another country...

And of course, there's that whole genocide thing complete with germ/biological warfare...
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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:38 AM
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31. This almost sounds like BUSH
No hero there either
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