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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:57 AM
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Is anyone else taking a fresh look at Richardson?
I am after his pledge to get the troops out within one year.

I am still undecided (read waiting for Gore).
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:08 AM
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1. of the five I saw in an Iowa forum
Richardson was one who did not impress me. When he complained about a tax increase on people with incomes over $95,000 it seemed like he has his priorities in the wrong place. Also he seemed to be spouting alot of 'economic growth' mantra. So he stuck out as my LEAST favorable among the five there - Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, and Richardson. But I probably would still take him over Hillary.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:37 AM
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2. No...
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:38 AM
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3. Two sides to that coin...

...I think he'd be OK as pres. He does have tones of experience (both breadth and depth) perhaps more than any other candidate. However, he's also pretty well tied in to the elitist circles and has shown signs of sharing those "values".

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:52 AM
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4. I like him.
I think the democratic party has several strong candidates in the second tier. I like him, as well as Dodd and Biden. I think it's good to keep them in the running.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:43 AM
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5. Richardson lays out the choice about Iraq.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:45 AM
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6. Yeah, after reading Palast's book "Armed Madhouse".
About how he was complicit in vote caging and blocking the NM recount.

He needs to explain that one.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:52 AM
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7. I have Palast's book.
But I also have all the confidence in the world in Bill Richardson. He's got the best resume and outside of Kucinich, he's the only one that will bring ALL our troops out of Iraq ending the war and working to have a regional solution and stability.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:10 AM
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8. Bill Richardson on:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:28 AM
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9. Problem with Bill are his incredible gaffes
and his incredible love of nuclear power. He is very pro-nuke and supported the licensing of the uranium fuel processing plant in NM.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:38 AM
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11. He is for a varied approach.
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 09:39 AM by mmonk
His energy link I provided provides links to his speeches. People can judge what they like or don't like from them. Our pressing problems are Iraq, our standing in the world, our constitution and all the abuses of it, green house gases and fossil fuels. Everyone has to weigh the issues and it has to be open and honest without double talk and political nuance to cover politicians as they don't actually commit to this or that.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:33 AM
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10. He's one of the DLC's "leaders"
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:54 AM
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12. But directly rejects the DLC and neoconservative approach
that others have taken. His approach to foreign policy and international law is opposite. His Iraq and foreign policy approach is less DLC than the frontrunners.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:13 AM
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13. Link please? It's hard to believe a DLC "leader" has rejected neo-liberal economics
since that is the foundation of the "New Democrat" movement.

But I'd love to see a link in which Richards rejects "free trade" with China, NAFTA, privatization of key government functions, etc!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:21 AM
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14. His economic links are above.
He doesn't think it is something that should be enforced with invasions and dictated to with force. Yes, he has some free trade leanings but with modifications.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:30 AM
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16. His "jobs and economy" link, like Hillary's, is SILENT on "free trade", outsourcing, etc.
I think I have my answer.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:41 PM
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17. He plans to help the American worker
Upon assuming office in New Mexico, one of Governor Richardson's first actions was to reinstate collective bargaining for public employees. He went on to dramatically expand those employees' health benefits and produced one of the most generous labor contracts in the country. He secured the first public works labor agreement in New Mexico history. And he made New Mexico's prevailing wage a union wage. When he is President, he will do the same for all America.

The next administration will have to work hard to reverse the damage done by the Bush White House: record debt, stagnant wages, shrinking benefits, rising costs, and historically low job creation numbers. One essential step in this process will be to embrace the Employee Free Choice Act, so that workers are free to unionize without fear of intimidation or harassment.

We must also institute card checks -- just as Governor Richardson did in New Mexico. If an employer then fails to bargain in good faith, there should be mediation and arbitration for their contract. And, there should be stronger penalties for employer violations while workers are attempting to form a union. The right to organize is one of our nation's most coveted freedoms, and it cannot and should not simply be taken away.

Additionally, as President, Bill Richardson will appoint a union member as his Secretary of Labor, so that America's workers' primary advocate in the Cabinet will be familiar with the challenges of today's workforce.

For too long, working Americans have been underappreciated and misunderstood by the Bush administration. As President, Bill Richardson will join the efforts of working families, and together we will restore labor to its rightful place at the negotiating table. Only then will everyone in our country have a chance to achieve the American Dream.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:50 AM
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28. It's EASY to protect public workers from the ravages of the outsourcing policies Richards advocates
But the vast majority of us are left to hung out to dry.

Richardson is merely another flavor of DLC dem. No thanks.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:25 AM
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15. I like him, also.

Although I'm still undecided on a candidate,
I'm taking a close look at Richardson.

He has many good qualities I like in a leader.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:42 PM
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18. No.
He's stance on gays was eye-opening to say the least..
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:50 PM
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19. What?
That it shouldn't matter whether it is a choice or genetics?

Maybe you should check out his actual record instead.

btw, I think the whole controversy over Richardson's response to that question was ludicrous and further diminishes the credibility of those who use it against him.

I know a guy who is a GLBT activist and he assures me that actual activists (who aren't spending much time on message boards) have a whole lot more sense than that displayed by the keyboard "gay activists."

A little more clarification: I lived through the time, and was paying attention when physical differences between the brains of gays and straights was being discovered...I witnessed the debate among gay activists about whether it was good or bad, that if it was "genetic" then they could be treated as "defective"...I also know people on the GLBT spectrum who have described it as a choice for themselves. It isn't a one-size fits all thing, and the language is more about being politically correct than anything else.

And Richardson is absolutely right - it shouldn't matter one damned bit.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:05 PM
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20. The Votemaster: Richardson

Some of you may remember the Votemaster from the 2004 presidential election. Occasionally, he has been posting on various candidates, fundraising, etc. Here is his latest:


More bad news for the GOP. Six-term senator Pete Domenici (R-NM) has announced that he will not run for a seventh term in 2008. This brings to five the number of open Senate seats--all currently occupied by Republicans. Domenici was deeply involved in the U.S. attorney scandal and has a progressive brain disease that can affect judgment and behavior and he apparently decided that enough is enough.

Domenici's decision completely shuffles the deck in New Mexico, a swing state in presidential elections. Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM), who was reelected in 2006 by fewer than 1000 votes has already announced she is running for Domenici's seat. The person she defeated, former state attorney general, Patricia Madrid, has also indicated interest, as has the Democratic Lt. Governor, Diane Denish and Rep. Tom Udall, cousin of the Democratic Senate candidate in Colorado, Mark Udall.

The 800-pound gorilla in this picture is the immensely popular, but term-limited governor, Bill Richardson. Richardson dominates state politics and was just reelected governor by the largest margin in state history. Richardson is currrently running for President, but is stuck in the second tier with little movement. It is hard to imagine a scenario in which Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards simultaneously collapse, so the speculation is that Richardson is running for Vice President. He might be an asset on the ticket with Clinton, since he is a middle-aged white male with Latino heritage (his mother was born in Mexico) and is hugely popular in a swing state. On the other hand, Clinton has a raft of potential choices for Veep, such as retired four-star general Wesley Clark (who is from Arkansas, a state in which the Democrats control the governor's mansion, both Senate seats, three of the four House seats, and both houses of the state legislature--hardly unfriendly territory).

No doubt the senior senator from NY, Chuck Schumer (who is also chairman of the DSCC) and the junior senator from NY (Hillary Clinton) are going to be powwowing all day. Schumer's message will surely be: Tell Richardson he is not going to be your Veep choice and encourage him to run for the Senate seat. In other words, give up your futile quest for the presidency and take the Senate seat that is yours for the asking, especially since you can't run for governor again. Schumer's main argument to Clinton will be: Do you want a fillibuster-proof Senate or not?

more...
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2007/Pres/Maps/Oct05.html


The votemaster always has an interesting perspective. Check out his previous postings.


Who is that Votemaster guy, anyway?
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2007/Info/votemaster-faq.html


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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:47 PM
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21. I think I'm solidifying my decision for him.
Maybe.

How's that for decisive? :)

Since the guy I really want to win isn't running, nor are Clark or Gore, who are also attractive, I've mostly been peeking out from the virtual bedcovers at the slate of candidates, and not liking what I see. I see things to dislike about all of them; in some cases, things to dislike A LOT.

That said, what it comes down to is who will run the country competently first, and pursue progressive goals, second? Richardson is the only one I have absolutely no doubt about on that first requirement. Having checked out his positions, I feel pretty good about how he'll approach the second as well. And if he's as competent as I think, he will be able to get more done on those goals than someone who is barely keeping their head above the crises.

Bottom line, people who think experience matters, and proven diplomatic skills matter, ought to like what they see in Richardson.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:23 PM
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22. More from a website
BILL RICHARDSON has EXPERIENCE:

1. Bill Richardson has been Governor of New Mexico since 2003. He was re-elected in 2006 by 69% of the vote, the highest margin in New Mexico's history. As a State's Chief Executive, he knows how to run a government and has proven that he has the leadership skills to do so successfully. He knows how to work with a legislature to get laws enacted. He understands the needs of States, especially their need for positive interaction with the federal government.

The state of New Mexico borders the nation of Mexico. As New Mexico's Governor, Richardson has faced the problem of illegal immigration and understands it first-hand. Yet, as his heritage is partly Hispanic, he understands all sides of the issue and is in the best position to arrive at a positive resolution of this divisive concern.

Bill Richardson has served as Chairman of: (1) The Democratic Governors Association (2005-06) (2006 was the first time the association had ever asked any governor to stay on for a second term); (2) The Western Governors Association (2004); (3) The Border Governors Association (2004); and (4) The 2004 Democratic National Convention. He knows Governors and politicians across the nation, and they know him and, more importantly, respect him.

2. Bill Richardson was the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (1997-98). He knows the value of diplomacy and is good at it. His diplomatic skills have gotten him nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize four times.

Bill Richardson's foreign policy accomplishments include: (1) Negotiations with the North Koreans, which resulted in that nation returning to the six-nation discussions on nuclear weapons development; (2) Negotiations with the President of Sudan and Sudanese rebels about a temporary cease-fire; (3) Negotiations that led to the peaceful transfer of power in the former Congo; (4) Negotiations with Fidel Castro (Cuba), Saddam Hussein (Iraq), President Omar Al-Bashir (Sudan), and North Korean diplomats, all of which led to the release of American prisoners; and (5) Brokering an agreement, after securing a military stand-down, for face-to-face talks between opposing factions in pre-9/11 Afghanistan; and (6) Securing safe passage for 7,000 Tajikistan refugees trapped in northern Afghanistan through Uzbekistan.

Unlike any other candidate (and our current President), Richardson is known and RESPECTED in diplomatic circles throughout the world.

3. Bill Richardson was Secretary of the U.S. Department of Energy (1998-2001). He knows how to run a large government department and understands the perspective of Cabinet members. He is knowledgeable about energy and has many ideas on how to reduce the dependence of United States on oil and other carbon-based fuels and to lower greenhouse gas emissions.

4. Bill Richardson was a United States Congressman for 15 years (1983-97). He rose into the ranks of the Democratic Party leadership as Deputy Whip. He knows how Congress works and how to get legislation passed into law and he has demonstrated that he can work well with other members of Congress of all political persuasions.

"Of all the resumes in the Democratic field of presidential hopefuls, Mr. Richardson's stands
out ..."
-Jeff Zeleny, N.Y. Times (Apr. 27, 2007).

" ... the most impressive resume in the presidential race."
-Concord (N.H.) Monitor (Apr. 6, 2007)

"Nobody on either side is as experienced and tested on the key issues of the day - foreign policy, energy independence and economic growth <- as is Bill Richardson>."
-Adam C. Smith, St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times (Apr. 1, 2007)

" impressed our large crowd of ambassadors, journalists and graduate students with his foreign policy expertise."
-Robert Guttman, Director of Center on Politics and Foreign Relations, Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, Washington, D.C. (Mar. 29, 2007).

Bill Richardson] is the Foreign Policy Stud of the Democratic contest. ... is bona fides ... are unmatched by the other contenders."
-A.B. Stoddard, The Hill (Wash., D.C.) (Apr. 9, 2007).

" ... has the best resume and sense of humor of the 2008 Democratic Presidential candidates. ... Unlike his rivals, Richardson has a strong record of effective diplomacy ..."
IN magazine (June 1, 2007)


BILL RICHARDSON has BRAINS:

Bill Richardson is both well-educated and an educator. He graduated from Tufts University in Boston, Massachusetts and got a Master's degree from Tufts' Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. He has taught at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, New Mexico University, New Mexico State University, and United World College.

Bill Richardson's positions on the broad range of issues he would face as President demonstrate his intelligence. You can find these positions on Richardson's official web site - www.richardsonforpresident.com



BILL RICHARDSON has GUTS:

Bill Richardson takes positions he believes are right, not because they are popular.

" has not compromised and backed down under pressure from consultants. He is real ..."
-Minnesota Daily (Apr. 12, 2007)

Examples are:

Medical Marijuana - Bill Richardson is the first Presidential candidate ever to support the legalization of medical marijuana.

"So what if it's risky? It's the right thing to do. What we're talking about is … people in pain." -Gov. Bill Richardson (Mar. 15, 2007) before signing into law the medical marijuana law the New Mexico State Legislature recently enacted after his urging it to do so since 2002.

"Give credit. It's not something you do because you're going to garner great political support for it. It is a bit controversial."


-Thomas Mann, Brookings Institution political analyst
Gay Rights - Bill Richardson not only has taken unpopular progressive positions on gay rights, but also has succeeded in getting those positions adopted.

"n terms of actual accomplishments Bill Richardson stands above the other current candidates because he's actually pushed forward and implemented laws that have helped our community."
- Matt Foreman, Executive Director, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

"He's … been wonderful. He's kept every promise he's ever made to the community."
- Alexis Blizman, Executive Director, Equality New Mexico.

Animal Rights - As Governor, Richardson spearheaded the movement to ban cockfighting in the state of New Mexico, even though it was an ingrained institution with many citizens there.

He knows how to say he was wrong - While U.S. Energy Secretary, the federal government hounded Chinese-American nuclear scientist Wen Ho Lee and accused him of being a Chinese spy. Lee did plead guilty to one criminal count of improper handling of classified material, but his guilt did not justify the vigor of the attacks he got from the government. Unlike Pres. Reagan ("Mistakes were made"), Richardson admitted that he personally could have been, and should have been, "more vigorous in seeking fair treatment" in Lee's case.




BILL RICHARDSON can WIN:

To win the national election, the Democrats need to make significant inroads in the Rocky Mountain West. Richardson's nomination would guarantee that the Democrats would carry the swing state of New Mexico, and, because of his part-Latino heritage, would almost ensure that Nevada, which Bush narrowly won in both 2000 and 2004, also would vote Democratic. In addition, his candidacy likely would put environmentally-conscious Colorado in play. And, unless McCain is the Republican candidate, New Mexico's neighboring state of Arizona, with the continual migration of Californians and northeasterners there, might also vote Democratic. It is worth noting that two Democratic Congressional candidates beat Arizona incumbent Republicans in last November's election.

" Richardson has the 'prefect platform' for a national race. 'If he gets the nomination, he can win. He can bring all parts of the country together.'"
Spartanburg (S.C.) Herald-Journal (July 8, 2007) quoting State Sen. Glenn Reese (Boiling Springs, S.C.)

Inspired by his partial Hispanic heritage, Bill Richardson can re-invigorate the Latino Democratic electorate, which the Republicans have been courting and in which they recently have been making inroads.

Bill Richardson knows how to win. Not only has Richardson won election repeatedly himself, but also while he was Chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, he oversaw the Democratic Party retaking a majority of the nation's governorships in 2006.

"Richardson made a good impression ... and brought out a diverse group ... 'e had a vast majority of Democrats, but also had Republicans and independents ... .. that means that he can draw across the spectrum.'"

Jim Watts, Chairman, York County (S.C.) Democrats, as quoted in The Herald (Rock Hill, S.C., July 8, 2007)


" is a reporter's favorite -candid, accessible and fun to be around. ... the candidate most likely to rise."
- David Brooks, New York Times syndicated columnist (Mar. 4, 2007)

" Richardson is so approachable and affable, he is disarming ..."
IN magazine (June 1, 2007)
"I defy anyone to name a Democrat better equipped to take Florida than New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson."
-Adam C. Smith, St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times (Apr. 1, 2007)

Bill Richardson appeals to all ethnic groups, including African-Americans.

"I'm crazy about Bill Richardson."
-Congressman and House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (S. C.),
as quoted in U.S. News & World Report (March 5, 2007).

Bill Richardson even appeals to some Republicans.

"Personally, I'm a Bill Richardson fan. I think he has the Bill Clinton touch with people."
-J.C. Watts, former Republican Congressman from Oklahoma, as quoted in U.S. News & World Report (Mar. 12, 2007)

" the only one of the Democrats I've heard who makes sense."
Rick Beltram, Spartanburg County, S.C. Republican Chairman, as quoted in Spartanburg Herald-Journal (July 8, 2007)



http://www.billrichardsonforusin2008.com/




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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:26 PM
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23. More on accomplisments from an article
=snip-

However, if one were to ask them about their own accomplishments, the conversation might end quickly. There is only one candidate with real accomplishments and real experiences -- Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico.

He was nominated four times for the Nobel Peace Prize. He has rescued American hostages from some of the world's worst dictators. He was in Congress for 14 years. He was a United Nations ambassador and an energy secretary and now he's the two-term governor of New Mexico.


-snip-

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20070713/OPINION/707130659/1029
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:55 AM
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25. Very important.
I think that threads like this, which focus on a candidate's positive qualities, is what DU needs during the primary season. You make a strong case. Thank you.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:48 AM
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27. Thanks.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:52 AM
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24. morning kick
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:48 AM
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26. He also believes we should join the International Court.
That would put some breaks on some of our controversial behavior.
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