In 1992 the democrats gave America a Rhodes scholar for president.

[Hubert Flottz]

Our democratic Rhodes scholar was able to balance the budget and keep America safe.


In 2000 the US Supreme Court gave America a Rogue scholar for president.

The GOP's Rogue scholar has put the country so far in debt our great grandchildren will be paying for his mistakes and the Rogue scholar admits, that he can't protect America from terrorist attacks and he warns us to be afraid of more terrorist attacks yet to come. The US military is used up and grossly over extended. The terrorists are able to recruit like never before in the war torn middle east, but the US military is steadily falling behind, in it's ability to replenish it's ever shrinking numbers. National security under the GOP's watch, is substandard at best.

Are YOU and your children better off NOW, than YOU were in 2000? Is America better off? Is the planet better off?

[cgrindley]

1. I don't know if I'd make too much mileage out of a Rhodes Scholarship

it's kind of tainted by ummm.... its association with Rhodes


PS Bush sucks. The planet is way worse off. But really, balancing the budget during the 1990s could have been done by a trained monkey. Remember that whole internet bubble etc. Those were some crazy days.

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Our royal slightly "trained monkey" isn't doing so hot!

Poppy's little Rogue scholar couldn't even get into his cheerleader's saddle oxfords, without a full time coach, let alone law school.

I wonder why Reagan and the Bush Klan left the country in debt and couldn't fix it but Clinton could, even though Alan Greedspoon kept interest rates sky high throughout Clinton's 8 years. Now look at the FED rates under Bush...We had to bail out the S&L under the GOP...A vote for the GOP is a vote for tough times...period. I'm seeing my neighbor's homes being auctioned off like in the Grapes Of Wrath movie now, and I never saw that in my previous 57 years.

[davekriss]

11. "A vote for the GOP is a vote for tough times"

Yes it is. Look at this century. Republican Presidents without exception leave the economy worse off than they found it; Democratic Presidents leave it better off than they found it, with one exception.

[iamahaingttta]

18. We've only had GOP president(s) this century.

There have been no Dem presidents in the 21st century.
If you are referring to the 20th century, what about Ike? And Teddy Roosevelt?

[davekriss]

38. Good point

Yes I am referring to last century... ;)

[cgrindley]

12. WTF

what are you going on about?

Certainly a vote for the GOP is a vote for Ragnarock, but I think that you're a little muddled in your reasoning.

For one, Bush's education was pretty good. I can't fault him for that. Asshole that he may be, nevertheless, he went to some good schools. I don't know what he did at those schools, but his education, at least on paper, is second only to those presidents you guys have had who've actually held PhDs... well... just one managed to do that, Woodrow Wilson. Now, there was a good president.

For two, Clinton didn't do shit to the economy. He kept his hands out of the pot and basically kicked back and didn't meddle, and certainly didn't plunge the nation into a huge, needless couple of wars. Clinton followed a Canadian model of doing very little and staying the hell out. Unless you want to discuss trade treaties--but we probably shouldn't. Of course, the internet bubble happened on his watch, and that hurt a lot of people. My sister lost at least 250k, my wife lost 50k and so on.

For three, the S&L collapse took place between 1979 and 1983 as a result of US desires to stop inflation--S&Ls were really invested in high interest rates and when interest rates fell, so did the S&Ls. This all happened in Carter and Reagan's terms. The Bush family was involved, but they didn't cause it. It wouldn't have mattered who was in the Whitehouse. The S&Ls stil would have had to have been bailed out.

For four, your neighbors probably have ARMS or worked at factories driven out of business by globalization. Both of which have been lovingly embraced by both parties.

[SaveAmerica]

15. "You guys have had"?

"For one, Bush's education was pretty good. I can't fault him for that. Asshole that he may be, nevertheless, he went to some good schools. I don't know what he did at those schools, but his education, at least on paper, is second only to those presidents you guys have had who've actually held PhDs... well... just one managed to do that, Woodrow Wilson. Now, there was a good president."

[cgrindley]

22. You guys = Americans... I am Canadian

you guys have had a number of pretty fine presidents, Wilson certainly one of them.

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[ProfessorGAC]

21. Completely Wrong

The elevation of taxes at the correct time to balance the budget meant the gov't was not competing with the equity markets for investment dollars. The risk premium rose substantially as demand for guaranteed investments fell at the same time as supply.

The increased revenue resulted in a huge influx of cash flow to the production/service sector. This, in combination with the tech explosion, (no, not the market bubble which was only tangentially related), improved productivity per worker with very low unemployment which meant the Q rose, and V rose. That meant that P and M didn't have to grow, which is a very stable platform for economic growth and sustainability.

Clinton had an enormous influence on what happened in the 90's. The stats and the math make that abundantly clear.
The Professor

[cgrindley]

24. No he didn't

The economy of the 1990s would have happened if Michael Jackson and Bubbles had been ruling the nation. Nothing against Clinton. He was a mediocre to fair president, but he was hardly FDR.

[ProfessorGAC]

28. You're Still Wrong

The math and a historical perspective prove it. You can be wrong if you wish. I'm sure you used to it.
The Professor

[JeanGrey]

33. I agree. The best thing about Clinton was he didn't

interfere in the boom 90's brought about by technology. I did very well on my investments but got out at the proper time. Unfortunately, too early for stuff like Google............

[LeftishBrit]

30. Bush's education?

Well, he went to Yale, but that wasn't because he was a good student. It's because daddy was a rich alumnus. A trained monkey would have got in, under those circumstances. Come to think of it, he probably IS a trained monkey. The Republicans have gone from bad to worse, ever since they elected Reagan when they would have done better to elect Bonzo.

[yurbud]

36. what you said about Clinton is basically true of Dems since about Jimmy Carter

at best they do very incremental positive changes, at worst, they pursue neoliberal policies a little less aggressively than
the GOP.

[SaveAmerica]

14. Unless the trained monkey had oil collecting on his mind, if you don't have

balancing the budget on your agenda but taking over the middle east is at #1, you're not going to balance the budget even if there's an internet bubble and you're a trained monkey, which, thanks for choosing it, is Bush.

[LeftishBrit]

29. In general, I have a lot of respect for Rhodes Scholars, despite the imperialism of old Rhodes...

but there was one occasion in the 80s when the awards committee must have been sleeping. I found out that David Vitter was a Rhodes Scholar! Now how did he manage THAT - or was a committee member bribed by a diaper manufacturing company?

[Perry Logan]

2. Bill Clinton has an IQ of about 180. George W. has an IQ of about 90 (not counting brain damage).

So their guy is literally HALF as smart as our guy.

That's why the White House imploded when Bush took office.

[Hubert Flottz]

6. Mental agility is not the GOP leadership's strongest suit...

Look at Bush jr. and Poppy's old VP...

[SHRED]

7. Clinton's I.Q.

Too bad he didn't use when signing NAFTA, the Telcom Act, expanding the "war on drugs" to record level of marijuana arrests, and being against industrial hemp legalization.

The damage to working men and women, via NAFTA, the lack media ownership diversity, via Telcom, and imprisoning record numbers of pot smokers are absolute unforgivable blunders that take any shine off the Clinton Presidency for me.

For me he was "Republican Lite".
This is why I pray Hillary does not get the nomination.

NO MORE CORPORATISTS!!!

:(

[Hubert Flottz]

9. "NO MORE CORPORATISTS!!!" AND...

NO MORE GLOBALISTS...What could be any more republican than "One World Government?"

We need to bring the good paying production jobs back to America...FOR AMERICANS who need BETTER jobs...like the ones we had 25 years ago! American workers have been on the fast track to hell since Ronald Reagan.

[MedleyMisty]

19. Do you have proof of that?

I mean, yeah, he's intelligent, but 180 is far out of the "optimum IQ" range. Once you get past 150 or so, it becomes hard to relate to other people and to adjust to society. Plus most people won't accept leaders with more than around a 30 point difference in IQ.

Found this on Snopes.

http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

[L. Coyote]

40. They are 186 and 93, respectively!

The experts had a difficult time estimating Bush's because he hasn't written anything yet!

[Mnemosyne]

3. A Rhodes scholar and then a dunce.

Morning HF! :hi:

[Hubert Flottz]

5. I don't think he's smart enough to be a decent dunce!

Maybe a small soap dish in an airport men's room, or a crash test dummy.

[Mnemosyne]

37. I'm not sure * would qualify as smart as a

urinal cake.

I used to say someone was as dumb as a box of rocks, * couldn't qualify as that smart.

We really shouldn't insult soap dishes, urinal cakes and crash test dummies like this Hubie! :evilgrin:

[malaise]

8. The Rogue scholar

I love it. :D

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Thanks...the thought woke me up this morning.

:hug:

[Eagle_Eye]

13. The Rogue mauler, spending money like a drunken sailor

I don't just mean money as in dollar bills either.

little george is spending the capitol of the American reputation around the world. Other countries now hate us.

little george is spending the capabilities of the military on an illegal war in Iraq, and soon he will bankrupt us in Iran.

little george is spending our Constitutional Rights to protect himself from being caught in his illegal schemes.

There is nothing like having a drunk running the show.

[spanone]

16. he's no scholar of any ilk.

[Hubert Flottz]

32. W went to the pay your fee get your C schools, on Poppy's wad.

Jr. was probably AWOL from school half the time, if the truth be told. It looks like the things the teachers told him, on the days he was sober enough to show up for classes, went in one ear and right out the other one. He is still failing to this day and now you and me are paying for it.

[Vinca]

17. It's hard to imagine how far we've fallen. nt

[L. Coyote]

27. We need a President elected with more than FIVE votes after cheating in FL

When will America wake up to the illegal voter purging in Florida that led to the FIVE votes putting the Junta in power.

[Hubert Flottz]

31. We the people are awake, it's the congress critters that are in...

corporate zombie mode...going along to get along, right over the cliff.

[Larkspur]

34. Bill was also a Philanderer and a Corporate Welfare Queen

and his philandering hurt Gore's campaign in 2000.

Bill's support of supporting corporations over workers hurt the Dems throughout his Admin. Under Bill Clinton the Dem Party went into decline and did not start to turn it around until Howard Dean's campaign fired up activists in 2003-04 to challenge Repukes and work to take our party back from the corporate welfare queens.

[yurbud]

35. Dems gave us a Rhodes scholar, GOP gave us a roads hazard (drunk driver)

[paparush]

47. And his *hic* fatal car crashing (drinky? drinky?) wife.

[Ilsa]

39. Actually, they gave us a C student attending college on a legacy.

I bet he paid someone else to do his homework for him, too.

[Hubert Flottz]

42. W makes the likes of Fred Thompson seem like a smart person!

No other president in the history of our country gave a single tax cut when the country was at war. Bush has given his friends and donors at least four since 9/11. Then they wonder why we are going broke beyond belief.

If Jane had 6 apples and George stole 1234324534678989089 of Jane's apples, how many apples would Jane have?

Bush would answer...Jane is headed in the right direction...she's WINNING!

[opihimoimoi]

41. The Diff is so vast its laughable....Bush canardly talk about anything of substance, he being unread

and lazy....

Clinton speaks with credibility cept when caught with unzipped pants...

Bush speaks as if he a teacher to 8 year olds...

[Hubert Flottz]

43. Have you noticed how Bush only visits grade school kids.

High school kids would ask real questions and bush has no real answers, only lies and tall tales. He sees Iraq blown all to hell and people still hauling ass to get out of that country to save their asses and thinks that is "WINNING!" The PNAC's brain dead royal cheerleader can't even tell if the team is losing?

Tells the GOPers that they can win in 2008, if they run on his sorry assed record? I hope they are as stupid and as arrogant as he is and that they do just exactly as he has told them to do.

Mr. 29%, has about a 29 IQ at best because...if W had 78987 brain cells and he killed 678989098765432343 of his brain cells with dope and booze, IMHO the GOP is way up shitcreek, with plenty of rude and crude, but with no Evinrude!

[opihimoimoi]

46. Brain Cells damaged from overuse of LUDES...Dude.....ya forgot da LUDEs

LOL....

[Hubert Flottz]

44. About Bush and Oxford...

George couldn't pour piss out of an oxford, or a boot either one, with a spigot on the toe and the directions on the heel. And he's the GOP's "Top Hand!" The best they had in 2000 and 2004! The GOPer's best has turned out to be America's WORST!

[opihimoimoi]

45. Top Dufus is a shoo in for that Stall of Blame and Shame Award they give out every once in awhile

for the ones who make it BIG....

Can you imagine if he ever writes a BOOK???? Never mind a LETTER.....

He don't read, he dont write, he don't unnerstan...he don't win,,,cept when cheatin and Lying his ass off.

Hell, Ever since he put that Presidenshul Seal on his DICK, he can't even piss in them boots without wetting his pants....

That Hall of Losership they have in England...Bush had to bribe his way in....not knowing the diff.

Hubert....we have an Undiluted Idiot with Cronies no ess in the White House...this is APPALLING and truely SHAMEFUL for AMERICA

[Hubert Flottz]

50. George is dumber than a day old euglena...

And that is cutting him a lot of slack!

And I don't like to bring it up or nothin', but he's the best the GOPers had/have!

[opihimoimoi]

51. Them Euglenas got mo brains than 88% of the Pubs....even 56 day old eugleans got mo brains than Bush

Bush has nom'd for the Hall of Blame for the 6th time...always a bridesmaid never a bride...he is hopeful this year he gonns win...he has gone over board blaming everyone else for his Presidenshul probs...da bugger....

[MurrayDelph]

48. Wrong punchline.

In 1992 the democrats gave America a Rhodes scholar for president.

In 2000 the US Supreme Court gave America a Road Apple for president.

[Hubert Flottz]

49. ROTFLMAO!

You got that right!