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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:24 PM
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Jane Smiley's brilliant summary of why we REALLY went into Iraq.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/whos-sorry-now_b_67605.html

SNIP

The Iraqi exiles thought they would use the American government and military to get their country back. The Neocons and Israel thought they would use the Americans to get rid of Saddam and remake the Middle East so that Israel would be more secure. Rove thought he would use "war" to entrench his power base. Cheney thought he would use the exiled Iraqis to get access to Iraqi oil fields and to establish an authoritarian presidency in the US. Bush thought he would use everyone to get a sense that he had both avenged his father and outdone him. Tony Blair thought he would use his alliance with Bush to press some of his own programs, like helping Africa and distinguishing Britain from Europe. Rumsfeld thought he would use the war to remake and outsource the army, thereby enriching his friends. Erik Prince thought he would use the American taxpayers to get rich and also to move toward an American theocracy. The religious right thought they would use the war and consequent "patriotism" issues to consolidate, fleece, and militarize their base. The Free Market theorists thought they would use taxpayer money to experiment with privatizing the Iraqi economy. The result is failure and recrimination, not to mention a refusal by almost every one of these people to take responsibility for what they've done. As they see it these days, bad things in Iraq just happened somehow.

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The clusterf**k of opportunism that is the last seven years was bound to end in a cluster of fingerpointing and grievance. People hate feeling used and betrayed, even as they are using and betraying others. Remember when Bush expressed his annoyance at the ingratitude of the Iraqis? And have you noted the resentment of the religious right at being the last to know that nobody in the Bush administration actually cares about their agenda? Were the Republicans grateful to Katherine Harris? Nope -- they let her humiliate herself in front of the whole nation. Those Iraqis -- they sure don't show much loyalty to Blackwater. Even Alan Greenspan has done what he can to divorce himself from the very people he sucked up to five years ago.

Is it possible to have no sense of civic responsibility at all? Yes -- that's what Free Market theory, and the last generation of Republican culture is about. It elevates commerce and deal-making above every other human activity, and therefore glorifies opportunism. A generation of coaching by Free Market gurus has robbed Americans of the means of a decent existence.The reason we can't get out of Iraq is that none of the opportunists dares to admit why he or she wanted to make a war there in the first place, and so we, the American people, don't actually know what the goal was and can't ever judge whether it has been achieved. Though Cheney's goal was to secure the oil, he can't admit that to the Iraqis, who don't want to give up the oil. If the Iraqis' goal was to use our military to fight the battle and then take over themselves, they ceded that goal every time they flattered the Americans. If the Israelis consider their existence to be worth every American sacrifice of money, corruption, and human life, they dare not say so. If the military industrial complex really is happy to profit from death and destruction, do they actually pretend to their children that they are human? A lot of PTSD says they do. I could go on.

In order to gain power, the Republicans long ago (and knowingly, thanks, Mr. Atwater and others) handed the citizenry, and themselves, a bill of goods, a set of philosophical and economic ideas that were bankrupt. The citizenry, suckers that we were, bought it because it appealed to their worst selves. The price we have paid and will continue to pay in Iraq for this bad bargain is a steep one, and could break the bank. But if we don't understand how we got here, we could buy it again, because the politicians and the pundits still have it for sale.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:32 PM
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1. The third paragraph sums up the entire mess and why a graceful exit .
isn't possible anymore (but we still must get out now).

Love Jane Smiley and had the opportunity to meet this very smart, funny woman.

K&R
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:36 PM
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6. Have you read her fiction?
I especially loved Moo.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:47 PM
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9. Not all of it, but I loved "Moo." I didn't know she blogged at HuffPo but
thanks to your post I've bookmarked it.

Now that Molly's no longer here, Smiley might well fill some of the void. Thanks!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:52 PM
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11. No one will ever replace Molly, but Jane is awesome in her own way.
:hi:
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:07 PM
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19. I had that exact thought while reading this!
That Jane may have stepped into the Molly breach. This is great stuff.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:41 PM
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2. Lots of scary people were allied to accomplish this
But it wasn't a failure. Mere delays..Iran and Syria up next, and Bushco is getting annoyed that their puppet Iraqi Gov't is refusing to sign their oil over. I seem to recall threats of putting a dictator back in...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:55 PM
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3. A clusterf**k of opportunism! EXACTLY! K&R!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:59 PM
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4. Bears repeating
The Iraqi exiles thought they would use the American government and military to get their country back. The Neocons and Israel thought they would use the Americans to get rid of Saddam and remake the Middle East so that Israel would be more secure. Rove thought he would use "war" to entrench his power base. Cheney thought he would use the exiled Iraqis to get access to Iraqi oil fields and to establish an authoritarian presidency in the US. Bush thought he would use everyone to get a sense that he had both avenged his father and outdone him. Tony Blair thought he would use his alliance with Bush to press some of his own programs, like helping Africa and distinguishing Britain from Europe. Rumsfeld thought he would use the war to remake and outsource the army, thereby enriching his friends. Erik Prince thought he would use the American taxpayers to get rich and also to move toward an American theocracy. The religious right thought they would use the war and consequent "patriotism" issues to consolidate, fleece, and militarize their base. The Free Market theorists thought they would use taxpayer money to experiment with privatizing the Iraqi economy. The result is failure and recrimination, not to mention a refusal by almost every one of these people to take responsibility for what they've done. As they see it these days, bad things in Iraq just happened somehow.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:39 PM
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7. I thought it was an amazing paragraph. You can see why she's a
great novelist -- the way she could pull all of these threads together in such a vivid way.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:54 PM
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12. my question is, wtf did the democrats that voted for this think they would get?
same as the neocons???

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:03 PM
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14. I think part of it was fear.
Bush had overwhelming popular support in the year after 9/11 -- as hard as that might be to remember now. So they were concerned about not doing the popular thing.

But there was also another pragmatic reason. It really didn't matter whether the Dems voted in October 2002 to approve the IWR or not. If the Dems had voted en masse against it, all Bush would have had to do was wait until January, when the new Republican majority took over the Senate. Then he would have had his preferred version of the IWR -- that authorized him to attack not just Iraq, but Iran, or anywhere in the middle east. (Chuck Hagel says the original version said anywhere in the world.) Instead, the Dems worked with the Rethugs in October to pass a more restrictive (they hoped) IWR. It has worked in the sense that Bush hasn't (yet) invaded Iran or any other country besides Iraq. But it failed to restrain Bush from kicking out the weapons inspectors and attacking Iraq without finding WMD. And now, of course, the Dems who voted for this compromise bill -- to avoid a worse one down the pike -- are being blamed for supporting the war.



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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:37 PM
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18. It didn't really stop them
Bush claims the IWR gives him free license to "fight terrorism" anywhere in the world. Mate that with the Military commissions act of 2006, and he can declare anyone, anywhere, with no evidence a terrorist or terrorist group...Oh, yeah, and the Kyle-Lieberman amendment declared Iran's revolutionary guard to be such an organization by 92-3.

I'm really having trouble seeing how they're protecting us from "The Decider" AT ALL.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:13 PM
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20. I think they were trying, but it certainly doesn't seem like they were
very successful. (Although I think we would have already bombed Iran by now if Bush had gotten his preferred IWR.)
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:34 PM
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22. He's not waiting on approval
He's trying to get France, Britain and Germany on board. It's like a bad soap opera! We've seen all this before, but they act like this is the first time.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think about our Dem leaders. Everyone screams "cowards" and "morons." I don't buy it. They're not stupid, political inept, or spineless. They're either in on it, or they're being held hostage.

Both options are far from reassuring.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:05 PM
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15. That's what I could not understand because
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 07:05 PM by zidzi
I thought I saw it so clearly. It really tore me up that hillary, Kerry, and Edwards voted for it. That's why I turned to Dean right off the bat after Gore said he wasn't going to run.

In trying to answer your question..maybe. Or some thought the war would go well like cheney and rummy promised and they didn't want to be on the wrong side of the vote when it came time for 2004 and 2008. :(
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:05 PM
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5. Great summary of the motives of these sick, greedy people.
Worth the read. :thumbsup:
Thanks!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:40 PM
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8. You're welcome. Smiley is one of my favorite bloggers.
And authors.

:)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:48 PM
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10. Thank you for this post, pnwmom..
This is what some of us were saying from the beginnning only more succintly..that nothing in Iraq would turn out right because it was based on lies and greed.

I'm bookmarking this to send out and Recommending it!~

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:55 PM
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13. You're welcome. When I see something this good,
it's nice to know that there are people like you who will want to read it, too.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:10 PM
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16. A brilliant piece indeed...
...K & R!

:kick:
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:26 PM
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17. She is a fantastic writer
Wow, ex-BushCo administration officials are having bad dreams? Gosh, let's break out the violins for them. :nopity:

Thanks for posting this!
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:22 PM
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21. Excellent analysis
I've always said that different people had different reasons for wanting to start this war. Smiley adds a few wrinkles that I hadn't thought of.

Thanks!
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