Nancy Pelosi > Sheehan

[Zandor]

ACCOMPLISHED

First minimum wage increase in 10 years

9/11 Commission recommendations to screen all air cargo and overseas port cargo, improving communications between first responders

Tough rules to establish highest ethical standards in Congressional history

Most sweeping lobby and ethics reform in a generation, hailed by reform groups as “landmark reform” and “a sea of change”

Pay-as-you-go budget discipline restored to end six years of deficit spending

Fiscal discipline that produces a balanced budget by 2012

A comprehensive Innovation and Competitiveness agenda to double basic research & development and reinvest in math and science education

Emergency funding to support and equip troops, including tripling Mine-Resistant Ambush
Protected (MRAP) vehicles in Iraq

Tighter rules against foreign investment that weaken national security, after the Dubai Ports scandal
Reduction of backlog on passports after 9/11 requirement through hiring boost

Benchmarks and progress report required on Iraq
Emergency assistance to protect children’s health coverage

Overdue disaster aid to farmers and ranchers
Overdue hurricane aid to rebuild Gulf Coast housing, hospitals, schools, and levees

Emergency funding to fight wildfires
U.S. Attorney appointments protected from political influence

Vigorous Congressional oversight restored after six years, saving billions of taxpayer dollars, exposing corruption and incompetence

Green the Capitol plan launched to cut carbon footprint 50%

National Summit on America’s Children to align policies with latest science

ON PRESIDENT’S DESK FOR APPROVAL

Largest expansion of college aid since GI Bill

HEADED FOR PRESIDENT’S DESK FOR APPROVAL


Key Flood Control and Waterway Restoration Re-investment, including for Gulf Coast

PASSED HOUSE AND SENATE

Health coverage for 6 million children protected and millions more eligible children to enroll

New quality care standards for wounded military personnel

Energy Independence initiative to promote clean American renewable fuels and energy efficiency, and to reduce global warming

3.5% military pay raise, larger than President’s proposal

Head Start preschool improved and expanded
Reform of unethical practices by student loan industry

Authorizing prosecution of gas price gouging and OPEC price fixing

Sweeping reform of prescription drug safety
PASSED HOUSE

Largest increase for veterans’ health care in history

Major new investments in equipment and training for troops to meet the worst readiness crisis since the Vietnam War

3,000 new border patrol agents, tougher aviation and port security funded

Farm Bill for 21st century shifts priorities to family farmers, crop diversity, nutrition, and biofuels

Clean, renewable energy spurred with $3 billion investment

Incentives for small business innovation to compete globally

Federal small business loans made more affordable
Small businesses guaranteed fair access to federal contracts

Voter deception made a federal crime, voter intimidation penalties increased

Seniors’ access to doctors protected
Discrimination based on genetics banned in health care

Safe drinking water efforts expanded

50,000 new police officers on the street

Background checks for gun purchases improved nationwide

Collective bargaining rights allowed for public safety officers nationwide

Protection for employees who suffer pay discrimination based on sex, race, or age
Government contracting reformed to stop waste, fraud, and abuse

Whistleblower protections strengthened

Public access to Presidential records restored

Public access to government strengthened through Freedom of Information Act reforms

Members of Congress barred from putting spouses on campaign payrolls

Shareholders given a vote on excessive executive pay


VETOED BY PRESIDENT OVER WILL OF PEOPLE

Timetables to responsibly redeploy troops from Iraq

Expansion of life-saving medical research on stem cells

BLOCKED BY SENATE REPUBLICANS

Rotation out of war zone requirement for strained troops

Free choice for workers to bargain for better wages and benefits

Medicare required to negotiate cheaper prescription drugs

D.C. voting rights in Congress


http://www.speaker.gov/legislation?id=0053

[LoZoccolo]

1. Recommended!

:kick:

[cali]

2. I'm disappointed in Pelosi

but I'd take her over Sheehan anyday.

[Zandor]

3. Fair enough

She didn't meet the expectations of some. But she is a woman of far more accomplishments than Sheehan.

[scorpiogirl]

13. Well, she's a life long politician if you consider that an accomplishment n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

34. Life long?

She was 47 years old before running for public office.

[scorpiogirl]

38. Ok, 30 years. I think most people would consider that a career.

It's also long enough to know better. I don't agree wtih many of her current decisions.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. 20 years

She was first elected in 1987.

but keep trying.

[scorpiogirl]

43. Yes, you are correct: 20 years.

You are more than entitled to love her. Enjoy!

[MonkeyFunk]

49. I'm enjoying

that you feel the need to pretend you weren't totally wrong when you said she was a lifelong politician.

Most people would just say "Whoops... my mistake. Thanks." I admire your moxie.

[scorpiogirl]

59. Oh, jeez.

Ok, I saw my math mistake just before you posted about the 20 years and it was before I had a chance to edit my post. Then I said you were correct. Did you not read that? Were there some magical words I was supposed to use to point out that you were correct other than my saying you were correct? I stand by my assertion that 20 years is still a career politician. I still don't like her decisions as of late. There you have it. Interesting interpretation you had though.

[MonkeyFunk]

65. but your original assertion

was NOT that she's a career politican. It's that she's a life-long politician.

You were wrong.

[hfojvt]

117. a question of perspective

when I was 18, I voted against my 3 term Senator. He had been in the Senate as long as I had been alive. 20 years seems like a lifetime to many who are under 26.

[scorpiogirl]

143. Thank you for understanding my point. n/t

[whathappened]

187. bs

she is a life long political nut just like you and i , what is going on in her head has been there for years , not just since she was elected to any office , these asshat politian are deeply embeded in there lifes journey to lead something in there lifes , she chose to be what she is

[mondo joe]

73. Just admit you were wrong in the first place, You're embarassing yourself now.

Pelosi isn't a lifelong polititian as you said she was.

[proud2BlibKansan]

84. Wasn't her dad also a politician?

I think it is only fair to call her a lifelong politician since she grew up in a political family.

[MonkeyFunk]

116. Is Chelsea Clinton

a politician? Is Amy Carter? Linda Bird Johnson? What a strange definition of "politician" you have!

[proud2BlibKansan]

153. My dad was a teacher

That gave me an advantage when I began my teaching career. I grew up in a classroom. So yes, the child of a politician does have experience and knowledge that are benefits.

[MonkeyFunk]

155. My father was a teacher, too

doesn't make me a teacher.

The narrow issue under discussion is whether Nancy Pelosi is a "life time politician".

She is not. It's very simple.

[cali]

169. My father was a scholar specializing

in Sumer and the Epic of Gilgamesh. Guess what? I'm not.

[proud2BlibKansan]

262. No!!!

What a shock!! You not a scholar??
:sarcasm:

[kirby]

234. Who is Linda Bird?

Who is "Linda Bird Johnson"?

[MonkeyFunk]

264. She spells it "Lynda" now

but she was born Linda. Lyndon Johnson's elder daughter. Married to Chuck Robb, former Governor of Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Bird_Johnson

[Exultant Democracy]

237. OMG, she was running the biggest political machine in SF before she ran for office.

I don't have an ax to grind regarding Cindy and Nancy, but give me a break Nancy is an old school politico.

[MonkeyFunk]

265. That wasn't the assertion

I was disputing.

[MrMickeysMom]

39. Yet...

(and I know this argument is not even arguable) I believe given the same circumstances in life, Sheehan would have made the tougher and bolder decisions with less distraction of holding on to personal power.

I wonder if there is such a hybrid left in the US Congress?

[roguevalley]

55. Have someone in the war and you'll vote for satan to get them home.

I love Cindy. I would vote for her if it got Hannah home. Nancy Pelosi is a sham. She should be bringing the end of war vote to the floor EVERY SINGLE DAy until the fuckers crumble from the publicity of voting against the wishes of 70% OF THE PEOPLE. I cannot fathom the cowardice and sell out that is our leadership.

[cali]

69. Voting for Sheehan wouldn't get your Hannah

home. Even if, by some miracle, she got in, she'd be a back bencher and inconsequential.

And sorry, you don't seem to know how the House works.

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[Virginia Dare]

95. Tom Foley's defeat didn't bring sweeping term limits..

to Congress like many had predicted. And the morans who voted him out and voted Nethercutt in got what they deserved.

[cali]

100. This is just ridiculous. Cindy Sheehan has made some

of the most foolish remarks imaginable. She's useless to the anti-war movement and she's a laughable candidate for anything.

[roguevalley]

119. I don't care. Anyone running against Pelosi is better than Pelosi.

Laughable? The dead aren't laughing and neither am I. I want everyone, including my Hannah out of that hell hole and if replacing a few of the quizlings we have now is how we start, fine. Foolish?!>?!?!?! Have SOMEONE IN THE DAMNED WAR AND SEE IT FOR THIS SIDE!!!!
THE ONLY FOOLISH REMARKS ARE PELOSI'S SAYING SHE CAN'T DO WHAT WE SENT THEM ALL THERE TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marrah_G]

127. I want my loved one home also

But I am smart enough to realize there is no way that Cindy Sheehan can make that happen by being a congresswoman and also respect Pelosi for doing a job that is rough in the best of times.

The world is not going to change to a liberal Utopia with a wave of a wand. It takes time and political strategy to make positive changes.

I also know that although things aren't going exactly as I want them to, my representative and Senator are working hard for my interests.

Right now there is little we can do beyond marching and constantly voicing our dissent. The reality is that the war is going to last longer then our loved ones deployment whether we like it or not. The best course of action is to work towards a Democratic President and avoid having to say good bye to our loved ones for additional tours.

[roguevalley]

134. no, but anyone seeing Pelosi's head rolling will know why and they

will do what all politicians do, change their votes because they want to remain in office. its the way they are. if she's not sacred, none of them are. There is no greater issue in this world, next to global warming, that is more important. period.

[proud2BlibKansan]

160. Wow when did you become a spokesman for the anti-war movement?

Are you even IN the anti-war movement? :eyes:

[Marrah_G]

123. "that cow", 'Fuck Pelosi"

What message board have I landed on?

[roguevalley]

126. one that lives in the real world. some of us are on our last nerve

over this issue. pardon me if I have a girl over there.

[Marrah_G]

128. I have someone there also

Slinging nasty remarks at our party leaders isn't going to get him home any faster.

[roguevalley]

130. no, but it expresses my feelings most clearly. I don't expect anyone

to read what I say or agree with it. BUt it is my authentic feeling. I see more war coming, more dead and wounded. This smells and feels like the end of the world and it is past the time of dancing around. EVEN A MAJORITY of the country doesn't matter to these people. I loathe what we all have become. I fear for the future. I hope Hannah comes home in one piece.

[Marrah_G]

136. I can understand how you are feeling

And I want this over yesterday, but lashing out at our own isn't going to make that happen any faster.

please believe me when I say that even though we differ on tactics, our end goal is the same. We want them home safe and whole and to never have to go back.

What branch is your daughter?

[roguevalley]

139. air force. some days are better than others. agony, agony, agony

my hannah went because of the group cohesion they are fostering in their units. she was talked into it. she's my little cousin and I helped raise her. she's a daughter to my heart. even in the air force and coast guard over there, there is no safety.

[ShortnFiery]

141. Do you have anyone in your immediate family who has served recently in the active duty military?

My husband and father are retired USMC and retired USA, respectively. Both my brother and I have served in the Active Duty Army and we live presently in a community that is mostly a mix of Active Duty and Retired Military Officers.

I'm not trying to get into a contest with you but the feelings are "more raw" for those of us who have friends and family presently serving in the M.E.

However, I'm thankful that you choose to understand that emotions run high at this time. :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

140. One of my husband's good friends has significant hearing loss due to an IED.

He counts himself lucky that it was only hearing damage and not brain/physical injury. :shrug:

May Our Higher Power Bless your Hannah. I served in the Army during Saint Reagan's era. At least he was much more diplomatic than the Neo-Cons we have now.

For what it's worth, I can fully empathize with your thoughts and sentiments. :hug: :hi:

[midnight]

206. This is a valid point..... The process, and the people, and her

status as a back bencher. But what do you think about not following the law?

[glowing]

208. Personal attacks are cruel.. You are smooth operator. You nail

someone in the cruelest way... I've seen your posts before. Healthy discussion is good. Cruel intentions are not. Anyone who has to deal with a family member at war, and that does include me, has every reason to come up with any ridiculous notion to get their loved one's home in one peice... including the mind.

These attacks are absolutely ridiculous. Why even bring it up? Whoever posted this ridiculous subject is absolutely without due conscience. And I beleive its their turn to serve or serve up their children... When you know complete exasperation... let me know. And do not feed me some fucked up line about choices in life...

[niceypoo]

176. I wouldnt

Bush would be in impeachment hearings right now if Sheehan was in her shoes

[Whoa_Nelly]

4. But, Nancy chose to ignore the call to impeach

We, the American voters, are being largely ignored regarding impeachement.

It was not her place to take impeachment off the table.

It was her place to uphold the Constitution.

Perhaps there's just not enough of the Constitution left to uphold.

Perhaps the shredding is so complete, that it merely sifts through Pelosi's fingers, and there is no lawful way remaining to hold the BushCo/PNAC criminals accountable for their high crimes and misdemeanors.

This war would have been over if the impeachment process had begun when the Democrats took the house and senate.

Cheney and Bush would have had to stand down, even amid all their smoke and mirrors tactics, and their ongoing dog and pony show.

[cali]

6. bush and cheney would have had to stand down?

What planet do you live on? If, by a miracle, impeachment had passed the House, there are not 67 votes in the Senate to convict. And it really would take a dead boy to get enough repuke Senators on board.

[FedUp_Queer]

253. That is not the test to impeach.

The duty of the House is to impeach. It is not to consider the duties of the "other body." That at least hearings on the subject did not start from day one is despicable.

[Freddie Stubbs]

15. She promised to take impeachment off the table, and months later voters gave her a majority

Perhaps impeachment is not a high priority of most Americans.

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. Actually, no, she took it off the table AFTER the Dems regained Congress

[Freddie Stubbs]

96. May 12, 2006: "impeachment is off the table; she is not interested in pursuing it,"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR2006051101950.html

[proud2BlibKansan]

101. Oh sorry I could have sworn she said it for the first time AFTER

Nov 06. Thanks for the correction.

[stimbox]

150. But...

She also said that impeachment would not be a goal of the investigations, but she added: "You never know where it leads to."

She led us on.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. What 'call to imeach'? That the same as the 'call to end the war'?

Neither of those 'calls' ever happened.

I am an impeachment hawk. But I know that it will go NO where until a significant majority of the country supports it. Sad to say, support has never exceeded 50%. Close, but no cigar. My job, as an impeachment hawk, is to convince the PEOPLE to support it.

[Mike Daniels]

30. Precisely. I voted Dem across the board for the first time in ages in 2006

and I wasn't casting a vote for impeachment or total withdrawal from Iraq. I voted for a change in the way the war was being conducted and I'm sure that's what the majority of the non-purists who voted across the board Dem this year were voting for as well.


Not quite sure we got as much change in Iraq as we hoped but that's the breaks when veto-proof majorities don't exist.

[alberg]

244. Money is the only way to get through to the Dems

My progressive friends and I have started to return every solicitation we get from non- responsive sections of the Democratic Party with the words "No $'s until Impeachment !!!" written in large red letters across the contribution request form. Perhaps a few hundred thousand of these showing up in the mailboxes of the Democratic leadership over the next few months will get their attention. Pass the word and let's see if we can get this to go viral. If they do the right thing and impeach, we can always double our contributions later on to make up for the "missing" money.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Off to The Greatest Page with ya.

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[Blue-Jay]

8. Ugh.

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[robinlynne]

9. You've got to be kidding! budget discipline? I couldn't get past that one.

450 billion extra dollars to the war just this month?

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[cali]

14. It may well be flamebait

but if you mean the comparison is moronic, I don't agree. Disappointed as I am in Pelosi, if faced with the choice I'd easily vote for her over Sheehan. And if Sheehan were running in my very liberal state, she wouldn't stand a chance either.

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[cali]

20. Perhaps

but that's exactly what's going to happen if Sheehan stays in and runs against Pelosi.

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[EnviroBat]

19. My thoughts exactly.

Try comparing apples to apples next time...

[sufrommich]

24. I think the point of the OP is that

Pelosi's record is impressive regardless of how some have been attempting to demonize her lately. She's a good Democrat. Zandor's Op is not a steaming pile of flamebait to a lot of us who are tired of seeing good Democrats constantly kicked it the head here.

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[Zandor]

27. Nope

A moderate Democrat.

[bluedog]

46. exactly right on

also shows that Sheehan has no experience of any kind to run for office,,,,,,she needs lessons in civics and in how a government is run.......I think her followers think she'll be speaker if she wins.........thats the impression I get from them...LOL

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. Please - which followers have given you that impression?

I am willing to bet I know a lot more about her followers than you do. And I want to know which followers you are referring to. Because I find most of her followers a lot more intelligent and definitely more hard working than the average DUer. So please, which followers are you referring to? If they are DUers and you don't want to name them, please PM me. I will be waiting for that list. Thanks.

[proud2BlibKansan]

162. Still waiting for a response, bluedog

I want to know which of Cindy Sheehan's followers think she will be Speaker if she wins the election. Please explain where you got this idea.

[Tesha]

182. No, we just *KNOW* that Nancy Pelosi won't be Squeaker any more if Cindy wins. (NT)

[truedelphi]

18. Sorry -- Mom may put groceries on the table and give the kids the

Allowance that Dad promised.

But if she is letting Dad beat the kids up after his nightly drunken orgies,
and doesn't think stopping the behavior is worthy of her time and trouble, well, Mom -
you are as bad as he is.

BTW, if Mom doesn't stop Dad soon, the orgies and beatings are just gonna get
bigger and badder.

[scorpiogirl]

21. Excellent analogy! n/t

[Richard Steele]

23. Nice metaphor- great post. nm

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. Exactly

Thanks - great analogy.

[lateo]

146. Indeed.

It is ridiculous to compare someone's congressional record against someone who never held office anyway.

[WillyT]

196. BINGO !!!

Well put.

[Marrah_G]

26. Unfortunately this will be flamebait.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

163. Indeed

[sufrommich]

171. What should "it" be TS'd for?

I'm amazed at how many on this board bristle at the thought of moderate Dems being "allowed" to post here.It's a board for Democrats, point out where the poster has said anything that goes against the grain of the Democratic platform.

[natrat]

240. today's moderate dem is yesterday's republican-sigh

[Forkboy]

28. You could have posted "space travel>ballet" and it would have been just as valid.

[Zandor]

29. Sheehan is challenging her and the Democratic party

Why not compare them?

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[LoZoccolo]

37. This is Democratic Underground.

Nobody has any business here endorsing anyone but Nancy Pelosi. "BUTT OUT" implies that it is right and good to even consider voting for Cindy Sheehan. San Franciscans will decide who best serves their interests, but the enemies of the Democrats will have to do it elsewhere.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

63. Since someone alerted on my first post....

I will say it another way: this will be a San Francisco election -- let us decide who we want as our representative. Whoever that may end up being. :shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

68. No way: I have every right to tell you to vote for Nancy Pelosi.

But no one has the right on Democratic Underground to tell the San Fransiscans to vote for anyone else. There is no choice here. Telling people that someone else might be better is tacitly supporting Cindy Sheehan, who is the enemy, and it should be done elsewhere.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

71. Excuse me...

but where am I telling anyone who to vote for??? I am simply saying leave the election to the people of San Francisco. We will decide who to vote for, and no one else.

[LoZoccolo]

113. Saying "leave the election to the people of San Fransisco" implies...

...that we have no business telling them that they should not vote for Cindy Sheehan. But we do. No one can use DU to say that it is OK to vote for Cindy Sheehan. And nobody here should tell people not to vote for Nancy Pelosi.

[Desertrose]

211. I don't think you should be telling ANYONE who to vote for.

Give them the information and let THEM decide who to vote for...or whether to vote at all.



This is a frikkin' message board...not the gospel according to hoe to vote for crissakes.



It used to be democratic underground...I don't know what the hell it is anymore.

[LoZoccolo]

276. I know you don't think I should.

But I think I should, so I will.

[Desertrose]

210. The *enemy*? The *enemy*??

Cindy Sheehan is the ENEMY????

My god,what the hell site IS THIS????

[LoZoccolo]

275. Like I said, Democratic Underground.

And she made herself the enemy.

[Desertrose]

281. I know you think that ....

"But I think I should, so I will."

Well then...goody for you,eh?


Remember...just because you think it, doesn't make it true.

[stimbox]

89. Exactly!

Us District 8 constituents/voters will vote for whomever WE decide is the best candidate for San Francisco.
Don't live here? Don't like it? Too bad, so sad, your Dad.

[mondo joe]

92. I agree. Pelosi won't be up for a national election - the constituents of the

district will decide who will represent them.

[MsMagnificent]

254. Oh really?

Who's an enemy to the Democrats, exactly?
(and I don't mean to the other Democratic politicians, I mean the Democratic People)

I would think a supporter would be one who fights against that lying, immoral administration instead of sucking up to them.
To me, the latter would be, if one had to categorize, "the enemy".
Guess I'm funny that way...


While I can understand your support for a Dem over any other party,
Ms. Pelosi, more & more every day, fits right into the category of a White House enabler; and a very powerful one too.

I'll be damned if I go the blind-Rethuglican route and absolutely defend 'til the end any politician simply because s/he has a 'D' after her name!
Actions speak very much more loudly than letters!

[LoZoccolo]

277. "Who's an enemy to the Democrats, exactly?"

Someone who runs against a Democrat in an election, for one.

[LSK]

45. that is really rude and short sighted

Should everyone BUTT OUT in the general when a candidate needs help too?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

67. If you are not a San Franciscan...

who will be voting on the candidates who best serves San Francisco, then yeah.

I am a San Franciscan first, a Democrat second. I have voted for candidates other than the Dem when that candidate was the superior choice for my town. And I will do so in the future if I need to.

[Moochy]

151. But But ....

The Self-Selected Crossing Guard, Zandor does not approve!

[Usrename]

33. Right, it's HER DUTY to bash MoveOn.org and not Bush.

He and his criminal cabal get a free pass while she takes aim at MoveOn.org.

Best speaker ever!!!!!111!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

83. LOL

:rofl:

[IndianaJones]

35. good points. nt.

[jgraz]

36. I agree. Nancy's doin a heckuva job.

:eyes:

[ejbr]

40. Refuses to impeach, not getting my vote n/t

[mondo joe]

42. Your profile says you live in NY. Are you voting in the San Francisco district by

absentee ballot?

[Junkdrawer]

44. Last year I donated to John Conyer's campaign...and I don't live in his district...

Just saying....

[mondo joe]

47. The poster referred to VOTING.

[ejbr]

61. Whether I vote absentee is

more important than allowing our country to go down the toilet, thanks to Ms. Impeachment if Off the Table? You have impeccable priorities...oh, wait.

[mondo joe]

66. There is no issue of priorities here. I'm simply asking about your post.

It doesn't mean a thing about priorities.

[ejbr]

70. You took the time to review my profile

it has everything to do with priorities.

[mondo joe]

72. No, my priorities are unchanged - I'm just taking my DU time and using it

for DU. It took all of a second to look at your profile. What do you think I might have done to restore America with that second?

[ejbr]

75. What DOES IT MATTER whether I can vote for her or not?

WHAT MATTERS IS THAT SHE REFUSES TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY! And EVEN IF I could or could not vote for her, she would handily win her election because of people who are so myopic that they think my voting or not voting for her, having the ability or inability of voting for her is more pressing than the consequences of her inaction. Whether it took you five years or one millisecond to check my profile, you have demonstrated (to me, at least) that you believe that discussing the reasons for my not wanting to vote for her take second place to whether I can or not. Sorry, unimpressed.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

86. Perfect response!

Well said! :applause:

[Freddie Stubbs]

48. Did you vote for her last time?

:shrug:

[stimbox]

52. I'm in District 8 and she's not getting my vote this time around.

Refuses to impeach, ignores her constituents, continues to allow funding of the occupation, so I can no longer support her in good conscience.

[backscatter712]

50. If she was doing her job,

none of the latest violations of our Constitutional rights - like the FISA bill, would have ever made it to the House floor.

Explain to me why this shit goes through?

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. Because a majority of the House wants it to go through

[backscatter712]

94. If the majority wanted that shit bad enough, they could do a discharge petition.

Pelosi's well within her rights to refuse to bring a shitty unconstitutional piece of legislation to the floor, even with the GOP and the DINOs coming together and demanding it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

98. They could, but that would not have changed the final outcome

[backscatter712]

112. No, but Pelosi would have a soul.

Beside, aren't discharge petitions a real pain in the ass? They can't be done for every bill that the Speaker or a committee chairman tries to bury.

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[TwilightZone]

54. Curious...to those objecting to the message of the OP, are you objecting to the message...

or the messenger?

[Rhythm and Blue]

56. Zandor,

thank you. Seriously. Thank you. You've posted some stupid shit before, but you've come through with good things too. Sometimes I wonder what your motivation is, yeah. But this? This is excellent. People need to remember that, despite the Repubicans blocking Iraq legislation, the Democratic-majority 110th Congress has managed to do some good things.

The number of deleted messages on this thread are disappointing.

[Zandor]

57. Thanks

I'm sure you've posted some stupid shit too, but we agree on this.

[Yukari Yakumo]

90. Good point

The number of deleted messages on this thread are disappointing.

Maybe the place needs a few more tombstones.

[mmonk]

58. John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, July 7th, 1775

But a constitution of government, once changed from freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

[Baby Snooks]

60. You forgot FISA

You forgot to add the expansion of the trampling of our constitutional protections and rights under FISA to the list of her accomplishments.

Everything else she has accomplished means nothing when compared to her approval of the trampling of our constitutional protections and rights.

Congress is about to make this illegal act permanent. With Pelosi's blessing. That says quite a lot about her and her accomplishments.

Sheehan's sole mistake was not remaining in the Democratic Party and challenging her and the party from within the party.

[cali]

62. Can you tell me what's wrong with the FISA legislation

that was introduced today in the House? It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good.

[Truth2Tell]

80. What's wrong with it

is that it will never become law in its present form. The Senate version is way worse, and whatever good survives conference will be vetoed and then the leadership will capitulate. Bank it.

The way this could've been prevented would have been not to bring the original bill to the floor in the first place. Now the Dems want us to admire this shiny new barn door while the cows wander around the yard.

This bill is for show, nothing more.

[cali]

102. Have you seen the Senate version?

I haven't and I'd appreciate a link. Oh, and I don't think John Conyers does things for "show".

[Truth2Tell]

64. Wow!

That's a lot of effort to expend moving around those deck chairs. I hope everyone is comfy now. But wiat... what's that looming shadow....

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. Prays for George Bush

Says he comes from a nice family

Votes to pay for his war

Refuses to hold him accountable


ALL OF THAT trumps any 'good' she may have done.

[cali]

78. Simple is as simple does

Trouble is it doesn't do very well.

BTW, she votes against the supplemental war funding bills that are the primary vehicles for funding the war.]

I don't give a shit who she prays for or that she plays politics.

She hasn't, imo, done a stellar job in holding him accountable, but Sheehan? The comments she's made ensure she'll get no more than 15% of the vote- if that.

[Truth2Tell]

85. Guides the bills to the floor

knowing they will pass, then votes against them to cover her ass. What principle.

[proud2BlibKansan]

88. When she could prevent them from coming to the floor

in the first place.

She literally makes me ill. Worst speaker in years and an embarrassment to the party.

[onenote]

107. ever hear of something called a discharge petition?

The power of the speaker is not absolute. If it was, how could there ever have been a vote on stem cell legislation when Hastert was speaker? THere are checks and balances all throughout the system.

[proud2BlibKansan]

114. Oh please. She defends Bush's policies and prays for him

She isn't the least bit interested in challenging him or holding him accountable.

[onenote]

135. I take your answer to be an admission that you don't know much about House procedures

that's cool.

[proud2BlibKansan]

154. Actually I understand what Madame Speaker is not willing to do

Apparently you would rather defend her.

[cali]

97. Do you realize what little sense you're making?

She voted AGAINST the Iraq War Resolution, and now you're saying she wants to continue the war.

Oh, and do you realize that the repukes could move thoe bills to the floor by garnering enough signatures?? And yes, they could get them. Then she'd be out of the Speaker's chair, and you'd have Hoyer.

Oh yeah, what was her reason for voting against funding before 2006?

[Truth2Tell]

103. Not saying she wants to continue the war

just that she is politically afraid of the fight it would take to stop it. The war is more important than the Pelosi speakership. The fact that you cite that as a potential consequence of putting up a real fight exposes your confused priorities IMO.

[cali]

110. If Pelosi goes, YOU get Hoyer

and that would truly be awful. Guess what? political consequences have real world results, and that you don't grasp that, exposes an inability to grasp the most basic political realities, and very real consequences to political actions.

[WinkyDink]

81. AND YET.......

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[Hawkowl]

91. Bah!

Any weak dem rep could've managed these meager accomplishments. IF she truly was strong, she would have used the damned mandate the dems received and brought the Bush war crime machine to a screeching halt. Instead she settles for these secondary issues? Tantamount to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic !

The country is in perhaps the greatest crisis of its existence and this is the best we can do? Corporate apologists like Pelosi and Reid? Cowards? Where is our 21st century Patrick Henry? Give me liberty or give me death! Or at least imprison the war criminal! Impeachment off the table? She is the reason I no longer identify myself as a democrat.

[cali]

99. More ignorance.

She may not be strong, but the dems didn't get a mandate anymore than bushco ever did. They got a mixed message. Furthermore, tell me precisely what she should have done.

Imprison bush? What tripe. Yes, I wish they'd impeached, but that wouldn't have succeeded either.

Glad to hear you no longer identify as a dem. The party is dim enough as it is.

[Name removed]

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[bluescribbler]

239. Dems have no mandate

No more of a mandate than B*sh has. A mandate would be a veto-proof majority in both houses. We don't have that.

[mmonk]

105. This congress has passed some legislation like any other.

But it has failed to defend the constitution and the rule of law and has given more power to bush than is allowed by the constitution and has paid for an escalation of the war in Iraq. Since she has a majority in the House of Representatives, I would call her a failure as speaker. Cindy Sheehan is not in government.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

106. ...

"First minimum wage increase in 10 years"

It was a pittance. Minimum wage is still way to low.

"9/11 Commission recommendations to screen all air cargo and overseas port cargo, improving communications between first responders"

Plugging a security gap isn't much of an accomplishment. Certainly not something that deserves credit.

"Tough rules to establish highest ethical standards in Congressional history"

Pelosi lies through her teeth and continues to support the war. There's nothing ethical about her.

"Fiscal discipline that produces a balanced budget by 2012"

She's dumping billions of dollars in to a big bottomless pit. There's nothing fiscally disciplined about it.

"Emergency funding to support and equip troops, including tripling Mine-Resistant Ambush
Protected (MRAP) vehicles in Iraq "

My point exactly.

"Emergency assistance to protect children’s health coverage "

There's 720,000 dead kids in Iraq, and rising.

"Largest increase for veterans’ health care in history "

Too bad that about that large increase in veterans needing health care.

[BuyingThyme]

108. Nancy Pelosi > U.S. Constitution

[defendandprotect]

109. What makes you think that Cindy Sheehan wouldn't be for these measures -- or more?????

[cali]

115. Cindy Sheehan hasn't a clue as to how to legislate

so whether she'd be for them or not, isn't germane. She certainly wouldn't be able to get them passed- or anything else.

[defendandprotect]

118. Pelosi has evidently even disappointed her California supporters ----

What we're talking about is ending the war --- and impeaching Bush/Cheney for their criminal actions.
I think Cindy Sheehan has a more realistic view on both of those issues.

[cali]

122. Right.

Because you know all there is to know about being Speaker and you're fully cognizant of all the pitfalls. And Cindy Sheehan is just so realistic with comments about how the dems started all the wars in the 20th century and that the income tax is unconstitutional and that the dems are the party of slavery. Yep. I get it now.

[defendandprotect]

124. No, because a California here has told us that they are "disappointed" ---

read it --

But, gee, how difficult it would be to learn the protocol of the USHR -- !!!
Evidently, even Santorum could do that -- Frist? Helms? Specter?
We even expect our school kids to understand the process and teach it to them.
Try watching a little C-span . . . that might get you over this silly idea.

[cali]

138. It's not about learning protocols

it's about building relationships, learning ins and outs, and according to my new Senator, Bernie Sanders, it isn't a cakewalk, and Bernie was the most effective rep when it came to getting amendments passed, during the repuke years of control, of any rep in the House.

Gee, why would I believe Bernie, over you??

[bridgit]

166. pft-bwahahahaha, got'cha, and the last guy that was sent packing back to DC...

for on the job training was Bush :thumbsup: that's no deal closer for me :thumbsdown:

[walldude]

111. So let me make sure I have my marching orders correct here

Pelosi-Great. Sheehan-The Enemy. Posting on DU only allowed if I follow the Democrats right off the cliff. Anyone who runs against a Democrat is the enemy and if I want to endorse a candidate without a "D" next to their name I should butt out.. Hookay, I think I have it now. Give me enough time to get my lobotomy and I'll be ready to follow orders like a good little puppy.

[Zandor]

120. Pelosi is a woman of accomplishment. Sheehan, not so much.

It goes beyond the D.

[walldude]

125. Really? Apparently you need to read the responses in your own thread

"Nobody has any business here endorsing anyone but Nancy Pelosi"

It's my fucking business who I endorse and who I don't. Funny, I haven't had one Sheehan supporter "demand" I support her. This place used to hold dear to the values of individuality and free thinking, now it seems to be closer to "support who we tell you or BUTT OUT".

[Moochy]

149. Sad innit?

[Zandor]

202. It's DU's business who you support on their bandwidth n/t

[frog92969]

263. I thought the "Democratic" meant democracy

not Democrats whoever they're controlled by.
Being merely anti-neo-con and able to see the criminal complicity of the Democratic leaders it seems I'm not "pure" enough.

Apparently I'm in the wrong place so I'll be leaving now, I'm sure that saddens you.

BTW if I lived in SF I'd vote my neighbor's dog against Pelosi.

[LoZoccolo]

282. Maybe you should have read the rules you agreed to when you signed up.

It's all in there.

[defendandprotect]

121. Well . . .. just pretend to have had a lobotomy . .. that seems to work here -- !!!!

[LoZoccolo]

129. "Anyone who runs against a Democrat is the enemy..."

Yes.

[walldude]

131. "If you are not with us you are our enemy."

Hmmm where have I heard that one before???

[LoZoccolo]

132. It may have been in an earlier post of mine.

Go somewhere else and spam for third parties; this is Democratic Underground.

[walldude]

137. Yes that's what I'm doing, spamming for third parties

:eyes: For your information Mr Black and White, I don't think Cindy Sheehan would be a good politician. I just don't like people who use neo-con talking points on DU. And I especially don't like people who demand I follow them off a cliff. Go find yourself some lemmings, I'm sure they will be happy to follow you wherever you go.

[Zandor]

147. As a matter of fact, that's correct

Take on my party, take on me.

[Moochy]

156. A Ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUod3jGQt0U

[Lerkfish]

223. I love pogo

[deacon]

142. She's a "miserable failure" n/t

[LoZoccolo]

144. Kick.

:kick:

[Odin2005]

145. I support Pelosi and a lot more DUers should too, God damn it.

I'm sick of these naive delusions that Congress can just wave a magic wand and make the last 6.5 miserable years disappear.

Oh, and last I knew people who supported 3rd party candidates ahead of the Dems are supposed to be tombstoned. Skinner needs to get that banning rod working.

[Vidar]

279. What a disgusting post!

[Zandor]

148. This black Democrat was offended by Sheehan's "party of slavery comment"

I saw mentioned up a ways.

Enjoy your one way ticket to Irrelevance, Cindy.

[mmonk]

261. Don't be. There are skeletons in the democratic party closet.

In my state, prominent democrats in the past were part of coverups on so called riots. You can attack her from a different angle or feel however you want.

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[stillrockin]

157. ACCOMPLISHED: Pushing forward the Bushco war agenda.

:wow:

[NoodleBoy]

158. kick

I was thinking the other day how lucky we are to have the first female Speaker of the House in our party, and how her leadership could embolden more women to run for office. A few more years as Speaker, and I'll be excited at the possibility of her running for Pres. or VP.

She does her city, state, and country good.

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[bridgit]

165. yeah, fuck that dumb bitch...

:eyes:

[Marr]

161. I think you must work in one of these DINO's offices.

At least-- I hope you do. I'd hate to think you were doing this to yourself for nothing.

[Zandor]

248. I'd be honored to work for Nancy Pelosi

and help her accomplish things like those listed in the OP.

She is a Democrat in name and deed that accomplishes things. Some progressives are only happy when they're unhappy.

[bridgit]

164. Cindy's a Californian, she could do California & the nation a favor going after...

Rohrabacher, Hunter, Issa, Doolittle, any one of too many Calif house republican crap-heads already

[Zandor]

174. Her credibility is shot, I'm afraid

At one point I'd have liked that idea, but she's burned too many bridges to be a credible Democratic candidate.

[Bluebear]

167. Do you post anything but cheerless, irksome topics?

[spoony]

168. Oh, that's rich

"Top Clinton adviser Mark Penn CEO of a union-busting P.R. firm. "Doesn't labor deserve more respect?"
"Penn, Schoen and Berland has played pioneering role in the use of..exit polls to facilitate coups."
"Mark Penn's PR firm hired by alleged predatory lender Countrywide; employees must sign pledge"
'Burson-Marsteller: PR for the New World Order'
"Mark Penn's firm behind PR blitz urging pregnant women to eat more fish, mercury be damned!"

Need I really continue?

[Zandor]

172. Democratic acconplishments are cheerless and irksome?

Wow.

[Bluebear]

177. "Wow, who me?"

:eyes:

[sufrommich]

180. So are Democratic accomplishments "cheerless and irksome" ?nt

[Bluebear]

183. No, saying that Pelosi is greater than Sheehan and may she "go back to irrelevancy" surely is.

Calling Sheehan unaccomplished is rude and unnecessarily stated to just irk Sheehan supporters here, anything else?

[cali]

185. And endless attacks on Pelosi

of the ugliest nature are OK? BTW, I think Sheehan is largely irrelevant, and sorry, I don't think of her as terribly accomplished, though I do admire her for her actions that long ago summer. Since then? Not so much.

[Bluebear]

188. So if Sheehan is irrelevant it wasn't necessary to mention her in the thread title.

But if you are a fan of this poster's style, have at it.

[cali]

191. As I know you're aware that I've written OPs and posts

in stark opposition to this poster and criticized his style, your little snark is quite dishonest. And though this OP could be seen by reasonable people, aware of the OP's hx here, as flamebait, there is some validity to it, flamebait or not.

Sheehan IS running against Pelosi, remember?

[Bluebear]

194. Frankly cali, I can't remember who you support from day to day here.

God's honest truth. You can turn from ally to nemesis on a dime, so my 'little snark' is not dishonest in the least.

[cali]

197. Actually, I;m quite consistent: If I think it's bullshit

I'll oppose it- no matter where it comes from. As far as repukes go that makes it easy; it's ALL bullshit. Dems are a different matter.

[Bluebear]

217. See below.

You have a new friend lol.

My point is, you don't care for relationships here. I do. I wouldn't care to enter one of your threads with guns blazing because I have "known" you here for years. As much as you will let anybody know them, which is not much.

[Zandor]

245. Never said cali and I were friends

I was just saying cali seems to express an opinion about an issue without pretext about the poster or Democrat under discussion.

You seem to think DU is a place where groups of 'friends' just go into a thread to side with one another.

To me, that isn't useful. Engage issues instead of worrying about the other wearing the same color uniform.

[Bluebear]

267. DU *IS* a community to some of us.

[Zandor]

214. I've crossed swords with cali and will again

But s/he does seem to go right at issues, not make a judgment based on what poster or candidate is involved.

That may be why you feel s/he turns on a dime.

[sufrommich]

193. "unnecessarily stated to just irk" supporters of...

(fill in the blank). You could say that about half the threads on DU. Cindy Sheehan is rude to the Democratic Party and democrats. She demonizes us as the party of slaveholders and warmongers. What's so suspect about Democrats voicing their displeasure with her?

[Bluebear]

195. You were absent from February to August here.

Welcome back.

But you have missed threads from this poster including greatest hits such as "religious people have nothing but tolerance and love for gay people". Sorry if I am tremendously suspect of anything that comes from its keyboard.

[sufrommich]

200. I was? How could you possibly know how often I've been here?

I haven't seen all posts by said poster,but I never refer to human beings as "it". I am ,however tremendously suspect of anyone who does.

[Bluebear]

215. Great su, then you can put me on ignore and enhance your DU experience.

[sufrommich]

220. I don't put anyone on ignore

my brain doesn't go into meltdown at the thought of anonymous internet posters disagreeing with me.

[Zandor]

205. Yep

You refereed to a list of progressive congressional accomplishments as cheerless and irksome.

Strange.

[Bluebear]

216. Yes, strange, sad, any number of one-word zingers after a hard return.

Spare me.

[Zandor]

252. Your words, not mine

The OP is very upbeat.

[SlingBlade]

170. Great Job Zandor

This piece of work really sticks in the craw of those Re-Pugs questioning the work ethic
of the new Congress. As if they even had the right after the last Do Nothing Congress

Thank You for your time and effort.:bounce: :headbang: :yourock:

[Zandor]

173. I just gleemed it off the site

But your comment is appreciated.

[Bluebear]

175. Gleaned.

Oops sorry

[cali]

186. No: Gleaned. sheesh. n/t

[Bluebear]

190. Yes, thank you.

Loads.

[cali]

192. You're welcome.

Loads.

[Zandor]

203. LOL

If you're going to play grammar cop, at least make the correction right!

:rofl:

[Bluebear]

219. Spelling is not a part of grammar.

I was trying to be helpful.

:rofl:

[Zandor]

256. Thanks!

:rofl:

[sendero]

178. The plane is in midair loaded with passengers...

.. and it is in the process of making a crash landing.

Pelosi - wiped the control stick clean.
Offered words of reassurance to the passengers.
Noted that the altimeter seemed to be reading high.
Touched up her lipstick.
Took trying to avoid a crash off the table.
Cleaned the inside of the windshield.
Gave the crew a good talking to.


Sorry, bullet point itemized lists fool only the stupid. I defended Pelosi here for a long time. No more, she's useless.

[Zandor]

259. And Sheehan lit a candle...

:rofl:

[Bluebear]

266. She lost a son, she has a right to light a candle, oh cold one.

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[D23MIURG23]

181. And?

Am I supposed to be impressed or something? Yes Zandor, her legislative record is much better than some random activist who isn't a member of congress. Thank you for this brilliant observation. I wonder what your next great discovery will be.

Harry Reid > Pee Wee Herman maybe?

[BelgianMadCow]

184. Your comparison (?) is intellectually dishonest, VERY incomplete and unnecesary

What was your goal in posting this?

If you just wanted to highlight Pelosi's accomplishments, why include the Sheehan reference?

If you DID want to make a comparison, why do you only say what Pelosi has achieved (taking that from her website without any comments although many can be made as others have) and NOT include what Sheehan accomplished?

At the very least, Cindy Sheehan, just being a mom and not a paid politcian, helped put the Iraq war debacle and it's real cost front and center (in a time when showing coffins is not allowed).

And I would contend that thereby she helped get Pelosi in he position she is in now to a very respectable degree.

I am inclined to conclude your only goal was to diminish Sheehan in a sneaky way. And I fail to see what good that does. Great flamebait however.

[Bluebear]

189. You said it. nt

[BelgianMadCow]

207. *crickets* n/t

[Bluebear]

218. Marie Curie > Joan Baez

I guess. You know, accomplishments and all :)

[Rhythm and Blue]

251. Are they going to be running for the same House seat? nt

[Bluebear]

270. Are you worried about this 13 months out?

[Zandor]

257. Sheehan is running against Pelosi, a Democrat

It was meant to knock her down.

What are Sheehan's accomplishments again?

[bigtree]

198. You only gave Speaker Pelosi's accomplishments. As Pelosi is a legislator, the comparison is unfair

Plenty of new candidates begin with less of a record of accomplishments, but comparisons usually center on their platforms and positions. Not that experience doesn't count, but many would argue that her experience hasn't prevented her from letting republican bills advance to a vote. And others would argue that her experience hasn't led her to support or enact more extreme measures to confront the Executive. That's how a campaign would shape up. She would, of course, be able to tick off these accomplishments, but the voter's concerns might not center on those issues she's been able to manage effectively.


Cindy's Profile:

- Antiwar activist (arrested seven times protesting)
- Founder of Gold Star Families for Peace (http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7075)
- Led Peace Vigil in Crawford, Texas - August 2005
- Led Peace Vigil in Washington, DC - August 31, 2005
- Her published works include Not One More Mother’s Child – an account of her first year of activism, Dear President Bush – a collection of writings and speeches, and Peace Mom: A Mother’s Journey through Heartache to Activism.

Endorsements and descriptions of the impact of her activism (from SourceWatch: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cindy_Sheehan

* "... Cindy Sheehan has done something many thought not possible in America anymore: she has reminded us of shame. ... She has done this by asking a simple question: why did my son have to die? And by asking that question, she has revealed something that has come as a surprise to many Americans: the president has no morally defensible answer." --Steven Laffoley, Common Dreams, August 18, 2005.

* "Whether one supports Sheehan's position or not, she put the war back on the front pages in the middle of August and brought the war home to suburbia in a way other antiwar organizers hadn't been able to do." --Joe Garofoli, San Francisco Chronicle, August 18, 2005.

* "They’d all come to rally with this woman, this regular lady, who’s not particularly camera-ready but who’s agreed to be The Face anyway—and by 'agreed,' I mean a tacit agreement, an organic one, like every piece of fruit served at this damn place. No professionals have come to Sheehan and drafted her to be a spokeswoman, she just became one, and people—including professional organizers like the peace chicks of Code Pink—have flocked around her to help.

"Meanwhile Cindy Sheehan maintains her vigil. Hers is not the voice of a celebrity or politician. It’s the voice of a woman who has sustained an injury that cannot be healed. She’s had something taken from her in a manner that in her eyes cannot be justified." --Harry Smith, CBS News, August 15, 2005.

* "It was very effective when people who actually have skin in the game ask the president to be held accountable for the words he has actually said." --Cindy, The Huffington Post, August 12, 2005.

* "In every standoff there comes a time when the tide will turn in one direction. In our culture, these moments are palpable because a complicated question has been rendered into a simple confrontation between the just and the unjust, the big guy and the little guy, the powerful and the weak. And we all know who Americans choose in those kinds of fights. Cindy Sheehan, with her soft voice and steely determination, has given us a simple choice. We can stand with a mother who doesn't want other mothers to suffer the way she is suffering; or we can side with a president who offers us platitudes instead of exit strategies and unfounded optimism instead of honest logic. ... Cindy Sheehan is proving to us again that America still functions as a democracy. Power and the presidency are still accountable to the Cindy Sheehan's of our country. She is helping a lot of otherwise disconnected people realize that this president has made a mistake with Iraq and his refusal to acknowledge that mistake is leading to more death." --James Moore, "Tiananmen Ranch," The Huffington Post, August 12, 2005.

[BelgianMadCow]

199. Thank you, great post

for detailing in a excellent way what I meant to say.

[cali]

201. That's fair.

It's still not a strong resume.

[Zandor]

204. That's it?

Leading vigils, protests, and writing?

Experience counts.

[muryan]

209. i used to agree with cindy on a lot of things

then she got on this impeachment kick and lost me. The majority of americans want the troops home from iraq, that includes the vast amount of moderates in the country, liberals and disassociated republicans. If bush was brought up on impeachment charges you can be damn sure the only people left supporting it would be liberals. I really don't feel like pissing away the chances of an 08 democratic president, and a chance to actually get things done.

[Moochy]

241. With the help of your brave posts

Pelosi just might win her race! Go Dems! Boo Cindy!

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[Zandor]

224. You are allowed to criticize Pelosi

the deleted posts are probably other rule violations, like supporting Sheehan's candidacy.

[Desertrose]

213. Unbelievable thread...where has the "underground" gone?

This is now DLC Land. period. No room for any other way of thinking here anymore.

Don't like it...well then its buh-bye time with a lovely free granite cookie,eh?

[Zandor]

222. DEMOCRATIC underground n/t

[Desertrose]

227. Therefore we are limited

to condemning anyone who is NOT Dem and kissing all Dem @ss.

Right.

How foolish of me to think we should hold those who WE ELECT accountable for not doing the job we "hired" them to do...of course.

My bad.


BTW...do you get the "underground" part??
This is NOT even CLOSE to the same site it was back in '01. Only the name remains the same.

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[Marrah_G]

226. So a troll is someone who you disagree with?

Because frankly I see many people agreeing and disageeing with his post. Should all but the side you agree with be banned?

[Name removed]

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[Marrah_G]

230. Well heck... that definition fits half the posts on DU

Just seems the term is completely over used here and elsewhere on the net. The new definition seems more like " Troll= anyone who disagrees with my point of view".

I just use the ignore function alot.

[uppityperson]

235. "delete" can hide a lot of bad stuff sometimes.

Haven't seen my around much lately. This is why. Bye again. (not meaning you)

[Zandor]

243. See ya! n/t

[uppityperson]

274. Nope. You are joining No One Else on my ignore list.

[uppityperson]

269. Here is the wiki reference, put more objectively.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

Since someone, wonder whom, objected to my writing this earlier, here is the simple copy/pasted definition of a troll. Now, if someone wants to alert and get this removed, pshaw.

[cali]

232. What nonsense.

I doubt there's more than a handful of people here who have any use for the DLC whatsoever. And the vast majority of posts here come from liberals/progressives. And other sites I can think of are much more rigid about idealogical purity. I'm sure you know what I'm referencing. In case you didn't notice, a large number of posts on this thread are highly critical of Pelosi.

Cute little self-made persecution complex you're sporting, though.

[L0oniX]

221. You mean that they are supposed to do something besides take our money?

ASSCARROTS!

[alberg]

250. The money is the key to getting the Dems attention

on Impeachment. My progressive friends and I have started to return every solicitation we get from non- responsive sections of the Democratic Party with the words "No $'s until Impeachment !!!" written in large red letters across the contribution request form. Perhaps a few hundred thousand of these showing up in the mailboxes of the Democratic leadership over the next few months will get their attention. Pass the word and let's see if we can get this to go viral. If they do the right thing and impeach, we can always double our contributions later on to make up for the "missing" money.

[Name removed]

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[mondo joe]

236. "The dirty work for men"? Are you suggesting that men and women

are different species? Or that they are inherently different when it comes to politics?

Do you not know that women outnumber men as voters?

[YOY]

231. Figure Four Leg-Lock!

[Name removed]

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[OzarkDem]

238. How about the Breast Cancer & Environmental Research Act?

When is she going to get it out of committee and on the floor for a vote?

[MsMagnificent]

242. Straw Woman, a completely unfair comparison

Ms. Sheehan has had NO opportunity to legislate any laws whatsoever!

I really do NOT see how you can possibly compare one's legislative history to another who has had absolutely no chance or occasion to create laws or have any real influence on Congress!

Further, Nancy Pelosi is hands-down the administrations best friend; yes, even beyond Joe LIEberman!

WAKE UP!

[mondo joe]

247. When two people are running against each other how is it unfair to compare

their track records?

[MsMagnificent]

268. You can't compare

a long list of legislation to NO legislation, the reason for the latter because Ms. Sheehan has held no public office.

Without holding office, HOW can Cindy Sheehan have accomplished anything approaching:
"
**First minimum wage increase in 10 years

**9/11 Commission recommendations to screen all air cargo and overseas port cargo, improving communications between first responders

**Tough rules to establish highest ethical standards in Congressional history

**Most sweeping lobby and ethics reform in a generation, hailed by reform groups as “landmark reform” and “a sea of change”

**Pay-as-you-go budget discipline restored to end six years of deficit spending

**Fiscal discipline that produces a balanced budget by 2012

**A comprehensive Innovation and Competitiveness agenda to double basic research & development and reinvest in math and science education

**Emergency funding to support and equip troops, including tripling Mine-Resistant Ambush
Protected (MRAP) vehicles in Iraq

**Tighter rules against foreign investment that weaken national security, after the Dubai Ports scandal
Reduction of backlog on passports after 9/11 requirement through hiring boost

**Benchmarks and progress report required on Iraq
Emergency assistance to protect children’s health coverage

**Overdue disaster aid to farmers and ranchers
Overdue hurricane aid to rebuild Gulf Coast housing, hospitals, schools, and levees

**Emergency funding to fight wildfires
U.S. Attorney appointments protected from political influence

**Vigorous Congressional oversight restored after six years, saving billions of taxpayer dollars, exposing corruption and incompetence

**Green the Capitol plan launched to cut carbon footprint 50%

**National Summit on America’s Children to align policies with latest science...

&etc.


I've not taken any particular side between Cindy Sheehan and Nancy Pelosi in the Californian race (although I am far from appreciative over what Pelosi has "accomplished" since she's become Speaker of the House, especially disliking her fawning over and giving in to the White House and powerful lobbies) but comparing the legislative "accomplishments" of someone who's been in office for 20 years over someone who has never held office is absolutely absurd.

The above 'comparisons' employ specious reasoning truly worthy of Bill O'Reilly.

[mondo joe]

273. You mean I CAN'T compare someone with a track record with someone who has no

track record or even a hint of ability?

Hm. I seem to think I make such comparisons effectively, and often.

[cali]

260. Laughable.

Nancy Pelosi, the administration's best friend? What nonsense. She may not be their most effective adversary, but she's hardly its best friend.

You're right about Sheehan having no opportunity to legislate, though. For that I can only be grateful.

[MsMagnificent]

271. She fawns all over him

'what a great guy' or words to that effect,
'from such a good family' (How Katrina 'worked out so well for them' -- from such a 'beautiful mind')
and 'I pray for him' -- daily, I think she said.

Anything Bush wants, he gets; Democratic opposition is limited to a few mediocre rhetorical proclamations that are never followed up upon.
They're deliberately toothless -- as if they pulled their own teeth.
And who is Speaker of the House? The (supposed) opposition?

Sure ounds damn friendly to me.
If I were Bush (Gah!) I'd be perfectly ecstatic with such an 'opposition'.

[bluescribbler]

246. You really stirred up a hornet's nest this time.

Well done.

[Jax]

249. muddle, muddle, muddle...

so transparent...

What bullshit...not surprising.

[Zandor]

258. We could all just light candles.

Who cares about accomplishments?

:sarcasm:

[proud2BlibKansan]

278. LOL

What accomplishments?

[Swamp Rat]

255. poo poo!!

:D

[2rth2pwr]

272. They haven't done shit

Veterans first received benefits in America in 1636 (yes, 140 years before the Declaration of Independence). Minimum wage dates back to 1938. Affordable colleges began with Lincoln and the Land Grant Colleges Act of 1861. The Department of Energy dates back to 1977. Republicans created SCHIP in 1997.


http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2007/10/10/pelosi-swamped/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

280. Go Zandor...Go Zandor...Go Zandor...

Just checkin in...


:patriot: