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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 12:28 PM
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Al Gore Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize once said "Check the Machine Count with Careful Hand Count
of the Paper Ballots".


"So our goal must be what
is right for America"



Al Gore in NOLA for Katrina
victims


"We need a resolution that
is fair and final"


"We need to move expeditiously to the
most complete and accurate count
that is possible"

SNIP...This is a time to respect every voter and every vote. This is a time to honor the true will of the people. So our goal must be what is right for America. There is a simple reason that Florida law and the law in many other states calls for a careful check by real people of the machine results in elections like this one. The reason? Machines can sometimes misread or fail to detect the way ballots are cast, and when there are serious doubts, checking the machine count with a careful hand count is accepted far and wide as the best way to know the true intentions of the voters.


That is why there have already been partial or complete hand counts not just in two Democratic counties in Florida, but in six Republican counties as well.

We need a resolution that is fair and final. We need to move expeditiously to the most complete and accurate count that is possible. And that is why I propose this evening a way to settle this matter with finality and justice in a period of days, not weeks.

First, we should complete hand counts already begun in Palm Beach County, Dade County and Broward County to determine the true intentions of the voters based on an objective evaluation of their ballots. Observers and participants from both parties should be present in every counting room, as required under Florida law. The results of this recount would, of course, be added to the present certified vote total and the overseas absentee vote total. If this happens, I will abide by the result, I will take no legal action to challenge the result, and I will not support any legal action to challenge the result. I am also prepared, if Governor Bush prefers, to include in this recount all the counties in the entire state of Florida. I would also be willing to abide by that result and agree not to take any legal action to challenge that result. If there are no further interruptions to the process, we believe the count can be completed with seven days of the time it starts

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/july-dec00/gore_11-15.html

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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 12:29 PM
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1. The reason President Gore didn't call for a statewide recount right away
Was that he was constrained by law from doing so. He did go an TV and ask for it ex-officio.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 12:33 PM
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2. Yup, twice Gore tried to get Smirk to agree to a statewide recount
Which neither was supposed to contest the results. Smirk, of course, refused.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 12:37 PM
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3. I get so sick of people saying Al didn't fight
When my own (liberal) FRIENDS weren't going frantic at the time, as I was. HE HAD NO SUPPORT. My own so-called friends kept saying they were tired of it, Al should give up, etc. etc. For some reason, my bile had been aroused by this Peace Prize. How could this country have let such a man slip out of its grasp?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:10 PM
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6. Your are correct Al Gore had NO SUPPORT
we should have been in the streets, the minute the supreme court made that corrupt decision.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:54 AM
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16. And the media (MATTHEWS among them, his current attitude notwithstanding) kept
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 07:55 AM by WinkyDink
asking the ASININE question: "WHO IS PRESIDENT?! We have to KNOW!"

When, of course, it was Bill Clinton, until Inauguration Day, noon.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:04 PM
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4. Gore fought the theft of the election. Who else has done that?

Nobody, as we all know. To critique his strategy for future efforts is useful. To attack him for
pursuing the wrong strategy is not useful and disrespects his courage to stop the theft for weeks
literally. The Supreme Court and the Bush people stole the election. The press covered it up.
The 50,000 - fifty thousand - who protested at the coronation of Bush were totally ignored.

Gore is the one hope this country has to pull out of it's path to disaster here and around the world.

Lets get on board, GORE, NOW MORE THAN EVER
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:07 PM
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5. Certainly the Clinton's were deafeningly silent. Guess the DLC didn't want to hurt
their chances in '08:

I am convinced that the failure of the DLC to acknowledge Gore's win in 2000 (in fact they blame his "loss" on breaking with the DLC and becoming a populist-i'll post a link below) and their active role in keeping Kerry from challenging Ohio in 2004(thanks to Clinton ally James Carville (also posted below) was calculated as to allow a HRC run in '08. If either would have taken the office they won, then HRC and her corporate cronies would not have had a chance in 2008. Also look how they try to undermine Howard Dean. Anyway, here are some links:

FIRST..GORE BROKE WITH THE DLC TO BECOME A POPULIST:

Published on Sunday, August 20. 2000 in the Boston Globe
Thank You, Al Gore
by Robert Kuttner
A funny thing happened to Al Gore on the way to his surprisingly effective acceptance speech. He became a liberal.

The speech was as liberal as anything FDR or LBJ or Jesse Jackson or one of the Kennedys might have delivered. It was built around a commitment to fight for ordinary people, against large and powerful interests. This, of course, is precisely what made it effective.

The emotional heart of the speech, Gore's honoring of four ordinary American lives, did not just salute the struggles of workaday families, the way Ronald Reagan often did. It identified who was dishonoring their struggles - corporations. He singled out heartless HMOs who pressure a family to sacrifice a child; drug companies that force a pensioner to choose between food and medicine; corporate polluters; corporations that pay workers inadequate wages.

And he identified the solution: strong, reliable public Social Security; better Medicare; welfare reform that rewards work rather than punishing the needy; higher minimum wages; and more investment in public - not voucher - schools, so that working families don't have to send kids to crumbling classrooms.

What is the evil? Corporate power. What is the remedy? Effective government.

-snip
http://www.commondreams.org/views/082000-105.htm

SECOND, AFTER GORE'S WIN THEY BLAME HIS 'LOSS' ON BREAKING WITH THE DLC:

Strange Theory on Why Gore Lost



The so-called Democratic Leadership Council has decided that Al Gore should have acted more like a Republican in order to win the 2000 presidential electoral college vote in addition to his nationwide popular vote victory. This strange finding has drawn some attention, including coverage by the Associated Press and the Environmental News Service -- we have a few excerpts from their reports for you here.
Al Gore, the self-styled environmental candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

The 40-page report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back," concludes that the Democratic Party must move towards the political right -- towards the Republicans -- if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm

AND FINALLY, CLINTON ALLY JAMES CARVILLE'S ROLE IN THE QUICK KERRY CONCESSION:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

RESEARCH THIS FOR YOURSELVES, BEFORE YOU CAST A VOTE FOR ANY DLC CANDIDATE!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 08:26 PM
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13. I wish I could nominate a reply post
Well done.

Julie
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:40 AM
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14. Thank you.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:21 PM
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7. Thank you, President Gore!
!!!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 01:55 PM
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8. Draft Al Gore
http://www.draftgore.com/

lets get it done!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 02:49 PM
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9. of course
I LOVE THIS POST!!!!!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 02:49 PM
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10. great thread, glad to see that Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize, and
voting is a human rights issue as well (within the scope of the Peace Prize, for future reference)
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:14 PM
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11. Very well said.
K&R

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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 08:07 PM
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12. Yes it is
thanks Landshark :thumbsup:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:52 AM
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15. Then let's compare this to Mr. "I Trust the People"
"Only machines can be trusted as they are objective while people are subjective" Bush* ran on the meme "I Trust the People" and yet even before he was selected by the Extreme Court he made the above statement about the recounts and why they needed to be stopped.
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