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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:16 AM
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Water woes may lead to Water Wars....water starved areas looking for
the staff of life,,,,

Water rich areas sez "Not from my pond ya won't"

So what is a thirsty City/area to do?

Shrivel and die...?

Move?

Think?


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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:19 AM
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1. The south will rise again.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:23 AM
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3. I doubt it - metro Atlanta is in severe dought
with no handy sources of more water available. The USA's great water resources are in the upper midwest and the northeast. Maybe we could drain Lake Michigan to make sure the silly water displays and garish neon lights continue to flourish in Las Vegas. :evilgrin: :sarcasm:
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:39 AM
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8. That's what I mean: they're gonna have to put together raiding
parties to go north to get water.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:25 AM
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5. Not with the Chattahoochee drying up it won't....Atlanta Planners goofed
re water supplies....

now they facing severe shortages never seen before....many other area in same predicament....

What to do, What to do?

Desal Units on the Coast?

Deeper wells?

Conservation/recycling?

Hydroponic systems?

Better hurry...Atlanta getting drier by the hour....

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:21 AM
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2. One word: desalination.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:41 AM
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9. Certainly a viable possibility. In another word:
filtration.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:48 PM
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14. Two words: Drink Coca-Cola! nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:20 PM
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19. "Cheesburger Cheeseburger, Pepsi...NO COKE" Dan Akroyd, John Belushi
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:25 AM
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4. Yet the RW insists there is NO relationship between climate change and
peace.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:27 AM
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6. It has become obvious them RW Pubs know shit about this subject
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:28 AM
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7. oil wars aint got nothing on the coming water wars...
and they are coming.

the first battle being the privatization of water.


power to the people
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:35 PM
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12. Yup, ya can't drink oil....but ya gatta have water,,,,this is gonna get nasty before it gets solved
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:45 AM
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10. Check this out
http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/
<snip>
The Human Development Report continues to frame debates on some of the most pressing challenges facing humanity. Human Development Report 2006:

• Investigates the underlying causes and consequences of a crisis that leaves 1.2 billion people without access to safe water and 2.6 billion without access to sanitation
• Argues for a concerted drive to achieve water and sanitation for all through national strategies and a global plan of action
• Examines the social and economic forces that are driving water shortages and marginalizing the poor in agriculture
• Looks at the scope for international cooperation to resolve cross-border tensions in water management
• Includes special contributions from Gordon Brown and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, President Lula, President Carter, and the UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:23 PM
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21. Very Important but the Bushies cannot read
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LunaSea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:27 PM
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11. Extract it from the air
There’s a lot of water in the air. It rises from the surface of the oceans to a height of almost 100 kilometres. You feel it in high humidity, but there’s almost as much invisible moisture in the air above the Sahara or the Nullarbor as there is in the steamy tropics. The water that pools beneath an air-conditioned car, or in the tray under an old fridge, demonstrates the principle: cool the air and you get water. And no matter how much water we might take from the air, we’d never run out. Because the oceans would immediately replace it.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/10/71898
http://www.sciperio.com/watertech/water-from-air.asp
http://www.gizmag.com/go/2796/
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21123007-12272,00.html
http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/06/aqua-sciences-extracts-water-from-thin-air/
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:42 PM
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13. But to get water through this process requires a temp diff of at least 20 to30 degrees F
Dr John Craven PHD demonstrated this in his HURRICANE TOWER in KONA Hawaii at NELHA a few years ago....using cold water from the thermoclime 2000 feet below sea level....

But to feed Atlanta and other areas inland is another venture....

Most likely they will either have to find another source or move...ala Sam Kinison re famine "MOVE TO WHERE THERE IS FOOD"
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:48 PM
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15. Privatizing the water supply is on the way
I believe these water shortages (like the electricity shortages) are being made or allowed to happen so that corporate ownership of water will happen.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:19 PM
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18. Soon it will be $10,00 per 1000 gal or higher
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:52 PM
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16. We have had so much rain this year
and the last couple of years, that my porch won't dry out enough to keep paint on it. I've got moss growing on the side of my basement and green mold on my wooden garage door. And it rained buckets last night too. The bad thing about this is that the way our sewage system is designed, all that water is going into the sewage system which overflows and goes into the lake that is in the middle of the city. The lake, of course, is unusable, so no one really cares that much, I guess.

There should be two systems, one for sewage and the other for rain water. The rain water system would receive water from roof gutter systems and be totally closed. The water then would only need minimal cleaning to be used for personal use.

zalinda
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:22 PM
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20. In your area...you be so lucky/fortunate...the dry areas seem to be in Atlanta Ga
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:04 PM
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17. read "Cadillac Desert"
In the West, water wars are nothing new... the Owens Valley vs. Los Angeles ("Chinatown") comes to mind.

...guess we are just ahead of the curve...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:24 PM
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22. Water for lawns and golf courses will be a thing of the past soon...
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:58 PM
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29. new game: sand golf, coming soon to a course near you
where the entire course is one giant sand trap.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:22 PM
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33. Yup....so true.....how avoidable.......but we dither
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:53 PM
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23. FL has quietly been usurping small ponds and lakes
if I'm wrong, someone please inform me of what I'm seeing. but a lot of places are now fenced up so you can't get into them (ponds), and I believe FL says they own all the water rights in the state?

when I was visiting out in CO, Pueblo and the Springs were fighting over water from the CO River and Pueblo was telling C.S. that they couldn't have as much water as they wanted or something...

the more millions that keep getting born, the larger the strain on water.

there will be violence over it someday. the thing is, with all the probs that the sob b*shler has ignored, we're in for some hard times with global warming, water shortages, recovering from debt... I pity the next pres...

as a Christian I am thankful for my belief about not fearing, but I don't want to see any of us suffer because of the inactions of the most vile man to sit in the white house - and yet congress seems a-ok with it. if anything (and I understand the senate situation with the DINO Lieberman) the House should have impeached him - and this has upset many Democratic voters who may not vote this time thinking why does it matter what we do, they (members) do what they want and ignore us (Pelosi)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:05 PM
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24. Its so easy to say fuck it all and move to where there is mucho water....that seems to be the PUB
way of thinking...

But the fact is...there will be water shortages on a scale never seen before...and we should be working on solutions...like now...but the naysayers have their asses in a twit and deny deny deny....until its too late...

Them Pubs were never Planners for a brighter Future...unless it involved them and only them
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:18 PM
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25. Well unless, I'm mistaken Bush planned for his brighter future
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 04:19 PM by Uncle Joe
by purchasing vast quantities of acreage around the world's largest fresh water reservoir in Paraguay. I imagine they plan on digging tunnels in the mountains there and burrowing in when global warming truly hits the fan thus making that their life boat.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:54 PM
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28. They will be hermits with food and water...but hordes of hungry peeps after their asses
They will have a crummy existence
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:01 PM
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30. that's why they'll have to kill off so many at the start of it all falling apart...
if that were to occur, and I pray not, but if it did, I kid you not - the rich (and I mean the RICHEST) would be rounded up and flown off to some protected tiny city with thousands of troops surrounding it to protect them, like the opposite of a quarantined town - and then the masses would be left to fend for themselves, the strongest to survive and take what they need.

I really hope I'm not around for that kind of life, or that I'm moved by then. There is so much writing on the wall that it looks like a book! Financial papers are telling us directly that we cannot sustain what is going on - science magazines are saying we cannot sustain the destructive pace we are on - the population continues to grow - we have a lot of things that need sorted out QUICKLY by our next president and Congress - and I'm hopeful that it's such a massive win 60-40 for the Dem candidate and we gain so many seats that we can overhaul everything!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:23 PM
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26. ha!
that last sentence is so true... status quo'ers if I ever saw one. repubs are generally close minded.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:53 PM
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27. Ain't that the shits
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:02 PM
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31. Water Woes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TcDor0rk98

he worlds largest rivers are drying up all over the world. Danube, Po,Nile,Amazon,Yangtze Darling, and RioGrande
There are millions who depend on them
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:21 PM
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32. DUNE......Earth is becoming DUNE...well, at least in some places...
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