So this guy investigating Bush power sees a number of his interviewees die...

[BornagainDUer]

then he himself (Danny Casalaro) dies and his body is embalmed before his family OKs it. Then Abbie Hoffman dies after publishing on the same topic in Playboy. Then the lawyer (Paul Wilcher)who tried to reveal what the investigator had dies and his body is embalmed just like the investigator, then the person who tried to find out what happened to both of them (Jim Keith) breaks his leg in a skiing accident and dies in the hospital.

Do we live in a police state? That's a no brainer.

PS: It was all about 1980 October Surprise.

[grasswire]

1. Steve Kangas, too

The Octopus lives.

[BornagainDUer]

16. Kangas was collecting info on the powers that be like Casolaro.

Here is something he wrote:

The Origins of the Overclass

By Steve Kangas


The wealthy have always used many methods to accumulate wealth, but it was not until the mid-1970s that these methods coalesced into a superbly organized, cohesive and efficient machine. After 1975, it became greater than the sum of its parts, a smooth flowing organization of advocacy groups, lobbyists, think tanks, conservative foundations, and PR firms that hurtled the richest 1 percent into the stratosphere.

The origins of this machine, interestingly enough, can be traced back to the CIA. This is not to say the machine is a formal CIA operation, complete with code name and signed documents. (Although such evidence may yet surface — and previously unthinkable domestic operations such as MK-ULTRA, CHAOS and MOCKINGBIRD show this to be a distinct possibility.) But what we do know already indicts the CIA strongly enough. Its principle creators were Irving Kristol, Paul Weyrich, William Simon, Richard Mellon Scaife, Frank Shakespeare, William F. Buckley, Jr., the Rockefeller family, and more. Almost all the machine's creators had CIA backgrounds.

During the 1970s, these men would take the propaganda and operational techniques they had learned in the Cold War and apply them to the Class War. Therefore it is no surprise that the American version of the machine bears an uncanny resemblance to the foreign versions designed to fight communism. The CIA's expert and comprehensive organization of the business class would succeed beyond their wildest dreams. In 1975, the richest 1 percent owned 22 percent of America’s wealth. By 1992, they would nearly double that, to 42 percent — the highest level of inequality in the 20th century.

How did this alliance start? The CIA has always recruited the nation’s elite: millionaire businessmen, Wall Street brokers, members of the national news media, and Ivy League scholars. During World War II, General "Wild Bill" Donovan became chief of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA. Donovan recruited so exclusively from the nation’s rich and powerful that members eventually came to joke that "OSS" stood for "Oh, so social!"...





http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html

[melody]

2. Bush kills

Always has, always will.

The Royals have been murdering for generations ... they're the American branch.

[aquart]

3. All I want to know is WTF they got to do it.

A reliable, tell-no-tales enforcer is worth gold to a bunch of Borgias like the Bushes. I keep trying to imagine what kind of life you can live when you get called out to do this stuff.

When Wellstone went down, I wanted to see if there could be any kind of pattern in the way small planes carrying politically-connected people went down. So I trolled the search engines and got all the names I could find and made a little chart in Excel. I think I had maybe 12 or 13 names. So weird, except for one four-year period, every politcally-connected figure who went down in a small plane crash was a Democrat. In the single four-year period that interrupted these deaths, every victim was in the Republican camp. Damned odd distribution, but I'm not a statistician so I can't tell you what it means. The person who was president for the four-year period in which only Republicans crashed in small planes was George H.W. Bush.

I want to add a disclaimer that Google has much more range now, and someone compiling the same data may have more names that totally change the results. I wish someone would.

[seemslikeadream]

6. Do you have the three W. R. Grace enviromental employees

that were killed in a small plane crash while on their way to a meeting with all their documentation on asbestos. Funny that asbestos was a BIG deal to Paul also, funny that W. R. Grace was grabed by Haliburton


Stidham, who was the director of environment health and safety at Grace's corporate headquarters, was

Richard Lyons, 56, of Lynnfield and Joseph Spiak, 46, of Acton worked in the Cambridge office of the W.R. Grace Company. Spiak was a general manager and Lyons the company's global safety manager.


http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/alchenc.htm

[villager]

11. Did they use the Wellstone explanation of "sudden weather"

to explain the "coincidental" crash?

[seemslikeadream]

12. "some sort of catastrophic event"

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/South/01/08/plane.crash/


CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (CNN) -- Federal investigators said they know "some sort of catastrophic event" prompted the pilot of a commuter plane to declare an emergency Wednesday moments before the aircraft crashed and burned, killing all 21 aboard.

Investigators probing the crash of Air Midwest Flight 5481 also said they hope the flight recorders from the plane may reveal with what type emergency the pilot was dealing before the aircraft crashed during takeoff.

"We know there was some sort of catastrophic event that caused her (the pilot) to declare an emergency," said John Goglia, head of the 12-member National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) team heading the investigation.

The flight, operating as US Airways Express, burst into a ball of fire as it crashed shortly before 9 a.m. EST. Fire crews quickly extinguished the flames, and when the smoke cleared a pile of debris could be seen stretching about 100 feet from the site of impact at the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport. (Final path of plane)

The plane, carrying 19 passengers and two crew members, "just barely hit one corner" of the US Airways hangar, setting it on fire, said airport operations director Jerry Orr.

[villager]

13. "some sort" -- namely, Bush.

n/t

[Liberal In Texas]

17. NTSB Investigation results:

After takeoff from Runway 18R the nose of the Beech pitched up from 7 degrees to 52 degrees by the time it reached 1200 feet. The airplane rolled and struck the corner of a large USAirways hangar.
Two days prior to the accident maintenance had been performed on the airplane's elevator tab. The FAA ordered Air Midwest to immediately check 43 aircraft that were serviced at the airline's West Virginia maintenance facility.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The airplane’s loss of pitch control during takeoff. The loss of pitch control resulted from the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system compounded by the airplane’s aft center of gravity, which was substantially aft of the certified aft limit. Contributing to the cause of the accident was: (1) Air Midwest’s lack of oversight of the work being performed at the Huntington, West Virginia, maintenance station; (2) Air Midwest’s maintenance procedures and documentation; (3) Air Midwest’s weight and balance program at the time of the accident; (4) the Raytheon Aerospace quality assurance inspector’s failure to detect the incorrect rigging of the elevator system; (5) the FAA’s average weight assumptions in its weight and balance program guidance at the time of the accident; and (6) the FAA’s lack of oversight of Air Midwest’s maintenance program and its weight and balance program."

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20030108-0

[seemslikeadream]

18. Well darn the luck

The W. R. Grace the biggest polluter on the face of the earth and their employees with all that documentation going to that meeting just didn't quite make it.

[Liberal In Texas]

23. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. n/t

[defendandprotect]

32. Depends on who's wielding it . . . Clinton or Bush?

[DrDebug]

27. Amazing W.R. Grace is a very weird company

Their Will Be Done
By Martin A. Lee
Mother Jones July/August 1983 Issue

One day in July 1944, as the Second World War raged throughout Europe, General William "Wild Bill" Donovan was ushered into an ornate chamber in Vatican City for an audience with Pope Pius XII. Donovan bowed his head reverently as the pontiff intoned a ceremonial prayer in Latin and decorated him with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only 100 other men in history, who "by feat of arms, or writings, or outstanding deeds, have spread the Faith, and have safeguarded and cham-pioned the Church."

(...)

Amazing Grace

The American section of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta has about 1,000 members—including 300 "dames." They represent the vanguard of American Catholicism, the point at which the Vatican and the U.S. ruling elite intersect. "The Knights of Malta comprise what is perhaps the most exclusive club on earth," Stephen Birmingharn, the social historian, has written. "They are more than the Catholic aristocracy... can pick up a telephone and chat with the pope."

And who are the American Knights? Mother Jones managed to obtain part of the secret membership list. On it we found some familiar names: Lee Iacocca of Chrysler; Spyros Skouras, the shipping magnate; Robert Abplanalp, the aerosol tycoon and Nixon confidant; Barren Hilton of the hotel chain; John Volpe, former U.S. ambassador to Italy; and William Simon, who served as both treasury secretary and energy czar in the 1970s. At least one former envoy to the Vatican, Robert Wagner (the ex-mayor of New York), and the current emissary to the Vatican, William Wilson, are also members of the Knights of Malta. But there is one institution that stands out as the center of the SMOM in the United States—W.R. Grace & Company. J. Peter Grace, the company chairman, is also president of the American section of SMOM. No less than eight knights, including the chancellor of the order, John D.J. Moore (who was ambassador to Ireland under Nixon and Ford), are directors of W.R. Grace.

J. Peter Grace has a long history of involvement with CIA-linked enterprises, such as Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe, which was the brainchild of General Reinhard Gehlen. He is also the board chairman of the American Institute for Free Labor Development (AIFLD), which has collaborated with multinational corporations and their client dictatorships in Latin America to squelch independent trade unions. Up to $100 million a year of CIA funds were pumped into "trustworthy" labor organizations such as AIFLD, whose graduates, according to AIFLD executive director William Doherty, were active in covert operations that led to the military coup in Brazil in 1964. During the early 1970s, Francis D. Flanagan, the Grace representative in Washington, D. C., was a member of ITT's "Ad Hoc Committee on Chile," which was instrumental in planning the overthrow of Salvador Allende. AIFLD's National Workers' Confederation subsequently served as the chief labor mouthpiece for the Pinochet junta.

(...)

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1983/07/willbedone.html

[Bitwit1234]

4. They tried to kill Jill Simpson she got lucky

The burned here house completely to the ground. Normally she would have been home, but as luck would have it she wasn't. Then about a month after that someone ran her off the road, and she managed to keep control of her SUV and didn't crash. It is a wonder that the republicans haven't killed and set out hit men before this. Rove is as dispicible as the come and I wouldn't put anything past the S.O.B.

[defendandprotect]

33. Jill Simpson? Testifying re DOJ/Rove plot re the Alabama- D-Governor?

[never_get_over_it]

5. Maybe this actually is the answer

I have been mystified by the actions of the Dem "leaders" since they took control of the House and Senate - and came to the conclusion that they were suffering from battered wife syndrome, being threatened or just plain in on it - recently I have chosen just plain in on it - but maybe it really is they are being threatened....

We're so lost....

[OregonBlue]

7. I disagree, I think they're just cowards. They are so afraid something will happen or the

government will make it happen and they will get blamed. They are afraid to take the blame pure and simple. Playing CYA big time.

[never_get_over_it]

10. I think your comment sort of falls under

battered wife syndrome - not exactly - but in as much as if they do anything Repunks will call them nasty names and blame them - like the Dems said they voted for that ridiculous August FISA thing because there were supposed threats on the Capitol - and they didn't want to take the blame if something did happen - whatever - like I said I'm mystified and so so so DISAPPOINTED

btw this DISAPPOINTMENT led me to change my signature to THEIR oath of office.....

[defendandprotect]

34. I don't know if Wellstone was concerned . . . he had almost been killed by a bomb in Iraq?

And, Bushco is certainly one of the worse for revenge ....
Not only did they kill him, they killed his wife -- just in case she might be appointed to his seat? and his daughter -- !!!!

[pingzing58]

8. Conspiracy theories. I'm not kidding, I love threads like this. Think outside the box!

[TomInTib]

9. If you ever see a copy of "October Surprise" in the library, read the last few pages.

I cannot recall who wrote the book, but she chronicles all manner of bizarre events regarding the different people involved.

[screembloodymurder]

14. Do you have a link?

Or a source?

[NYC]

15. Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/October-Surprise-Barbara-Honegger/dp/0944276466

[Octafish]

19. Here's a start.

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

BFEE means Bush Family Evil Empire.

Like royalty through the ages, they kill their enemies.

[me b zola]

20. k&r

[Octafish]

21. Jim Hatfield pegged Smirko in 'Fortunate Son' then died after writing 'bout Bush-bin Laden link.

Researcher and writer who penned “Fortunate Son,” an unauthorized biography of George W Bush that included allegations of cocaine use, planted by Karl Rove, who knew that Hatfield, an ex-con would be discredited. The last thing Hatfield wrote “Why Would Osama Want to Kill His Ex-Business Partner?” that detailed bin Laden threatening to crash a plane loaded with explosives into the G-8 summit in Genoa Italy in July 2001. Bush slept offshore aboard a US warship and the meeting was guarded by SAMs. Hatfield's death immediately was ruled a “suicide.”

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?


By James Hatfield
Online Journal
Special Report

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

I knew that bombshell would whip your heads around. So here's the straight scoop, folks.

In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.")

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

Damn right these are NAZI times. These are NAZI people.

[BornagainDUer]

30. Hatfield cited "aerial strikes" ...

TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO 9/11!!!

...According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

:wow:

If Bushboy was really interested in stopping terror attacks he would have solicited Hatfield's input instead of offing him.

What was that German newspaper? Der Spiegel?

[Octafish]

31. It IS unbelievable. Yet it is TRUE.

Months before 9-11, Bush attended his first G-8 summit in Genoa. There he learned firsthand about what a threat bin Laden was from the air. Bush was so scared of falling airplanes, he slept offshore aboard a U.S. warship.



The German press did refer to the warning. Here's a bit of detail of what we know Bush missed regarding warnings of a terrorist attack, from the summer of 2001:

Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas

July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/

So. The little turd from Crawford was warned about Osama bin Laden months before 9-11.

Before the CIA briefed him at Crawford --and Condescenda, Rummy and Ashcan -- during his first month-long vacation in August 2001, Bush had been “forced” to sleep offshore during the G-8 summit in Genoa. The reason: bin Laden threatened to crash the party with a jet plane.

This shows, at BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense. What’s more likely, based on the results of his leadership in the three years since, Bush just decided to let 9-11 happen as a reason for building up the world’s first sole-superpower police state.

There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda.

Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public?

It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001:

Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation

Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.

Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html

Hope the psychotic coward didn't get too scared. Speaking of bedwetting little tyrants, remember John Ashcan, who stopped flying commercial in July 2001:

Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

A fine official upholding the law. He followed orders and didn't warn anybody else.

The thing that gets me about Hatfield, is that he had them pegged cold. The reason, Karl Rove had given him the inside skinny on everybody and everything from the Houston cocaine bust to James R Bath-bin Laden-bin Mahfouz money tunnel. Rove's reason was that Hatfield had a criminal record -- he did time in the big house for trying to hire a hit man to kill a boss. When Corporate McPravda caught up to the real story about corrupt Junior, the first thing they did was dismiss it because of the messenger.

Post 911, of course...



George Walker Bush, acting as "president," broke international law to invade a nation with which we were at peace to steal their oil.

That is about as NAZI, imperialist, corporatist or whatever the heck gangster-ist as they come.

[yardwork]

22. Anthrax killer - first victim was a photo editor at The National Enquirer

As a result of the death, the Bush administration took control of The National Enquirer's photo archives - all of them. They're hidden somewhere.

There has to be a reason why The National Enquirer - and that particular employee - was the first target of the anthrax killer. I've often wondered if the subsequent mailings, to much better-known news anchors and senators, was simply to distract from and cover up the first killing.

What did The National Enquirer have on the Bushes?

[scarletwoman]

24. The National Enquirer had published his photos of drunken Jenna & not-Jenna on its cover that year.

That may have been sufficient. He was the test case, to see if the stuff worked.

sw

[yardwork]

28. I suspect that there was more in the works.

I suspect that the Enquirer editor had found something very interesting that the Bush family felt could not be published, no matter what. That's just a feeling I have.

[defendandprotect]

35. Yes . .. there is a link . .. the guy had worked on some story; just recently read about it ---

If I recall where, I'll post a link ---

[Joanne98]

25. I have a book that's being picked up by the Scientologists...

Called The New Satanists by Linda Blood! I just checked on Amazon. The cheapest used copy is 61.00. It has Rudy Guilliani in it. I should re-read it tonight an find that part.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0446364738/ref=sr_1_olp_1/102-3607765-6176117?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192339392&sr=1-1

This will be a rare book soon. I may sell mine but not before I copy it.

[Joanne98]

26. Don't forget the Octopus!

http://www.amazon.com/Octopus-Secret-Government-Death-Casolaro/dp/0922915911/ref=pd_sim_b_4/102-3607765-6176117

[BornagainDUer]

29. I've got that book. The chapter "mysterious deaths" supports the OP.

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

36. And someone is saying that author Jim Keith had an accident?

[defendandprotect]

37. Danny Casalaro...unbelievable death.... called suicide!!

None of this is unlike what happened with JFK -- and most people understand that.

Hitler came to power thru political violence -- killing enemies and witnesses --

Same thing has been going on here for more than 30 years ---

And they've had to shut down MSM in order to keep it all hidden ---

And 30 years of vote stealing . . . See Votescam .... Jim & Ken Collier, Journalists --

see thread, or look up website --- book can be read on line.