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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:53 AM Original message |
History's Lessons |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Just want to thank you for mentioning The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act. n/t |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. It started the |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Isn't that where the "Free Speech Zones" came about? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. "Free Speech Zones" |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Great post. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Thank you. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
7. Why Would Anyone Not Want Us To Pay Attention To & Learn From History? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Great question. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Nor Me |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
51. It's also a matter of learning HOW to learn .. from history or anything else. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Right. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
107. Yes....we keep huddled in our own cognizance of what we've seen |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
58. just opened up my copy of Machiavelli's "The Prince" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:41 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Good call. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
94. Historical lobotomies...that's a great phrase! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. I'm glad that |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. my party is like my relatives.... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. That's an interesting |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. We have not only the right but the obligation to question elected officials- |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Thank you. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
12. Thank you, H20 Man. This was a needed and clear reminder. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. There is an |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thank you for a well, well written piece.....if only |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Thank you ..... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. Thanks Waterman |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Thank you, my friend. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. We both try |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
16. Dissent is Patriotic. nt |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Exactly. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
18. Cuomo had a reputation for undermining Dem rivals |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. You would do well to read this OP, and then the sophism Op from yesterday, friend. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Why? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Being rather familiar |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. If it was only about Koch, you'd be right |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Obviously there |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. And politics makes strange bedfellows |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. hear! hear! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Thank you. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
26. "Trusting" leaders is an abandonment of demcocracy. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Well said. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
29. K&R. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Thanks! |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. Thank you for this. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. One of the things |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
37. Woohoo h20 |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. It's interesting: |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
108. The "Lurkers" are |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. Nicely articulated H2O Man. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thanks. |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I'm on that list! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
42. kudos- very well said- and deeply |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
44. You are a good Democrat, H20 Man. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Some of us old folks |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
45. another great H2O Man post |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Thank you. n/t |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
48. Beautifully stated H2O man |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "We Dissent!" |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I'm watching Countdown on PBS |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
49. Kick. (nt) |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
52. K & R n/t |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
53. An open mind, informed by history, willing to question elected officials. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:54 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. "Of all our studies, |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
55. Wonderful post. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:56 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Thank you. n/t |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
56. Kick. (nt) |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
57. Interesting--you see critique of hasty, inattentive historical analogy as a call to -ignore- history |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
59. Good food for thought |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. A lot of Bush's rhetorical PR and marketing tricks are updated versions of those used in the past |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:36 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Nope -- |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. That's what I thought. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
61. Reasonable, a bit wordy for me but while we're alluding to words... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:11 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. "a bit wordy" |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. I do understand that, and the piece stands on it's own, many DUer's labor beneath... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
67. Thank you for the wise words. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Thank you. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Yes. I'm traditional as it gets though here I have the reputation |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
70. Great post |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Very interesting. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
72. The Habeas Corpus changes in the 1996 anti-terrorism law |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. The changes in 1996 |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
75. Great post, H2O Man. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Thank you. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
76. There's not much that I don't agree with on this |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Long responses |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. There certainly is a case to be made that Congress needs to be more forceful |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. The only way I could see your argument as a possibility is |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Right. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I fail to see the difference |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. The difference is obvious. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Ongoing investigations are no more of a 'stalling tactic' than those of the Watergate Committee |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. In the case of |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I think there's too much invective behind the aide's description of her efforts |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Can you provide |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. do we have any room to interpret what you've reported here? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. So many "whistleblowers" have leaked info to Waxman & Leahy... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I can answer you only with the wisdom of others on what you say: |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Sometimes, long responses help clarification. |
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astonamous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
79. Thank you for this very timely post. n/t |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Thank you. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
83. One of the people I have admired the most was my 6th grade history teacher |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Thank you. |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
85. Nice post. |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
87. The will of the people or Corporate Will? |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. You're Quite Right & Make An Excellent Point |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Fear mongering is rampant these days... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Not To Mention Burma |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Agreed...even masters can be afraid, for they themselves... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. I Say Nothing Lasts Forever |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Right. |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I also feel optimistic. |
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ninkasi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
88. Your post is excellent |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
113. I'm glad |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
90. "....all tyranny rests upon the twins of fraud and deceit,...." |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
115. Thanks. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
101. great post |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #101 |
116. Thank you. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
111. Wonderful thread |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. It is a good thread. |
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