Bush cannot dare let Congress discover who they've spied on

[malaise]

They are protecting themselves. John Dean is correct.
Do not let up on this Dems.

[spanone]

1. yes malaise, you are correct.....as is john dean

[Richard Steele]

2. Because the top 500 spying targets are in Congress.

And the next 5000 are businesses that BushCabal's buddies
are in competition with.

Bet on it.

[malaise]

3. Bingo

KO says the phone companies are declaring Executive Privilege. Corporatism gone mad - Mussolini is live and well.

[spanone]

5. now that's facism at it's best

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. This is Bush's Paula Jones problem.

There should be no immunity for something that will probably turn out to have civil remedies for the people injured.

[frogcycle]

19. ding ding ding

hell, they had their target list before they ever took office. it sure wasn't late-breaking news on terror suspects - Ashcroft was busy telling aides to shut up about terror and Rice was pumping for Star Wars.

[orleans]

26. exactly! n/t

[PATRICK]

34. Even the small fry

GOP Reps couldn't resist getting into the game. With relative impunity so strong they got caught just being extremely careless.

One of a number of overwhelming crimes or crimes so heinous and threatening as to necessitate investigation. Zippo.

The signal one for me, though not the first, was that they Dems(GOP replaceable stooges as well) couldn't see themselves on 9/11 being left to dangle for the dawdling second airplane heading their way. Same for the politically motivated anthrax attacks. The attention span of a fruit fly when it comes even to personal safety, their own election protection... The list is endless and you wonder why they can't lift a finger to protect us. Worse, something in the brainpan keeps them in a state of eternal surprise and confused shock over the obvious.

I long for the fevered insanity that thinks they have secret clever plans. The good old days when every Dem seemed a limping Claudius waiting to strike after the demise of Little Boots.

[Newsjock]

4. When Congress finds out they've been spied upon ...

... they'll threaten to send a very strongly worded letter! That'll show them, huh.

[malaise]

6. Can we hope that they'll stand up this time

What the fugg is wrong with them.

[JVS]

25. Actually they'll be very quiet because they will fear what he knows about them

I'm sure they don't want their own dirty laundry aired.

[malaise]

39. So that is more important than their country

that is more important than the clusterfuck they're leaving for their children and grandchildren.

[JVS]

42. probably

[KansDem]

40. They won't need to send "a very strongly worded letter."

They can just slink off to the dark closet in the basement and type it on their laptops. BushCo will eventually see it...

[kestrel91316]

7. I suspect the ONLY spying that's being done is against the political

opposition, and NONE of it against legitimate threats to this nation's safety.

THAT'S why Caligula will NEVER cooperate.

[EVDebs]

22. Correct. Just look at Ptech

"Ptech's roster of clients included several governmental agencies, including the United States Armed Forces, NATO, Congress, the Department of Energy, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Customs, the FAA, the IRS, the Secret Service, and the White House. Despite the media allegation that the company's was connected to terrorism, an allegation that both the US government and the company's official denied, as of May 2004 they were still contracted by several federal agencies, including the White House.

Ptech had a security clearance to work on sensitive military projects dating to 1997."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptech

Ptech would have know about the 9-11 wargames (Vigilant Warrior, etc) and spread the information obtained from FAA and DoD sources.

Ptech is STILL under White House contract btw. Just lovely, eh ?

[jgraz]

8. Trust me, Congress knows EXACTLY who * has been spying on

Why do you think they cave into him at every turn? Not to be all tinfoil-hatty, but they're acting exactly the way someone would if they were being blackmailed: make big noises about opposing * and then collapse inexplicably at the last moment.

[DemoTex]

9. Absolutely. Democrats and Repubs alike are being blackmailed.

It is the Rovian way.

[guruoo]

20. Exactly...

BushCo Gotta keep the home team in line, right?

Posted 2/2/2004 10:04 PM Updated 2/4/2004 9:08 AM
Poisonous ricin found in Senate Majority Leader's office
WASHINGTON (AP) — A jittery Senate faced its second attack with a deadly toxin
in 28 months on Tuesday, this time in the form of ricin powder sent to Senate
Majority Leader Bill Frist. Another letter containing ricin and bound for the
White House had been intercepted in November, a law enforcement official disclosed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-02-senate-powder_x.htm

[malaise]

10. Then why don't thay all come out publicly

and say so. Then Bushco is not only naked but skinned alive.

Gr.

[jgraz]

11. I can think of a couple of reasons

1. Chances are * has got something really good on more than a few of them.
2. Paul Wellstone.

[malaise]

12. They can't kill the entire Congress

or can they?

[jgraz]

13. It only takes a few

Seriously, dude. Rent a couple episodes of "The Sopranos". ;)

[riderinthestorm]

16. Anthrax anyone? nt

[malaise]

17. Expose that too

I'm switching to watch the Darth power grab on PBS.

[sendero]

14. My thoughts exactly..

... if you are being blackmailed, then you must have done something you need to hide.

If they are being blackmailed, and going along with it, they deserve it.

[malaise]

15. I seriously don't get it

This is madness. He must really have some goods on them.

[EVDebs]

21. We already know about Ted Kennedy being spied on (emails)

Infiltration of files seen as extensive
Senate panel's GOP staff pried on Democrats

By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 22, 2004

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/22/infiltration_of_files_seen_as_extensive/

But this tidbit is very interestind, "A technician hired by the new judiciary chairman, Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, apparently made a mistake that allowed anyone to access newly created accounts on a Judiciary Committee server shared by both parties -- even though the accounts were supposed to restrict access only to those with the right password."

What a friggin' huge mistake. Intentional perhaps ?

[WinkyDink]

29. And being on the No-Fly list.

[EVDebs]

35. You can add the Greens to that 'list' along with the tactics on the Quakers

...who put the lie to Bush's "when Iraqis stand up, we'll stand down" statement by putting the Permanent Bases into the media spotlight,

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

while thus incurring the wrath of the NSA spying on them in the process. UC Santa Cruz antiwar demonstrators along with the 'Ragin' Grannies' also ended up on the military's spying shitlist.

The sad fact that the military's own reliance upon oil along with Congress's 30 years of inaction on finding alternatives to oil have led us to this fiasco we're in right now, see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3588049

which is now deemed to require at least a ten year occupation in Iraq (which I believe is being used to keep oil prices too high in order to facilitate the knowledge that the oil will run out around 2027, so the companies can morph into something else in the meantime).

[bonito]

23. You know it, and it's world wide imo

there's no angels here, there's no excuse for being human, that being said, Never, Never, let anyone hold anything over your head!
Take a stand where ever you might be!

[L. Coyote]

24. They already know, and have known for quite a while. Feb. 2004. Hacker-Gate, "Republicans stole ...

Feb. 2004. Hacker-Gate, "Republicans stole thousands of Democratic documents.."

This alone is way worse than Watergate. In this case the criminals actually pulled off a
their "listening" program, instead of getting caught trying to bug the Dems. And, in retrospect
from several years later, the Department of Justice or the GOP Congressional leadership did NADA!!
So, do we have the proverbial crime of the cover-up to consider too?

=======================================
Dems: Stolen memo case should go to DOJ
by kos - Tue Feb 10, 2004 at 02:02:22 PM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/2/10/17222/9423

.... Senate Dems are now demanding a criminal investigation from the Department of Justice
after Republicans stole thousands of Democratic documents from a shared Justice committee server.

From the registration only Roll Call:

   Key Senate Democrats predicted Monday that the internal investigation into the 
   Judiciary Committee's leaked memos would be turned into a full-blown criminal investigation.

   Exiting a 90-minute briefing about the probe with Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Bill Pickle, a 
   quartet of senior Judiciary Democrats declared that what they had heard led them to believe 
   a criminal inquiry, most likely with the Justice Department handling it, should occur.

   "Eventually, this has to be looked at as a criminal matter," said Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.)...

   Leahy sat in on the Senators-only briefing with Sens. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), Dianne Feinstein 
   (D-Calif.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), all of whom declined to speak of the details of where Pickle 
   stands in his three-month investigation ......

Republicans, in defending the theft, refer to the matter as a "technical glitch" and deny that the stolen memos amount to criminal wrongdoing .....

=====================
FROM May-19-07 : Campaign 2004: Were Bush / Cheney / NSA illegal wiretaps spying on Dems?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x925247

[malaise]

27. So why don't Dems nail them

they have all the proof they need.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. The only explanation for them NOT nailing them....

They're all being Blackmailed. It's the only answer.

[malaise]

33. If they're all being blackmailed, then unity is strength

Grow a spine and collectively stand up to Bushco, unless their personal skeletons are more important than the destruction of the constitution and country.

[EVDebs]

37. Or our leadership plans on returning the favor ! Kinda makes 'em think twice now, doesn't it....

[EVDebs]

36. Sen Orrin Hatch is "shocked, shocked" that this happened on his watch ! LOL nt

[malaise]

38. He's a shocking

moron. :rofl:

[moondust]

28. Yep.

It is imperative for them to get AT&T, Verizon, etc. a retroactive pardon before Congress drills into their records.

[malaise]

32. Not Congress

The Courts.

[Supersedeas]

31. just one or two political connections and that's ballgame for Dimson

[BuyingThyme]

41. kcik