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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 12:47 AM
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The Politics of the Man Behind "24"
From the New Yorker.

The office desk of Joel Surnow—the co-creator and executive producer of “24,” th popular counterterrorism drama on Fox—face a wall dominated by an American flag in glass case. A small label reveals that the fla once flew over Baghdad, after the America invasion of Iraq, in 2003. A few years ago Surnow received it as a gift from an Arm regiment stationed in Iraq; the soldiers ha shared a collection of “24” DVDs, he told me until it was destroyed by an enemy bomb. “Th military loves our show,” he said recently Surnow is fifty-two, and has the gangly, coile energy of an athlete; his hair is close-cropped and he has a “soul patch”—a smidgen of bear beneath his lower lip. When he was young, h worked as a carpet salesman with his father The trick to selling anything, he learned, is t carry yourself with confidence and get th customer to like you within the first fiv minutes. He’s got it down. “People in th Administration love the series, too,” he said. “It’s a patriotic show. They should love it.”

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“24,” which last year won an Emmy Award for Outstanding Drama Series, packs an improbable amount of intrigue into twenty-four hours, and its outlandishness marks it clearly as a fantasy, an heir to the baroque potboilers of Tom Clancy and Vince Flynn. Nevertheless, the show obviously plays off the anxieties that have beset the country since September 11th, and it sends a political message. The series, Surnow told me, is “ripped out of the Zeitgeist of what people’s fears are—their paranoia that we’re going to be attacked,” and it “makes people look at what we’re dealing with” in terms of threats to national security. “There are not a lot of measures short of extreme measures that will get it done,” he said, adding, “America wants the war on terror fought by Jack Bauer. He’s a patriot.”

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For all its fictional liberties, “24” depicts the fight against Islamist extremism much as the Bush Administration has defined it: as an all-consuming struggle for America’s survival that demands the toughest of tactics. Not long after September 11th, Vice-President Dick Cheney alluded vaguely to the fact that America must begin working through the “dark side” in countering terrorism. On “24,” the dark side is on full view. Surnow, who has jokingly called himself a “right-wing nut job,” shares his show’s hard-line perspective. Speaking of torture, he said, “Isn’t it obvious that if there was a nuke in New York City that was about to blow—or any other city in this country—that, even if you were going to go to jail, it would be the right thing to do?”

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I guess this sort of confirms what we already knew, but it's an interesting read nonetheless. The creator of the show is all too happy to "do his part" by pushing the fear button. :puke:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 12:58 AM
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1. Not sure how that differs from any series that's "ripped from today's headlines"
There aren't a lot of crime-based shows that carry a strong "everything's fine" message.

Fear, fear, fear.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:00 AM
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2. For one thing, the show deliberately reinforces the message that sidestepping laws
to get intel (i.e., by torture) is always worth it. The show is also specifically about int'l terrorism.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:59 AM
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5. With respect, I think that misses the point
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 02:00 AM by Orrex
24 does indeed show torture with horrifying frequency, but it's wrong to say that it's always shown as being worth it. Throughout the course of the series numerous innocent people have been tortured by "the good guys" in error (I can think of about five off the top of my head), and in any case the depictions of torture serve to muddy any distinction between "good" and "bad" guys.

The more correct formulation of that objection is this:
24 routinely portrays government agents engaged in torture to extract information, but only infrequently is that information sufficiently useful, accurate, or timely to yield a demonstrable benefit to the investigation at hand.

Additionally, the difference between international terrorism and domestic crime in a fictional setting is largely a matter of degree. Historically, cop-based programs have typically included at least one police officer "leaning on" an informant or a suspect in order to gain information. The fact that this coercion has been less graphic or topical is not relevant; it's torture just the same, and in cop-programs it's portrayed as successful with far greater frequency.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:05 AM
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3. That does it.I am boycotting 24! And Keifer Sutherland should be
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 01:05 AM by saracat
ashamed of himself! JMHO!
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:38 AM
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4. Never seen the show.
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 01:39 AM by Meldread
I don't watch much TV. When I watch TV it is normally the Daily Show or Colbert Report. When channel surfing I hit the History Channel, Science Channel or one of the independent media channels such as Link TV or Free Speech TV. Outside of that, I don't bother watching TV very much.

EDIT: I do however watch Boston Legal and Survivor.
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