This is a HUGE story. This story could blow the lid off these criminals...

[Postman]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/16/former-telcom-ceo-bushs-illegal-spying-began-months-before-911-attacks/

Bush was illegally spying BEFORE 9/11.

Why? On whom? For what reason?

Was he spying on potential terrorist operations inside the US and did nothing?

Was he spying on political opponents?

[seemslikeadream]

1. Ya think he might have heard something about planes flying into buildings

:shrug:

[shraby]

4. Nope, he didn't because Condi told us they

couldn't imagine planes being flown into buildings.

[NoGodsNoMasters]

49. That makes me so mad!!!

When she was in front of the 9/11 comission (I loved watching her squirm.) I nearly had a heart attack when she said something to the effect of 'Oh, the title of that document was very ambiguous,..i think it was titled something like "TERRORISTS DETERMINED to ATTACK with PLANES in UNITED STATES." WTF?!!! You know it's so "ambiguous" I can hardly puzzle it out. (j/k) Moreover a terrorist attack in new york was on FEMA's (before bush fucked it up)list of ten most likely disasters to happen in the united states, incidentally, so was a major flood in New Orleans. The writing on the wall.. ::sighs::

[rusty quoin]

7. I thought about that earlier tonight watching Frontline.

They say everything changed after 9/11. I thought they were just preparing for 9/11. Just thinking ahead.

[Postman]

12. and the Patriot Act was an off-the-shelf, pre-packaged document ready to be signed...

what else do they have ready to go?

[rusty quoin]

15. Right! I thought about that too.

[superkia]

34. Look at our candidates that signed that document.

Its sad to say but the same people that voted yes and enabled Bush to go to war, voted yes on that pre-packaged document. Just think, it looks like we will be electing one of those same people, what the hell is wrong with Americans that we support people who have made these horrible decisions and we belittle the ones who were against both measures...Dennis Kucinich.

Biden, Clinton, Dodd and Edwards all voted yes to both the war and the patriot act. Scary that so many people that call themselves democrats, vote for people that don't represent the best interest of the people. If we continue to support these same people in the primaries, I'm sure we will see what else they have ready to go. Scary shit!

[loudsue]

44. "What the hell is wrong w/ Americans..." Electronic Voting, for one.

If we didn't vote 'em in, we can't very well vote 'em out.

Get active at the state level, everyone!!!

:kick:

[leftchick]

38. I believe we know that

private armies, martial law, and Halliburton built detention centers. :scared:

[BornagainDUer]

43. Yep, all they needed was a "catalyzing event" as PNAC and Brezizinski

iterated in their respective works. Brezi's book "The Grand Chessboard" and the 1997 PNAC paper both call for "Pearl Harbor" like attack to kick start their fascist dictatorship.

[ProfessorPlum]

48. Exactly right - read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" for

details on what they'll have waiting for us after the next disaster.

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. Sure, it should be huge...but, silly, don't you know that outrage is out of fashion??

The last 7 years has seen to many impeachable offenses that the media and much of the public has escaped to things that they can process - Britney's nasty little life and tragic issues, reality shows - all that real important stuff. Scandal? Real news? Fuggedaboudit.

[rusty quoin]

3. On whom?

Democrats

[SeattleGirl]

5. I wonder why this is just breaking (well, given the current state of news,

I guess it's no surprise), but I do remember Randi Rhodes talking about this several times months and months ago, that they had been spying on us before 9/11.

[TheDebbieDee]

8. I remember seeing threads about warrentless wiretapping

occurring before 9/11 here on DU in 2004 or 2005.

[SeattleGirl]

10. Well, it's nice that it's finally hitting the main stream, but what the

hell took so long?

[flyarm]

14. and i remember reading about it in the san fran case against the telecoms..

that is until the feds held up the case!!

this was discussed a long time ago..seems the justice dept didn't want this case to go far ..

but the lawyers who were involved that we spied on went public with this a long time ago!!

psssssssssss..seems the media just got the memo..

fly

[SeattleGirl]

18. It obviously fell down the memory hole, so someone had to write

and send a new one.

[quiet.american]

6. What can I say? From your lips to God's ears -- will the sheeple shrug? n/t

[wicket]

9. K & R

:kick:

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. In another reality it may happen

but not on this reality...

I hate to say it, but nothing wil lead to impeachment

[Postman]

13. Why have laws?

It really is a friggin' joke any more. This country is such a fraud when it comes to this kind of thing.

[flyarm]

16. read Ray McGoverns article..

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/101407a.html

NSA Spying: What Did Pelosi Know? - By Ray McGovern



By Ray McGovern
October 15, 2007

[orleans]

37. thanks for the link. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. It is up to us

truly

And it is time for all of us to collectively take to the streets and demand accountabilty

That is what will restore order

They won't do it

It is up to us

[peacetalksforall]

26. Man, my opinion of Pelosi is plummeting - I hope I hear more of both sides

and SOMETHING rescues her from my opinion. I don't think a person is a patriot if they don't break the secrecy and do something. If this is true, the right wing neo-con pnac barons must be pleased with her.

I admit I have not been able to follow this carefully - if there is an explanation anywhere, I'd like to learn about it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Oh there are many theories but we're running out of tme

that is the truth

[illinoisprogressive]

19. I posted this a week ago and no one noticed it.

[NoodleyAppendage]

20. They wanted to be informed about progress towards the 9/11 trigger event. LIHOP.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that spying picked up warnings of 9/11 and these were monitored for the event and eventual roll out of the PNAC/Neocon plan. They wanted a "Pearl Harbor-like event," so maybe they decided to spy to see if one was in the planning so they could coordinate things like the Unitary President push and the Patriot Act?

J

[AntiFascist]

41. Pearl Harbor itself was also a LIHOP event, btw....

Most Americans are too proud to face the truth even about something that long ago.

[loudsue]

47. And make sure Ashcroft was flying on private jets, and that the

military geneerals changed their flying date just the day before 9/11, according to the newsweek Sept. 23, 2001 magazine article.

They knew it was coming, and they knew when.

Bastards.

:kick:

[DemGa]

21. What is wrong with Congress?

This story will go straight down the memory hole as usual; it seems the Congress and most of what's left of journalists are terrified of something.

At least I can save the link to remind myself it really happened.

[peacetalksforall]

22. So, that was under Ashcroft. What's up with him - did he find it lawful?

[EVDebs]

23. Major pre9/11 NSA policy shift in Greg Palast article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2023410#2026138

also, another DU post said that John Edwards was being spied upon by * and company. The NSA abuse, like the CIA abuse during Watergate, is an impeachable offense.

Oh, I forgot, the SCOTUS has implemented the GOP 'ollie ollie oxen free' get outta jail free cards.

[bridgit]

24. not just 'political opponents', this junta keys on Big Bizz, spying on the flow...

of communiques that speak to the movement/formation of capital, partnerships, etc, is what they're also interested in; they're looking for that upper inside hand cause they have no good ideas american business has bottomed out/flat-lined, at that level at which they operate it is all jumping claims imo

while important there being people that want to bring this nation down, for bush, the war on terror is a ruse to disguise domestic enemies enter: the NSA

[Disturbed]

25. Verizon spied 790 times without a Warrent.

AT&T & the others?

[bridgit]

27. let's do find out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=62997&mesg_id=62997

[baldguy]

28. Do you have to ask?

Name the Democratic leadership in 2001.

[tom_paine]

29. Ummm, only if people can be found to prosecute.

Just like Caesar and the Roman Senate. Just like Hitler and the Reichstag.

It's no longer a matter of Law, is is a matter of Will (as in all totaliraian nations and thosetrending towards it, as Amerika is currently).

[RufusTFirefly]

30. No, it's not huge. Nothing's huge. After all...

... we haven't caught Osama Bin Laden, and the anthrax case is still officially unsolved. Meanwhile, we're going to invade Iran using virtually the same playbook that we used to illegally invade Iraq. And no one seems to care. The days of "huge" are dead and gone.

(unless, of course, there's a sex scandal that involves a Democrat and an intern.)

[HughMoran]

31. Watching Olbermann report about this now on repeat

This is HUGH!!!!11

Just kidding - it really does point to a pattern of willingness to break the law by Bushco that predates his so called "excuse".

I really think more people should be studying Straussian philosophy - these neocons are his deciples.

[tandem5]

32. So many lids get blown off...

they just never get very far off the ground.

[Raksha]

33. So this is what it boils down to:

What did Pelosi know, and when did she know it?

[earth mom]

36. Sigh. If only this was "THE STORY" that changes things. So...how many has there been so far?

Answer: Too damn many to count.

The reason that we are where we are now is that NO ONE in office will do a damn thing about the criminals in charge.

That's because most of em are covering their own a$$es OR are in on it too.

:puke:

[Wednesdays]

39. K and R for the morning crew

nt

[timtom]

40. The lid has already been blown off these criminals

years ago.

It's just that mainstream America is in a major state of denial.

"Whatever truth is, whatever reality is, don't tell me, cause I don't wanna know!"

[Bluebear]

42. So, is impeachment STILL off the table?

[AuntPatsy]

45. Acording to Pelosi but not according the those with brains.

[MetaTrope]

46. But what about the spy networks he shut down - monitoring the Saudis and al-Qaeda?

Able Danger, Catcher's Mitt, and Monarch Passage...isn't it too bad considering what happened?

[robinlynne]

50. ACtually since FISA got put aside for another week, we should hit home about this right now.

congress critters should bring this up in the fisa debate.