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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:34 AM
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'Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California??????
I saw this posted on a friends web-site. I know it's source is Worldnetdaily, but I'd like some ammo to combat it. Thanks.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:41 AM
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1. I don't understand what you're talking about...
Can you explain?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:48 AM
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3. a cut and paste
BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
'Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California
Schwarzenegger signs law outlawing terms perceived as negative to 'gays'

Posted: October 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Mom and Dad" as well as "husband and wife" have been banned from California schools under a bill signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who with his signature also ordered public schools to allow boys to use girls restrooms and locker rooms, and vice versa, if they choose.
"We are shocked and appalled that the governor has blatantly attacked traditional family values in California ," said Karen England, executive director of Capitol Resource Institute.
"With this decision, Gov. Schwarzenegger has told parents that their values are irrelevant. Many parents will have no choice but to pull their children out of the public schools that have now become s*exualized indoctrination centers."
"Arnold Schwarzenegger has delivered young children into the hands of those who will introduce them to alternative s*exual lifestyles," said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families, which worked to defeat the plans. "This means children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms.
"Shame on Schwarzenegger and the Democrat politicians for ensuring that every California school becomes a homos*exual-bis*exual-transs*exual indoctrination center," he said.

Analysts have warned that schools across the nation will be impacted by the decision, since textbook publishers must cater to their largest purchaser, which often is California , and they will be unlikely to go to the expense of having a separate edition for other states.
The bills signed by Schwarzenegger include SB777, which bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homos*exuality, bis*exuality and other alternative lifestyle choices.
There are no similar protections for students with traditional or conservative lifestyles and beliefs, however.
"SB 777 will result in reverse discrimination against students with religious and traditional family values," said Meredith Turney, legislative liaison for Capitol Resource Institute. "These students have lost their voice as the direct result of Gov. Schwarzenegger's unbelievable decision. The terms 'mom and dad' or 'husband and wife' could promote discrimination against homos*exuals if a same-s*ex couple is not also featured.
"Parents want the assurance that when their children go to school they will learn the fundamentals of reading, writing and arithmetic - not social indoctrination regarding alternative s*exual lifestyles. Now that SB777 is law, schools will in fact become indoctrination centers for s*exual experimentation," she said.
Also signed was AB394, which targets parents and teachers for such indoctrination through "anti-harassment" training, CCF said.
Schwarzenegger had vetoed almost identical provisions a year ago, saying existing state law already provided for penalties for discrimination.
"We had hoped that the governor would once again veto this outrageous legislation but he obviously decided to side with the out-of-touch extremists that control the legislature. This law does not reflect the true values of the average Californian," said England . "True leadership means standing up for what is true and right."
Thomasson said SB777 prohibits any "instruction" or school-sponsored "activity" that "promotes a discriminatory bias" against "gender" - the bill's definition includes cross-dressing and s*ex changes - as well as "s*exual orientation."
"Because no textbook or instruction in California public schools currently disparages transs*exuality, bis*exuality, or homos*exuality, the practical effect of SB777 will be to require positive portrayals of these s*exual lifestyles at every government-operated school," CCF noted.
Offenders will face the wrath of the state Department of Education, up to and including lawsuits.
CCF noted that now on a banned list will be any text, reference or teaching aid that portrays marriage as only between a man and woman, materials that say people are born male or female (and not in between), sources that fail to include a variety of transs*exual, bis*exual and homose*xual historical figures, and s*ex education materials that fail to offer the option of se*x changes.
Further, homecoming kings now can be either male or female - as can homecoming queens, and students, whether male or female, must be allowed to use the restroom and locker room corresponding to the s*ex with which they choose to identify.
AB394 promotes the same issues through state-funded publications, postings, curricula and handouts to students, parents and teachers.
It also creates the circumstances where a parent who says marriage is only for a man and a woman in the presence of a lesbian teacher could be convicted of "harassment," and a student who believes people are born either male or female could be reported as a "harasser" by a male teacher who wears women's clothes, CCF said.
Thomasson said Schwarzenegger also signed AB14, which prohibits state funding for any program that does not support a range of alternative s*exual practices, including state-funded social services run by churches.
Affected will be day cares, preschool or after-school programs, food and housing programs, senior services, anti-gang efforts, jobs programs and others.
Thomasson said it also forces every hospital in California - even private, religious hospitals - to adopt policies in support of transse*xuality, bise*xuality, and homose*xuality and opens up nonprofit organizations to lawsuits if they exclude members that engage in homos*exual, bis*exual, or transs*exual conduct.
"It's the height of intolerance to punish individuals, organizations, businesses, and churches that have moral standards on se*xual conduct and se*xual lifestyles," said Thomasson, in response to the signing of AB14. "This is another insensitive law that violates people's moral boundaries."
The vitriol over the issue rose to new levels in its latest campaign.
As WND reported, a board member for the homos*exual advocacy group Equality California verbally attacked and threatened CRI for its opposition to the bill earlier.
The board member sent an e-mail and video to CRI threatening the group would be buried if it continued efforts opposing the homos*exual advocacy.
"The shocking hate mail we received shows that those behind this legislation do not promote true tolerance," said England . "Only politically correct speech will be tolerated. Those with religious or traditional moral beliefs will not be allowed to express their opinions in public schools."
She also cited an informational document published by the Gay-Straight Alliance Network and the Transgender Law Center that already is lobbying for special treatment in the school system.
"If you want to use a restroom that matches your gender identity . you should be allowed to do so," it advises. "Whenever students are divided up into boys and girls, you should be allowed to join the group or participate in the program that matches your gender identity as much as possible."
Further, the groups advise, "If you change your name to one that better matches your gender identity, a school needs to use that name to refer to you." The advocacy group also warns schools against bringing parents into any such discussion with students.
WND has documented a number of earlier cases in which educators, including leaders in California , have taken it upon themselves to promote a homosexual lifestyle to children under their charge.
WND reported California Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell, under whose supervision hundreds of thousands of children are being educated, has used his state position and taxpayer-funded stationery to praise a "gay" pride event used in the past to expose children to se*xually explicit activities.
That drew vehement objections from several educators, including Priscilla Schreiber, the president of the Grossmont Unified High School District governing board.
"I am outraged that a person in this high-ranking elected position would advocate an event where diversity is not just being celebrated but where pornography and indecent exposure is being perpetrated on the young and innocent children of our communities," she said.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:02 AM
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7. That is one stinky pile of crap
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:07 AM
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8. I LOVE the "se*x" . . . every mention of sex has to be interrupted with an asterisk LOL
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:13 AM
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12. Images, Words, Even THOUGHTS pertaining to SEX are daaaaaaaangerous!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:24 AM
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13. Haw! I hadn't noticed that
I'll bet it's done to get past WND's own content management software, rather than for our benefit. If some wayward reporter submits an article with "sex", it probably gets replaced with "special divine purpose", and the klaxons go off in Joseph Farah's office, which makes him burst out harrumphing and squalling for another special issue devoted to the SMUT-ification of America. Put in an asterisk and the day passes peaceably.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:31 AM
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14. Isn't that special
It's one of the most right wing idiotic sites alive. I'm about to write a certain friend and that site off as a waste.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:19 AM
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19. "Mentally molested"
What a perfect description of religious indoctrination (Sunday School).
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:51 AM
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4. Nothing to see here folks, move along....
...its just some more WorldNetNuttery and hysteria. You know, the usual.

'Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California
Schwarzenegger signs law outlawing terms perceived as negative to 'gays'

-----------------------------------------------------------
Posted: October 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2007 WorldNetDaily.com

"Mom and Dad" as well as "husband and wife" effectively have been banned from California schools under a bill signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who with his signature also ordered public schools to allow boys to use girls restrooms and locker rooms, and vice versa, if they choose. "We are shocked and appalled that the governor has blatantly attacked traditional family values in California," said Karen England, executive director of Capitol Resource Institute.

"With this decision, Gov. Schwarzenegger has told parents that their values are irrelevant. Many parents will have no choice but to pull their children out of the public schools that have now become sexualized indoctrination centers."

"Arnold Schwarzenegger has delivered young children into the hands of those who will introduce them to alternative sexual lifestyles," said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families, which worked to defeat the plans. "This means children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms.

"Shame on Schwarzenegger and the Democrat politicians for ensuring that every California school becomes a homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination center," he said.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58130


- Yeah, yeah. Put sock in it.....
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:00 AM
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6. Rather than just blowing me off
I told you to start with it was WND crap. What I want is the truth behind the law. Can you help with that?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:12 AM
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11. Okay
Here's the bill as submitted (pdf file):

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/sen/sb_0751-0800/sb_777_bill_20070223_introduced.pdf

And here it is with amendments:

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/sen/sb_0751-0800/sb_777_bill_20070223_introduced.html

It's just an extension of the prohibitions against discrimination. Groups that are protected are expanded and more explicitly defined. The wingnuts are just doing their usual spin-it-into-absurdity schtick, because they're too chickenshit to flat out say they don't like their homo-hating outlawed. "Mom and Dad" won't disappear from textbooks or classrooms.

Existing law prohibits a teacher from giving instruction, and a
school district from sponsoring any activity, that reflects adversely
upon persons because of their race, sex, color, creed, handicap,
national origin, or ancestry.
Existing law prohibits the State Board of Education and the
governing board of a school district from adopting for use in the
public schools any instructional materials that reflect adversely
upon persons because of their race, sex, color, creed, handicap,
national origin, or ancestry.
This bill would revise the list of prohibited bases of
discrimination and the kinds of prohibited instruction, activities,
and instructional materials and instead, would refer to disability,
gender, nationality, race or ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation,
or any other characteristic contained in the definition of hate
crimes that is contained in the Penal Code. The bill would define
disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity, religion, and
sexual orientation for this purpose.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:45 AM
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2. Huh?
:shrug:
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:59 AM
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5. Here's the text:
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:07 AM
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9. Just because your friends are crazy, deluded nutcases is no reason to believe what thay say.
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 02:08 AM by ConsAreLiars
Why post their rantings here and expect to be be taken seriously. Well, if you want to promote and publicize that insanity, that would be a reason. Can't think of any other. No facts every will convince an insane person to change. You might as well go start "proving" to some bible-thumper con artist or true believer that Planet Earth is more than 6-8-10,000 years old. Don't waste your time.

(edit - fix typo)
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:34 AM
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15. oh never mind.
did you not see I was looking for the other side of their arguement?
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:49 AM
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16. You cannot ever expect that presenting "the other side of their arguement"
to utterly delusional ideologues will accomplish anything. Go ahead, waste your time if that is what you want to do, but in the meantime you are acting as if you believe they are at least halfway sane and giving them publicity.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:50 AM
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17. That group knows me much better than that. nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:11 AM
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10. Has your "friend" suffered some kind of head trauma? This is obviously Religious Right nut-cluckery.
The short summary? Schools can't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:23 AM
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18. Laydeez 'n' gennulmun, a new indoor record in conclusion-jumping!
England told WND that the law is not a list of banned words, including "mom" and "dad." But she said the requirement is that the law bans discriminatory bias.

"Having 'mom' and 'dad' promotes a dicsriminatory bias. You have to either get rid of 'mom' and 'dad' or include everything when talking about (parental issues)," she said. "They (promoters of sexual alternative lifestyles) do consider that discriminatory."



In other words, "Well, there aren't actually any banned words — BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN!!!11"

Why does it never occur to the tiny minds that anti-discrimination is synonomous with inclusion? There can be Mommies and Daddies and others.

:eyes:

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:45 AM
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20. It's similar to a manufactured outrage over a Scottish booklet on LGBT awareness a few months ago
The booklet, for workers in the health sector, said, amongst many other things,

“LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered) people can and do have children, sexual orientation or gender identity has nothing to do with good parenting or good child care,” the booklet states.

“Individual circumstances lead to varied family structures and parenting arrangements. It is important to be aware of this. When talking to children, consider using ‘parents‘, ‘carers’ or ‘guardians’ rather than ‘mother’ or ‘father‘.

Along the same lines, the directive points out, use of the terms ‘husband’, ‘wife’ and ‘marriage’ is not acceptable since such terms exclude lesbian, gay and bisexual people. Instead, health care workers should use the terms ‘partners’ and ‘next of kin’. Since ‘next of kin’ is often understood to mean nearest blood relative, however, the booklet recommends that it may be preferable to use ‘partner, close friend or close relative’ to avoid confusion.

“This allows the patient to identify and choose who is important to them.”


The awful 'LifeSiteNews' anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, anti-liberal site managed to turn that into a claim and headline "Use of ‘Mom’ and ‘Dad’ Too “Homophobic”, Scottish Nurses Told".
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