Congratulations Nancy! You have handed Chimpy a FANTASTIC talking point..

[truebrit71]

...the Do Nothing Congress!!!

I KNOW that the Dems are well-known to be a bunch of cat-wranglers, but when you cave EVERY SINGLE TIME it makes it SOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier for the rethuglicans to deflect from their own failures and paint you as a bunch of out-of-focus, ineffective, spineless, gutless weenies...

Nancy needs to step down, and we need someone to stand up and FUCKING LEAD!!!

[Wapsie B]

1. No argument from me at all.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. If Chimpy called this the 'do nothing Congress' and you are too lazy to fact

check (hint: compare to the previous Congressional sessions) and believe it, why are you on DU?

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[Kolesar]

15. Really. That profanity directed at the poster was wholly uncalled for!

Where is the love?

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[Marrah_G]

35. Did someone pee in your cheerios this morning?

Just askin'.....

:shrug:

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[Marrah_G]

41. Ah yes, you are one of the ones who like to call people Nazi followers.

Well, buh-bye now. Have zero use for that kind of nonsense.

[truebrit71]

45. C-YA! That's not what the phrase means, but by all accounts..

...go ahead and enjoy your outrage...

'Good Germans' means to go along with something that you KNOW is wrong, but pretend that you either don't see it, or it isn't real...

Kinda like saying that the Dems are doing a fan-fucking-tastic job in Congress, even though they haven't been able to slow down (and in some case INCREASE) the speed with which the constitution is being destroyed, whilst not stopping wars, or warrantless wire-tappings...But we MUSN'T bash the Dems, because that's what the right-wing is for?

Really?

Lemming much?

[Virginia Dare]

53. So you will continue to push Bush's bullshit talking point..

and if we take offense to it, we're lemmings and good germans. Niiice.

[truebrit71]

55. No, that's NOT what I said...

..I am urging the Dems to get off their backsides and DO THEIR FRIGGIN JOBS!!!

The good germans are the ones that tell those that say things like that that they are bad DU'ers and that we shouldn't bash the Dems...So, according to thier logic, we shouldn't try to hold accountable, those that through their own ineffectiveness/gutlessness/timidity refuse to hold the pretzeldent accountable either? (you know, what they were hired for)

[roguevalley]

57. God, that woman needs replacing. SIGH!

[sinkingfeeling]

31. See post #8. I guess that you've called your representatives about the

SCHIP override vote to be held tomorrow or do you have more important things to do?

[terisan]

33. I think it is important to the Armenians, many of whom settled in California.

I believe William Saroyan was Armenian.

Bringing up a genocide from 100 years ago might be important to do now as the Turks are eyeing the Kurdish oil fields. (as I am sure Bush was warned they would if he invaded Iraq).

Heck the Ottoman empire extended to Palestine not so long ago-it had a regular harem of states it dominated.

Turkey has been low key because they wast entry into the European Union but the lure of the oil may be irresistable.

[robinlynne]

46. well 2/3 of DUers feel that way. and we're not comparing to the previous congress. We are democrats.

There should be no possibale comparison. It should be a 180 degree change.

[truebrit71]

50. "too lazy to fact check"?

What have they done, exactly, oh wise and all knowledgeable one?

[opihimoimoi]

3. Bush has handed a lot more talking points to the DEM Side of thing as well

so much so...he is considered the kiss of death on the PUB Campaign Trail

[Cha]

30. But, are they USING

them, opihi? Or too much caving?

[Kolesar]

4. Your post said nothing

...about a "talking point"

[truebrit71]

5. Ummm..."Do Nothing Congress"...

...or was that too hidden... :shrug:

[Kolesar]

12. Am I supposed to watch TeeVee all day to understand your posts???

[truebrit71]

18. It was in the body of the post...

...

[Kolesar]

19. Poorly constructed original post...eom

[truebrit71]

21. "the Do Nothing Congress!!!" Quote from the original body of the text...

...poorly constructed my ass...

Poorly READ...maybe more accurate...

[Kolesar]

24. You need a different hobby

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[TornadoTN]

6. Agreed - we need to see something substantive

I'm not talking about impeachment (which I support) - we need to see fire and brimstone from the Dems. not this limp-wristed bargaining that is prevalent today. They have yet to stand up to him and I firmly believe they will cave on S-CHIP.

Now the right can say "Well, what did they do when they were in office?!" and then I'll pretty much have to say, "well, nothing". Sad, really.

[Ian David]

7. This congress has had more role call votes than any other congress in history.

It's not so much a "do-nothing" congress as a "treadmill" congress.

They're running their little legs off, but going nowhere, because the Republickers keep staging pretend filibusters.

[kevinmc]

8. Democratic-Led Congress Breaks Record For Highest Number Of Roll Call Votes In History

Conservatives have repeatedly criticized the Democratic-led Congress for not passing enough legislation… But a new Politico analysis finds that this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any other Congress in history… Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives.


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/09/roll-call-record/

[rodeodance]

11. but the lazy cable media talk show hosts will not correct this.

[kevinmc]

14. You are right, but we need to at least correct the lazy DU'ers ......

that take everything they hear come out of the Republicans and the RW Media as truth.

:)

[truebrit71]

28. Who's taking it as truth? Not me...but everytime they cave...the add another arrow into..

...the gop armory...

Or did the MSM in this country suddenly rediscover what reporting and journalism means?

[Hutzpa]

70. PSST!! Take a look at this......

↓ ↓ ↓

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/09/roll-call-record/


It might help.

[tridim]

23. Nor will the Dem-bashers on DU.

I'm sick of it.

[robinlynne]

48. right, they voted to censure moveon, voted to remove our fisa protection, voted in more war funding

over and over, just great.

[rodeodance]

9. Its the WH blame game and most people recognize the ruse.

[rodeodance]

13. I think Pelosi needs our support now-NOT dissing her (WH/RW is doing it-she does not need us to

diss her also)

[Kolesar]

20. There is the love! ... eom

[robinlynne]

49. Maybe she should comprehend that the WH is not full of nice guys....

[malaise]

16. Is that why Gonzo resigned?

Rove? So many DOJ staff? Congress should really do nothing and not even discuss this Bush crap.

[FredScuttle]

17. Really?

Is this what it's come to? President Bunnypants flings his poo and calls Congress "Do-Nothing" and you fall right in line? What the fuck did you expect him to say? "Congrats on the most active Congress in their first 100 days in history?" "Kudos for having the most roll-call votes in history....too bad the assholes in my party are filibustering everything under the sun?"

Remind me to stand in front of you in case of an attack....I might be run over by you rushing to the rear otherwise.

[truebrit71]

25. ..and they've done WHAT exactly? I mean, other than cave-in and capitulate...

War = still going
Vetoes = Not over-ridden
Wire Tapping = Still going on
Subpoenas = Still ignored...


I'm sorry, WHAT have they done exactly?

[Catshrink]

64. Exact;ly

The '06 elections were about getting those things done.

[ellisonz]

65. As much as they can reasonably be expected to do...

You don't happen to have about 17 GOP turncoats in the Senate and about 3 times that in the House in your back pocket do you? I thought not.

;-)

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. I'm sure that Steny Hoyer or Rahm Emmanuel would gladly take over

[truebrit71]

29. Maxine Waters, Henry Waxman would be MUCH better choices..

...

[Moochy]

34. Hobsons Choice

Hobson's Choice

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson/'s_choice

[Moochy]

54. Oops

Silly DU... single quotes are VALID INSIDE HTML LINKS!! :P so here is the text. remove the \\ in front of the ''
The workaround is to use bbcode and use the numeric entity for the apostrophe. :( & #39;
< a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson's_choice" >Hobson's Choice< /a >

Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one option is offered. The choice is therefore between taking the option or not taking it. The phrase is said to originate from Thomas Hobson (1544–1630), a livery stable owner at Cambridge, England who, in order to rotate the use of his horses, offered customers the choice of either taking the horse in the stall nearest the door—or taking none at all.

The first known written usage of this phrase is in Joseph Addison's paper The Spectator (October 14, 1712), though it also appears in Thomas Ward's 1688 poem "England's Reformation", not published until after Ward's death. Ward wrote, "Where to elect there is but one, / 'Tis Hobson's choice—take that, or none." Charlotte Perkins Gilman uses the phrase in her novel "Herland".

Hobson's choice is different from:

* a true choice between two (or more) equally disagreeable or agreeable options
* blackmail (do something, or have some unpleasant fact about your past revealed)
* extortion (do something or suffer unpleasant consequences of some other sort)
* a Catch-22 situation, where both (or all) choices available actually cancel each other out.

[Hutzpa]

71. Your point exactly............

if I'm reading you correctly...is that Nancy and Harry

have been given the Hobsons' choice...hence the toothlessness

hmmmm....that makes it vvery in-ter-resting.

These fuckers(*&co) are good at what they do...reeal good!!


:dilemma:

[tom_paine]

32. The sad truth. This Armenian Resolution is a pointless debacle.

Not that I am opposed to it in priciple but the poor, tone-deaf TIMING of it...

I only wonder, Nancy is as bad or worse than Tom Daschle...

what worse might we get in Pelosi's place if SHE is replaced?

Maybe they should just nominate Karl Rove. This Armenian Resolution was such a political blunder on so many levels I wonder if this wasn't a construction of Bushevik moles within the Democratic Party or of Rove himself.

[Virginia Dare]

37. And you bought it lock stock and barrel apparently.....n/t

[truebrit71]

38. Yeah, they've been REALLY effective so far...

..i can't wait til they start to debate whether the Earth is really flat instead of the immaterial things like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, ending an illegal war...you know...MINOR shit like that... :eyes:

[Virginia Dare]

39. There have been no debates about ending the war?

:eyes:

I guess you've missed all of the oversight hearings too?

:eyes: :eyes:

[truebrit71]

40. To WHAT effect? How are those subpoenas working out?

How's that challenge to executive privilege coming along?

Pull the other leg, it's got bells on.. :eyes:

[Virginia Dare]

42. So you buy that it's all the Dems fault?

that the repubs aren't at fault whatsoever for their obstructionism?

[truebrit71]

47. The Dems have the majority. They decide what comes up for votes...

...contempt of congress citations should be so far ahead of 'Armenian Genocide' that it isn't even funny...

But that might actually cause *gasp* a conflict....and we can't have that...

[onenote]

61. so chimpy's going to attack the Dems for not issuing subpoenas or stopping the war?

What are you smoking this morning and will you share?

[robinlynne]

51. There was one bill.

[ProSense]

43. Congratulations Nancy, Bush has a 24% approval and just went on TV begging

for you to give him what he wants (which actually means he hasn't gotten it.

See this. The do-nothings in Congress are the Roadblock Republicans.

The Democrats have actually passed some really good legislation.

[opihimoimoi]

58. Yup...I agree 100 %

[ProSense]

44. Here's your

Mr. Success, a failed propagandist!

[formercia]

56. LINO

Leader in name only.

[BuyingThyme]

59. Yes, step down and get out of the way.

You have done nothing for this country.

[erpowers]

60. Bush Doing the Same Thing

Bush is doing the same thing he did before Pelosi was Speaker of the House. From the time Bush got into office he has been saying that Democrats are holding up things in Congress. Even when his party was in control of Congress, when Bush did not get his way he came out saying that the Democrats were preventing things from getting done in Congress.

Nancy Pelosi does not need to resign. At this point people should give Pelosi a break. She is doing a pretty good job. A number of things have been accomplished by the Democrats. The problem Bush has with the Democrats is that they are not just lying down and letting him do everything he wants to do. What Nancy Pelosi and all the other Democrats need to do is hold a press conference and go down the list of all the things Congress has accomplished since the Democrats have gained control of Congress. As far as I know the Democrats accomplished almost everything they had on their 100 day list.

[saltpoint]

62. Long-time Nancy Pelosi supporter here.

She'll likely be returned by a handsome margin to the 111th Congess by her constituents and her colleagues are likely to have her continue as Speaker.

I'm pleased with those likelihoods.

[truebrit71]

66. Because she's done such a bang-up job right?

Standing up for Democratic principles and all that...??

:eyes:

[saltpoint]

67. I applaud her constituents' acute good political instincts and that

includes their repeated endorsement of Congresswoman Pelosi's performance as their representative.

I have voted in that district not so very long go and were I still there riegstered would cast my vote for Ms. Pelosi once again, with pleasure and with enthusiasm.

[Supersedeas]

63. Immunity to Telecommunication companies for pre-9/11 violations of privacy - wtg Nancy

[izzybeans]

68. except they've set records for the amount of work they've done this year.

Bush is a liar. Next time he opens his mouth remember that and remind anyone that thinks otherwise.

[truebrit71]

69. So they restored habeus corpus? They DIDN'T give immunity to the telecoms?

They de-funded the war? They stopped the wire-taps? They enforced the subpoenas?

No?

Then they haven't done SHIT...