Al Gore is not running

[LSK]

RestoreGore posted this a week or 2 ago and for me its the most convincing thing that he IS NOT RUNNING.

Former US Vice President Al Gore will be the keynote speaker at a 2008 conference devoted to climate change and its impact on wine.

The International Climate Change and Wine conference, the second to be organised by the Wine Academy of Spain, will take place in Barcelona in February 2008.

The roster of speakers includes international consultants Michel Rolland and Dr Richard Smart, and winemakers Miguel Torres of Bodegas Miguel Torres, Ernst Loosen of the Dr Loosen estate in Germany, and Bruno Prats, former owner of Chateau Cos d'Estournel.

Gore, a speaker and champion environmental awareness and author of An Inconvenient Truth and star of the documentary of the same name, will kick off the two-day event on February 15.

http://www.decanter.com/news/148315.html?aff=rss

Now tell me, would a presidential candidate go speak at a convention in Spain the middle of the Primaries prime time season?????? NO.

[helderheid]

1. Not a candidate that is about business as usual. n/t

[Gidney N Cloyd]

2. Would he? He might. And he'll probably need a drink right about then.

[Cha]

3. Also, there is this..

"Former US Vice-President Al Gore has ruled out a late entry into the 2008 presidential race.

In an interview with Norwegian broadcaster NRK, he said he would not run for the White House again.

Mr Gore told NRK he wanted to focus on his climate change campaigning, which won him a Nobel Peace Prize last week.

The beaten Democratic candidate in the 2000 election, he had repeatedly said he had no interest in a fresh bid for the White House.

Mr Gore told NRK it was a "great honour" to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his climate campaigning."

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7048370.stm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3031311

[flyarm]

8. AP -- The actual headline is "Gore Says Still No Plans to Run"

AP -- The actual headline is "Gore Says Still No Plans to Run"


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hoTNke4PRAdPa-S92OW1NLX90fCwD8SASV380

Gore Says Still No Plans to Run
4 hours ago

OSLO, Norway (AP) — Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore says winning the Nobel Peace Prize has not pushed him into entering the 2008 presidential race.

"I don't have plans to be a candidate again, so I don't really see it in that context at all," Gore told Norwegian state broadcaster NRK in an interview broadcast Wednesday. "I'm involved in a different kind of campaign. It's a global campaign. It's a campaign to change the way people think about the climate crisis."

NRK said it interviewed Gore in Nashville, Tenn.

At a press conference last Friday in Palo Alto, California, Gore sidestepped the issue of a U.S. presidential run, saying then that he wanted to "get back to business" on "a planetary emergency."

However, before winning the Nobel Prize he had said repeatedly that he has no plans to run for office in 2008.




fly

pssssssssss..i have no plans for the Christmas holiday right now..and probably won't tommorrow or the next day..but eventually ..i may have holiday plans.........in fact..i know i will have holiday plans..

but today..i have no plans at all..

now thanksgiving..i have holiday plans to be in London..so my plans on Thanksgiving are in the bag!!

[Ghost in the Machine]

30. I have no plans on ever being a catholic priest, either...

that doesn't mean I might change my mind in the future though. I don't plan on it now, I don't plan on it in the future, therefore I never give it a thought.

Gotta look at both sides of your logic for your argument..

just sayin'....

:hi:

I hope you don't think this sounds derogatory towards *you* personally, flyarm, because I don't intend it to be that way. You do a LOT of great work here and enjoy and appreciate your posts...

PEACE!

Ghost

[flyarm]

45. thats my point ..it can mean anything!!

i remember being in a lawsuit and a my lawyers pointing out to me the word.."may"...they used a quarter as a point of reference..

they held out the quarter in their hand..and said..my may take this..you can have it ..you may have it..and they tried to force it on me..and another lawyer was telling me don't take it..

so i may take it ..but i didn't have to...there was nothing that could make me take it..

then they changed the word..to "Must"...

you must take this..and they held the quarter out ..and forced it into my hand..because they said i "must " take it...



well the way Gore is using the "plan " word..is very simliar..it can be used for any different meanings..

there is no right or wrong in it..

it reminds me of the " MAY and Must" illustration..


Oh and the lawyers were right..i was in a lawsuit and the judge said i "may" accept a settlement of money offered prior to going into court and having a jury...

i didn't ..because May did not mean must..

and i won in front of the jury alot more $$...and made the asshole's insurance co..of the guy who hit me headon pay alot more ...


oh and i don't take any of this stuff personally..Ghost in the Machine..this is politics..and since i am now in the twilight of life..i get it that words can mean many different things to different people..

we all have hopes and wishes and opinions..loves and fears..and experiences......gosh ..isn't that a wonderful thing..

and we have all walked in different shoes..we should be different and have different opinions ..and choices.

but we should discuss those differences...and debate..those differences...and we should seek to learn the most we can..after all learning is what really keeps us safe and secure.

fly

[Ghost in the Machine]

48. "after all learning is what really keeps us safe and secure."

That's so very true. I always figure the day I stop learning is the day I die...

I'm almost 45 years old, and still try to learn something new every day. I think I'm fixing to get more than my share of it too.. I just took on the task of homeschooling my son. I'm gonna re-learn a lot of things, and learn a lot of new things along the way....

I fully understand what people are saying when they talk about the "no plans part, but I was just exploring the other side of the coin with my reference.

PEACE!

Ghost

[DefenseLawyer]

10. That doesn't add anything

The actual quote didn't "rule out" anything, just the same standard "I have no plans to be a candidate" answer he has been giving for 3 years now. If you have a quote from Al Gore saying "I will not be a candidate", I'd like to see it.

[flyarm]

11. thank you ..someone else who" gets it "!!..this is a bogus bunch of BS..

the headlines do not match the story..and nothing has changed from what Gore has said all along..

nothing!!

fly

[Uncle Joe]

12. Look at the only quotes attributed to him in that column.

"I don't have plans to be a candidate again so I don't really see it in that context at all.

"I'm involved in another kind of campaign. It's a global campaign to change the way people think about the climate crisis."

He never said ruled out, that was the media, he never said he would not run, that was the media. Everything Al Gore says is present tense, the media turn it in to future tense.

I believe this is just an effort to squelch his rising popularity after the Nobel Peace Prize and as continuous drought throughout the South and West make global warming more apparent every day to the people. The media are trying to shut down a potential candidacy now, as the Draft Gore movement is picking up steam.

[Cha]

18. All right...sorry ya'll! I just saw it

on the Front Page and thought okay..he's not running. Excuuuuuuuuuuse me!:)

[Uncle Joe]

21. No problem, we're all family.

:)

[Cha]

24. Yeah, they got me..and

I should know better..you can't believe a darn word you read in the m$m.

[flyarm]

19. Ding Ding Ding Uncle Joe..you win the 64,000 prize!!

now i didn't say 64,000 dollars..so don't go spending now...

you are 100% correct Uncle Joe..and who was brought out of the cob webs yesterday..by james carville..the rnc is going to run Jebbie..

but who around here said..it is too late for Jeb to run??

i didn't see one post of anyone saying..its too late for Jeb..

this is definitely a plan to try to slow down the draft Gore campaign!


some good reading here..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/12/112252/93

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/12/13455/967

then watch this............

AL GORE: Highlights from 1/06 Speech Blasting Bush Admin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6bMDaX14PQ


fly

[Uncle Joe]

22. But I already spent the money.

:cry:

[flyarm]

28. alert : the checks will bounce..the checks < will bounce>!! lol..eom

[Tinksrival]

4. There's this also:

Al Gore rules out presidential bid
By Laura Clout and agencies
Last Updated: 12:49pm BST 17/10/2007


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/17/wgore117.xml

Former US vice president Al Gore has ruled himself out as a presidential candidate in the 2008 election, quashing speculation that he might consider a bid after winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

Asked how the prize would affect his political future, Mr Gore told Norway’s NRK television: “I don’t have plans to be a candidate again so I don’t really see it in that context at all.”

[dysfunctional press]

25. that headline is NOT supported by the article's content-

"I don’t have plans to be a candidate again so I don’t really see it in that context at all."

that quote from Al doesn't "rule out" a presidential bid, and increases more speculation than it "squashes".

if Al ABSOLUTELY was NOT going to run, he would say so- saying "i don't have plans" leaves the door WIDE open.

[DefenseLawyer]

5. Not if Bob Shrum were advising him.

That would be crazy!

[flyarm]

6. please read this! When will Gore announce? It's about Bali (UPDATED)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/10/8383/4812

When will Gore announce? It's about Bali (UPDATED)

Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 09:20:57 AM PDT

quote:

" The timing of Gore's entry is not so much to do with Hillary, ballot deadlines or any Hamlet-like hesitations on Gore's part as it is about a meeting of world leaders on climate in Bali in Decemberand all the meetings that will follow in the coming years and that will ultimately decide the fate of humanity on this planet. (SEE UPDATE lower down)."

snip:

Yes it is getting late, almost too late, but not for Gore to run for the presidency. To save humanity from itself.

For a long time now, top climate scientists have been "running around with their hair on fire", to borrow a phrase from the 9/11 lexicon, even though the crisis we face is orders of magnitude greater than 10,000 9/11s. But now some of the most respected climate watchers are telling us that we may have already reached the tipping point and even the UN is warning that climate change disaster is upon us.

A record number of floods, droughts and storms around the world this year amount to a climate change "mega disaster", the United Nation's emergency relief coordinator, Sir John Holmes, has warned.

Sir John, a British diplomat who is also known as the UN's under-secretary-general for humanitarian affairs, said dire predictions about the impact of global warming on humanity were already coming true.

"We are seeing the effects of climate change. Any year can be a freak but the pattern looks pretty clear to be honest. That's why we're trying ... to say, of course you've got to deal with mitigation of emissions, but this is here and now, this is with us already," he said.

And this is what is coming down the pipe, if nothing changes, thanks to the Bush Administration.

A climate-change summit is to be held in Bali in December, with the aim of agreeing the principles of a new international treaty to replace Kyoto, the accord that expires in 2012. But the talks face determined US opposition to mandatory emissions targets, and most climate negotiators doubt a real breakthrough can be achieved before the Bush government leaves office in 2009.

(...)

According to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which is leading research on the issue, global warming will disrupt and potentially devastate the lives of billions of people.

And, just as global warming starts to make itself felt, there are signs that "donor fatigue" has set in. Of about $338m (£166m) requested for Ocha's 13 flash appeals this year, only $114m has so far come from donors.

Bali will be crucial, but what happens after Bali will determine the fate of our economies, our environment, our civilisation and maybe even our species, depending on how we respond and whether we do in time. That's where bold, visionary, inspirational, intellectually brilliant and politically experienced, internationally respected and morally authoritative leadership will be essential. No other country bit the U.S. is in a comparable position to lead on this and no U.S. leader other than Gore possesses the required combination of qualifications and knowledge of the system to make the climate issue the "organizing principle" of the U.S. administration.

Let's get our heads out of the sand. Unprecedented urgency, purpose and vision are what this planetary emergency demands. Nothing less.




opinions are like assholes..everyone has one!!

fly

[LSK]

7. I dont think anyone would announce in another country

This is reaching.

[flyarm]

9. like i said opinions are like assholes..everyone has one!! that was my point!

as you posted someone's opinion in your op..someone... that we are all aware of here on DU..and the posters position...

i am pointing out to you someone else's opinion on Daily Kos..

like i said, opinions are like assholes..everyone has one!

fly

[RestoreGore]

49. I didn't post any opinion in my original OP on that

I posted the article because I think it is great that he is doing all of these conferences to raise awareness and because I actually care about the planet. Just so you are clear.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1998886&mesg_id=1998886

[Uncle Joe]

13. I don't believe they would rule it out in another country either. n/t

[flyarm]

15. no he wouldn't...you are correct..he has more integrity than that!

and statesmanship!

fly

[Milo_Bloom]

14. Why wouldn't he? (nt)

[LSK]

16. because he enjoys what hes doing now

And he is having success in what hes doing.

[Milo_Bloom]

17. That doesn't answer the question.

You said "would a presidential candidate schedule an event like this during primary season"?

The question is "Why wouldn't he?"

If he enjoys what he is doing now, he can continue to do it, while running for office.

[LSK]

20. well there are a bunch of primaries 3 days before it

And a bunch 2 weeks after it, so wouldnt a Candidate be in the middle of toughest fight at that time? To waste 2 days at a conference in Spain and also another day or 2 of travel would not be smart if one is trying to win states in the middle of primary season.

Why does this have to be explained? Isnt this common sense???? Sometimes DU seems to have lost all sense of logic when it comes to emotional issues like wanting Gore to run.

[Milo_Bloom]

26. It's EXACTLY what he would do.

The primaries 3 days BEFORE it change nothing, obviously, since the primaries are BEFORE it. See how that works?

The ones 2 weeks AFTER it, are just that 2 weeks AFTER it.

It exactly the perfect time to continue his work and show the Voters that he continues his mission as a GLOBAL candidate for climate change.

Why does this have to be explained? Isn't this common sense???? Sometimes DU seems to have lost all sense of logic when it comes to rational issues like how candidates can reach voters.

[VenusRising]

34. I completely agree with you, Milo.

:applause:

[DefenseLawyer]

32. Yeah there would be no free media from an event like that

Probably wouldn't get any coverage at all. No Youtube video of the speech. Nothing. Just a 2 day void in the campaign. Donna Brazile thinks it is a TERRIBLE idea. So does Dick Morris. So do James Carville and Paul Begala That is the problem with "staffers" that you reference, and consultants; they learned their craft in the 80's and 90's and the way we communicate has passed them by.

[LSK]

35. see the movie

The point is that that timeframe is in a huge crunch. And yes there might be media coverage of this conference. IN SPAIN.

[Milo_Bloom]

38. Oh please...

It is a crunch for those without high name recognition, world-wide press coverage and the ability to command attention.

And presuming Al Gore wins those primaries a few days earlier, if you think the MSM is not going to cover his appearance, you are licking some powerful toad.

The point Al Gore has made, ALL ALONG is that campaigns SHOULDN'T be run the way they are run and the only way he is getting in is if he sees the opportunity to do it differently... such as releasing position pieces on Current.

You are talking about falling back into the model of retail politics... that isn't what Al Gore is about or wants to be about. So going to Spain to discuss GLOBAL IDEAS that impact the US... that is EXACTLY what AL Gore the candidate would and should be doing if he has meant everything he has said.

Nothing would disappoint me more than Al Gore to enter the race and try to convert himself back into a slick retail politician, shaking hands and kissing babies for votes.

[LSK]

23. do me a favor and go rent the movie "Staffers"

[Milo_Bloom]

27. No thanks.

I'd rather read the book "The Assault on Reason", which explains that things shouldn't be "business as usual".

[LSK]

29. So a documentary about the 2004 primary campaign would not be interesting?

And I read Assault on Reason in June.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/LSK/116

[Milo_Bloom]

33. Not in the least.

Its about changing the dynamic, not following old rules and stereotypes.

[Uncle Joe]

39. We have another $64,000.00 winner here!!!

:applause:

[LSK]

40. so the part in his book about having a 2 way conversation with the people

Would that include the people in Spain???

Townhall meetings and shaking hands of voters WILL NEVER GO AWAY.

[Milo_Bloom]

41. Nor does it have to.

It amazing how in your world, it impossible for him to accomplish more than one thing in the span of 2 weeks.

[LSK]

42. have you ever worked on a campaign?

The candidate is in a whirlwind of appearances at the end and barely knows where he/she is at the moment. Thats my experience with just a Congressional campaign, I cant even imagine a Presidential campaign.

[Milo_Bloom]

43. Yes.

I also read the book.

[Uncle Joe]

44. Maybe they changed the date, but

I thought the new administration takes the oath of office in Jan. and Spain is related to global warming.

I believe the Internet is becoming the new town hall, the only question is will it get there fast enough?

Shaking hands and traditional town halls are important, but I believe the traditional one way media is still the dominant factor in influencing voter's opinion about any candidate. Just take a look at how much can be made out of a hair cut. These are the same people trying to curtail Al Gore's rise in popularity, immediately after he won the Nobel Peace Prize. I believe they are motivated in large part because Al Gore was the primary political champion of the Internet and they view this as a threat against their long held monopoly on information. They want to keep their one way bull horn or at the very least put someone in power that would enable them to neutralize the Internet one way or another.

Al Gore is already known and putting his positions on the web and if the momentum builds up enough he will run or be drafted. I believe at this time as the Nobel Peace Prize sinks in with the people and the drought throughout the South and West takes an increasing toll, even the media will not be able to ignore this dynamic.

[KittyWampus]

31. It's pathological the way some DU'ers insist on interpreting everything to mean Gore is

running.

Really, I kind of feel bad for the DU'ers who can't deal with reality.

It reminds me of a spurned woman who thinks everything she hears about their ex means he wants to get back together.

Gore says IN QUOTES- HIS OWN WORDS- he's running a different camaign. For the Environment.

[LSK]

36. I am literally shaking my head right now

State of Denial could have been written about GD.

[book_worm]

37. A valient try but the die-hards on DU will still be insisting he is running right up to the

convention. Even when another candidate (whoever that is) has many more delegates to be nominated they will say that Gore will announce and delegates will suddenly decide to drop the candidate they support and vote for him.

[joshcryer]

47. Not most of us. We're just being reasonable. He hasn't said "no" so until that time we can hope.

What's wrong with that? It seems there's this large contengent of posters who *insist* that they *know* that he's not running, when there is absolutely no evidence to support that.

The most you can say is that he's not planning on running as of the last time he mentioned a potential run. Anything more than that is *assumption.*

[joshcryer]

46. So has he said "No, I'm not running"? Because that's what I thought when I read the headline.