Is it clear now that Bush is NOT your normal President?

[nadinbrzezinski]

Yes I know many of you say, but why are you asking such an obvious question?

Well folks today he joked about staying in power after his official term in office

It is the same kind of joke about this would be so much easier if it was a dictatorship, well back in oh 2000

So to those who still say that this is still a working democracy, I say bull...

What we have is a country in transition, and pretty advanced in the transition as well

Will we have elections?

Perhaps... but better call them by the right name... kabuki theater for the masses

What is worst is that Authoritarians on both parties now hate the idea of small d democracy and are open about it

Neo liberalism is alive and well, in both national parties

So the question is, as the curtains finally come on the American Republic and the Empire is fully revealed for all to see

Are we still going to pull and prod to show that we are almost there?

Oh and here the transcript, courtesy of C-SPAN, with the cute "joke."

If I were you folks, I'd take this at face value. We were told today he intends to stay

Oh and the but he hates it... ok... whatever... he also joked about a dictatorship and he's been effectively running the gov',ent by Fiat for the last seven years

Question starting at 30:51

Peter: Following up on a question about Vladimir Putin for a moment. He has said recently that next year when he has to step down according to the constitution as President, he may become Prime Minister, in effect keeping power and dashing any hope for a genuine democratic transition there.

Bush: I’ve been planning that myself. (barely audible chuckle in the room)

Peter: Sen. McCain said yesterday sir that when he looks into Putin’s eyes he sees a “K” a “G” and a “B.” He never would invite..

Bush: Pretty good line.

Peter: He would never invite him to Kennebunkport and he says it’s time we got a little tough with Vladimir Putin. I wonder if you think McCain was right and what would it mean for Russian democracy if, when you leave power, assuming you do, in January 2009, if Vladimir Putin is still in power.

Bush rambels about relationships, when dictatorships are fine, then put the alarm in the room to rest.


Bush: He (Putin) was wily. He wouldn’t tip his hand.

Bush: I’ll tip mine. I’ll sprint to the finish line, and then you’ll find me in Crawford.

http://www.cspan.org /

And I must say, happy dreams happy trails to you to pardners!

[aquart]

1. Is it really awful to want him in a small cage?

While people throw rotten fruit? Yes. That's terrible. I also want to charge people for the rotten fruit they throw. To pay off the debt. I'm a bad person, but fiscally prudent.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. a dollar a rotten tomato

one dollar a rotten tomato,

:-)

fifty cents for me (cover costs et al, fifty cents to pay off the damn debt)

[aquart]

56. See how well this would work?

Now picture a fifty-state tour.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Yep and he can actually unite the people and help pay the debt

BRILLIANT!

[Lisa]

28. very tempting! Normally I would compost rotten fruit ...

.... since even throwing bad food at * would somehow be wasting it ... but your idea of a debt-recovery project is so good that I would sign up. (Sorry, compost bin.)

[aquart]

55. I realize it's a difficult choice.

[LakeSamish706]

2. Was the following line like another joke he made?

"Well folks today he joked about staying in power after his official term in office"

The joke he made several years ago about Dictatorship being easy, so long as I am the Dictator.... Geez what a horrible thought that is.... Bush as the Dictator of the US for always.. ugh... Thats enough to make you upchuck your lunch!

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Here you go

Peter: Following up on a question about Vladimir Putin for a moment. He has said recently that next year when he has to step down according to the constitution as President, he may become Prime Minister, in effect keeping power and dashing any hope for a genuine democratic transition there.

Bush: I’ve been planning that myself. (barely audible chuckle in the room)

[ginnyinWI]

5. He always talks as though he is the king.

This morning was no exception. It's always, "I don't feel that..." , or "I believe that..." as if that settles the question. What he commands is to be obeyed. He is no more a public servant than the man in the moon. His is not an elected representative with a commission to carry out the people's wishes. He is all he needs because he is the monarch of America.

He doesn't believe that SCHIP is a good program, so it isn't. He thinks we need to be aggressive against Iran, because he thinks that's the best way to keep America safe and free. And on and on. His own opinion is all he wants or needs. Or so he thinks. No wonder he's been failing at everything since he's become president. Does that shake is confidence in his unilateral decision making? No.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. What perked my eyes (No I don't listen to him, cannot stand it)

was not SCHIP, but that exchange about Putin

Littile Boots, as many of us have suspected, does not intend to leave power

It was clear as day

He is a king, so the rest is immaterial.

[sufrommich]

44. I'm going to save your post and post it the

day he leaves office.You can then explain to us why you're prediction was so silly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Sure and what happens if he does not?

:-)

I can only raise the alarm... truly

[sufrommich]

48. Bush will require all citizens to wear their underwear on the

outside of their pants .
Hey,I'm only raising the alarm.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. funny but not quiet

Though I'd admit, I'd rather just get an unfounded ulcer than be right

For all our collective sakes

But the president making that joke is not funny, given the history of the last seven years

:-)

So looking fowards to a hot slice of humble pie... remmeber to put a double helping of vanilla icecream on it

[ginnyinWI]

81. I heard him but didn't watch him on NPR this morning,

because seeing and hearing at the same time is enough to gag me.

Then I saw clips of it on Olbermann and thought, this man is either physically sick or mentally nuts or both. Or he's drinking at night. He looks like a sack of crap. He looks like he's a hundred years old.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. Just caught the Oberman repeat

boy he has aged, and he looks BAAAADDDD

[bdamomma]

7. I wonder if the Congress knows how unstable this man is.

after this Press Conference today.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. He is not crazy

he intends to stay in power

He believes he is a king... in the old term, or a dictator in our current one

I repeat, he is not crazy and he is not unstable

He is a dictator.

Use the correct terms.

The mask fell off today... FULLY

And the press is in it.

Notice how peter asked him the question assuming you do leave office in 2009

They know... ar at least some do

[bdamomma]

12. so a dictator is not an unstable person?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Some are, some are not

but to assume that an absolutist is unstable is underestimating them

Remember, over the last oh what 7K years of human history democracy has not been common

I mean I would not call many a king and Emperor unstable

Have some been unstable? Absolutely

But we need to stop saying he is crazy, if anything he is crazy as a fox

[bdamomma]

78. he is more like cunning and manipulative.

and arrogant and ignorant. Cheney found his boy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. Yep, that I will give you

cunning and manipulative and today it wasn't working, from the Oberman cuts...

[cali]

61. Got a transcript of the reporter using the word "if"

Oh, I forgot, I'm on your ignore list. Not only are you wrong with your pretentious prediction of doom, your foundation for making said prediction is ridiculous.

Frankly, from all reports bush is glad to be leaving office. If you think that this is someone who wants to stay in the WH, you might want to look a little closer.

Oh, and unless you have a transcript, you're accusation against the reporter is simply unfounded bullshit, not unlike your posts about Randi Rhodes.

[jojo54]

8. Joking is one thing,

but if it even looks like he's attempting to stay in power after his term, we will see a national uprising the likes that we've never seen before.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Will he?

let's be real here, how many times have we said that the people will rise now?

What difference will it make in the life of the average american if he does or doesn't?

As long as they behave, they will be mostly left alone

The reality is... the Murican people are comfortable with this. If they were not, where the hell are they?

And boots knows this... or he would not have gone out and said this in a presser

[bdamomma]

11. and there will be one too.

[Rhythm and Blue]

13. Were you one of the people who believed

that Bush would cancel the 2004 and/or 2006 elections?

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. No, but I choose to believe people

when they tell me plainly their intentions in a press conference or in a joke


Bush famously quipped that it would be so much easier if this was a dictatorship as long as he was the dictator

All them presidential signing statements fall under the category of ruling by Fiat

So if he tells me that he is considering it, I'll take hin at his word, he is...

[melody]

14. If that happens, there would be a military coup -- no doubt about it and he knows it

He can't fight without a military. When the soldiers refuse to march and turn on HIM, then he'll have to leave.

Besides, there's that much left of the Constitution -- he HAS to vacate. If he doesn't, he's in violation of the law and is subject to arrest. That is still the people's property.

[woodsprite]

16. That's what Blackwater is for - his own private army.

Bet they're the recipients of a good lot of the billions of $$$ that are missing from Iraq and Afghanistan.

[melody]

17. And how many Blackwater members would fight against their own people?

And when the American people realize we're under attack by our own people, who will pay the taxes?
Who will buy their stuff to keep them going?

There are subtler ways to keep us under their thumb. They'll just trade out Bush for another
corporatist-friendly President -- one that will be kinder and gentler to the masses. George and
Dick are only human. The head of General Electric is more worried about profit than he is their
heads. They aren't going to back-up George. They aren't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Many of those Blackwater Mercenary scum

are Salvadoran, Chilean, Nicaraguan, Eastern European

That is part of your answer

The second

They're mercs, money is good enough, they will pull the trigger, or have you forgotten their role during NOLA in disarming American Citizens?

[melody]

23. NOLA is NOLA - we're talking the USA

Once again, where is the tax base to operate government coming from? You don't think the whole right-wing would have a REAL wake-up call to see Eastern European storming our gates? Think of
all the military, police officers and just generally angry people who would confront them. It
won't be a civil war, it would be a civil slaughter.

The vast majority of even right-wing Republicans love their country. Would they sit back to see
it overrun by internationals or even nationals wanting to overthrow it? No, they wouldn't. Bush
and Cheney are sociopaths. They're powerful, but they're the decided minority. There are many
more calm heads with more power than they have.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Red Dawn will not happen

I hate to point this out but controlliing and cowing a population is extremely easy.

The tools are in place and just need to be switched on.

And the language is already in place as well.

People will tolerate this, as they have tolerated it across history, as long as we, meaning the government, are doign this for the common good and destroying those who are the enemies of the state.

And people will send their kids to school

They will continue to pay taxes

And as long as tney mostly behave they will do ok in the new regime

Oh you can bet they will watch what they say, and to whom

But for the most part life will go on as normal

Jack booted thugs are reserved for the few loud mouths who refuse to shut up...

Those are for the show trials

And everybody will assume (and some of us already do) that evertything they say, post, write, et al, is monitored... and most will self censor

Hell, that already started.

The steps are incremental, and the method is always the same

History is a wonderful teacher, but people will tolerate this

Red Dawn, my ass

And this is why we are runing out of time.

We still have a few months, perhaps a year

But NOLA.. that was a test

The lack of outrage over Blackwater disarming people... new normal.

[melody]

27. If that's the absolute fate before us, why try?

Why do you even post here?

As I said, for such an instance, I have pills at the ready. There's plenty of information available to take oneself out of the running, as it were.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. For the same reason people have revolted at times

there is a chance of success

But first you need to admit that yes, Houston we have a problem

You belief in the Constitution, so do I

So my question is... what are you willing to do?

Serious

HOW FAR are you willing to go

HOW MUCH are you willing to sacrifice?

I just pointed a reality of how easy it is to control populations

So far the people have not truly reacted

Yes, we have had demonstrations... but not really concerted civil disobedience, have we?

Until most folks are willing to take to the streets in an Orange Revolution (best case) or an American Revolution (worst case) they are winning.

[melody]

32. I think your way will lead to our destruction, not to victory

Violence simply isn't an answer. I have faith in our structures of government. Civil disobedience
to make the point, of course, but our people ... our own people, not these hot house emperors ...
will find a way.

The person you seem to be preaching to is yourself. How far are YOU willing to go?
How much will YOU sacrifice? I'm building my earthship now where my husband and our family
will live a low-imprint, self-sustainable existence. I care for my own. I've already made
the sacrifices necessary by living as a responsible human.

And I will not resort to violence. I just won't. I'd rather die than hurt someone else.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. The Orange Revolution involved zero violence

it was peaceful, concerted, people on the streets for over a month

That is the best hope we have, civil disobedience, concerted, constant, and in their faces

A national strike that lasts for days

Perhaps weeks

The government fearing the people not the other way around.

But I am not ignorant or naive to think that a revolution may not involve other means

Let me repeat this...

An ORANGE revolution best case (and preferred quite frankly)

AN American Revolution worst case (and I realize that in that case much will be changed, including the political map of North America)

And good for you... low carbon footprint, but that is not what I asked.

[melody]

37. Dropping out from the grid and the system IS civil disobedience

The Orange revolution was on a much smaller scale than what you're suggesting.

Large military dictatorships have never been overthrown by non-violent methods.
It can happen, of course, but it's unlikely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. It was?

Ok.

And yes it is civil disobedience but still

We can agree to disagree

But I will repeat this

Given current patterns and acceptance of new normals after every outrage... there will be no red dawn and life will go on in the American Empire...

That is the reality.

I will fight it

But I am not deluding myself

When he declares himself preisden for life, we will have some screams on line, perhaps a demo or two.. and silence after that.

[melody]

69. Far more than silence n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

50. Romania. Large military dictatorship, minimal violence

[melody]

70. C'mon now -- Romania is a good example compared to the USA? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Sorry for the obvious question

but is this American Exceptionalism speaking?

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Constitution? You mean that &**^*(* piece of paper? That is how Bush

called it acording to a report from CHP... from what he said today, they were right on the money

There may be a coup... true

Is that better?

Look, time to realize we are in crunch time and it is time to decide what you, not the military, not our so-called leaders, but YOU are willing to do and how far.

This is a clarion call... if you choose to listen to it

[melody]

24. Bush's isn't the final word

Look, if you want to believe it's the end of the world as we know it, be my guest. I choose to have faith in our constitution -- Bush may think it's only a piece of paper, but I have more faith in it than I do in him. I think the crunch time may be alternately caused by the far-left inflaming insurrection against windmills that are not, in fact, giants.

The call you are hearing may be in your own head. If it's not, then who wants to live in such a world? I'll swallow the pills I have for just such an occurrence. A lot of us have them tucked away.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I can point to all the markers

but that is all I can do

And for godsakes I hope to god I am wrong

[melody]

29. And I can see ways around your markers

As I've said, I have been writing about the BFEE for years. I know how dangerous they are. They came in with the JFK Assassination and they (and their international friends) have been bound and determined to destroy us ever since. But they won't. The country we have is the country we have. What is left, after they've destroyed the current structure and vacated it, will still be ours to do with what we will. They won't stick around. That's when we'll be able to actually make a democratic country out of its ruins.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. As you said, out of the ruins

:-)

That is actually one end to dictartorships

On the plus side, Americans may stop worshiping war.

[melody]

33. Yes, but Americans will still survive

Americans don't worship war -- Americans primarily are the 9-5 people who vote Democrat if they
vote at all, struggle to feed and care for their families, and try to lead good lives. The
McMansion Republicans are the decided minority. When they're broke and wandering in the wasteland,
perhaps they'll wake-up. The rest of us who live responsible lives will survive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Ah Goering comes to mind

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

[melody]

38. That was pre-internet, pre-mass-media and everyone is conscious of it

It's a lot harder to bullshit the common people than it used to be. Bush has found that out the
hard way. They've tried ten times the methods that Goering used and haven't been 1/4 as successful.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Tell me again, why are we in Iraq and what was the support

the day shock and awe started?

[melody]

68. You're talking about a war ... a military dictatorship in this country is another thing

Look, I give, you're right -- we're all doomed. May as well throw in the towel. lol

On that note, I've got to cook dinner for my family.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. You said it was different

I showed to you how easy it is to manipulate society today... the Iraq war is a PUURFEECT example

And if we don't fight RIGHT NOW

Forget it

We have very little time left

READ Naomi Wolf when you have time

[melody]

86. I've READ Naomi Wolf ... read Robert Anton Wilson

Critical thinking can be very helpful in getting around philosophical blockades erected by people ... on
both sides of the political aisle.

[John Q. Citizen]

51. He wouldn't just stay. There would be a national energency that required the suspension of the

elections, and it would be sold as temporary.

But i tend to agree with your down thread comment that it's simpler and safer for the oligarchy to just replace him with another stooge.

[Swamp Rat]

15. "I’ve been planning that myself."

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. And how many still think he was jocking?

He is crazy alright, crazy as a fox... that is

[Swamp Rat]

22. Psycho

[shadowknows69]

39. K+R

Have you seen my "Prophecies of Asu" posts nadin? I wrote them as fiction but now I'm not so sure. I can barely stand it anymore. Time to double up on the anxiety pills tonight

[Perry Logan]

42. ZAP--The record of the Democratic Congress instantly destroys your argument.

I know it's fun to talk like this...

....but a quick look at the record reveals that the Democrats in Congress have been anything but authoritarian:

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Well there are several things here

I am talking about the Authoritarians IN THE PARTY not in the CONGRESS

Perhaps your foot soldiers who pound on any candidate not following a doctrinaire party line

And that was a quote from Bush during the presser today

He actually hinted he ain't leaving

You think our Congress will fight him?

They should impeach him, but that is a whole kettle of fish, isn't it?

[H2O Man]

45. Nominated.

Indeed, it is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Hey there, we are now truly at that moment in history

we feared we'd reach

It is truly now or not in our lifetimes

That SHOULD lead the evening news

5000:1 it does not

[Disturbed]

52. Sometimes a joke is just a joke.

The Silver Spoon Sociopath also said:

"I’ll tip mine. I’ll sprint to the finish line, and then you’ll find me in Crawford."

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Due to his 2000 joke, I'd rather take him seriously

:-)

And trust me I hope I can eat some of that humble pie, with a double helping of Ice Cream I refer to upthread

[earth mom]

54. I've long thought that * ain't gonna leave so easily. He likes the sound of "King George".

That's why I've been beating that dead horse "Impeachment" and praying-even though I'm agnostic-for Gore to enter the race.

We are barely a whisper away...today * proved that once again.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Yeah but you think that our wonderful leadership gets it?

I mean it is still off the table

[earth mom]

62. You know something? What Nadar said the other day keeps running through my head.

Yeah, it's all tinfoilish stuff, but...

What if they are NOT Impeaching in order to stop the * cabal from going into Iran?

OR

What if they are NOT Impeaching in order to keep another LIHOP or MIHOP from happening?

:tinfoilhat:



I'm afraid that if they are indeed playing this dangerous game, the entire thing could easily blow up in all our faces with a dictator-TOT-ship.



IMO, Gore announcing his candidacy would check mate this b.s. game NOW.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. I am reminded of 1973

truly

Similar BS was going on, but they had a spine

Now fully for the tinfoil, what if they have evidence that they were behind 9.11?

And as far I am concerned LIHOP is not out of the realm of possibilty

Also we didn't Anthrax sent back in '73

:-)

So that is part of the puzzle

But damn it, the 19 year old marine in Iraq is also scared to go on patrol...

[earth mom]

79. I was a kid back then. What's really hurt us now is the corporate stranglehold on the media.

Back in the 70s, people weren't fooled by Faux News, CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the liars spewing their spin day and night.

I am stunned and amazed that it's gotten this far-especially when we should have known better BECAUSE of Vietnam & Nixon. :(

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. I wasn't even in the country back then!

But it also has to do with teaching of history stoping in oh what is is Korean on a good day?

Kids don't learn history or civics anymore... did they ever?

[TNOE]

58. HE IS INSANE

CAN'T WE IMPEACH FOR INSANITY?

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. 25th ammendment, no need for impeachment

but they don't get anyway... our "leaders" don't get it

[ThatsMyBarack]

60. I saw a crummy sticker on an SUV today:

"W THE PRESIDENT" :puke: :mad: :nuke:

[KoKo]

64. I saw a couple clips on Tweety tonight and he is "Off the Wall" bouncing

into Insanity. (Chimperor, that is) And, I only read the other clips of his insanity posted here before watching Tweety.

Barbara Boxer stopped short of saying he was deranged when Tweety called her out...but she said he's misguided or something like that on our Foreign Policy. The Clips seemed to show a Deranged Dictator toying with his subjects...laughing and joking about World Leaders and making mockery of his Presidential Role under our Constitution.

I suppose the Constitution and Laws don't mean much today since the Repugs and Libertarians have worked so hard to trash them and get to Grover Norquists Bathtub to drown them.

But to many of us IT ALL MATTERS...Where IS THIS SPINELESS CONGRESS!!!!!!!

[Blue_In_AK]

65. After watching Frontline last night...

it does make one wonder if these guys (Cheney/Addington and their boy Bush) plan to willingly leave office in January 2009 after working so diligently over the past 30+ years to effect the coup. We need to stay very alert.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. I still remember Malloy telling me exactly that

before the 2004 elections...

I protested

Then I guess I had my moment of clarity

[WinkyDink]

71. Yes, if by "President" you mean "human being".

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. I mean the crazy as a fox creature we have occupying our white house

the one people still claim is insane

He is crazy as a fox...

[WinkyDink]

75. I know! I meant, he's not JUST a crazy President; he's plain crazy without qualification!

[Prophet 451]

76. They won't listen

I've been saying this for years but people won't listen until there are tanks in the streets. All the signs are there, he's even outright telling us but still, no-one listens. Now we know why Hitler wasn't stopped.

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Yeah denial is a strong narcotic

agreed

[Imagevision]

80. Bush after bombing Iran: "I’ll then sprint to the finish line, and then you’ll find me in Crawford"

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Where's he's spent what one third of his Presidency?

I choose to believe him...

And hope to god he and his ilk leave and just don't replace one for another