1 Big Reason Why You Should Be OK With Mukasey Being Confirmed

[cali]

Peter Keisler, ace criminal and BFEE toady. Don't know much about him? Here:

8 things you need to know about Peter Keisler:


Keisler was a co-founder of the Federalist Society;

The Federalist Society was a check box in Goodling's evaluation of U. S. Attorneys;

Keisler oversaw the Administration's fight against habeas corpus for Guantanamo;

Keisler allegedly interfered with the Tobacco conspiracy trial;

Keisler received a recess appointment at age 24;

Keisler testified against extending whistle blower protections using arguments contradicting existing federal statutes;

Keisler defended secrecy for all Warrantless Surveillance info, arguing that even confirmation or denial of its existence threatens national security;

Keisler defended the Interior Department in Cobell v. Norton - a tour de force of legal maneuvering and alleged DOJ obstruction of justice.

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2007/9/19/204313/622

I'm very leery of Mukasey but at least he is NOT a bushco insider and has shown some independence from the admin in the Padilla case when he ruled for Padilla. I was alarmed by many of his answers today and I thought the Senate Dems were all disappointing in their perfunctory questioning, BUT; I want Keisler out, and the sooner the better.

Letting him stay in as Acting AG, simply gives Keisler more time to add to damage he's undoubtedly done in the last month. It's not too hard to figure that he's been keeping the shredders at Justice occupied 24/7.

[L. Coyote]

1. AGREED. Keisler is totally undesirable. K & R

For more background on this Gonzo clone:

The NEW Acting Attorney General = Peter Keisler = Who is he? Just a Gonzales CLONE?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1839232

Leahy CAVES to BUSH?? Sets Confirmation Hearings for Mukasey to be Attorney General
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2018432

[percussivemadness]

2. 3 words

Lynn Devecchio Trial

Peace

[cali]

3. i have some vague recollection of the name

FBI agent with mob connections, but how does that figure into your thinking about what I posted?

[ClassWarrior]

4. Yes, we may be slitting our wrists, but at least...

...we're not blowing our brains out with a gun!

:eyes:

NGU.

[Canuckistanian]

5. Oy, you really can't win, can you?

The system is totally dependent on the administration's recommendations, isn't it?

And if the administration is insane......

[cali]

6. Try using some critical thinking skills. It might help

you in understanding situations such as this.

[AuntPatsy]

7. What your saying then is to just accept the supposed lesser of two evils?

I though someone a few days ago said that someone was postponing his nomination until the investigation about Gonzales was finished? I cannot recall which Dem they mentioned? I watched his answer today too, they seemed to hesitant and contrived, I was especially concerned that he kept saying he had to watch what he answered and how he did so. It was almost as if he was coached quite a bit before today but was having a bit of a problem recalling all he was supposed to do. It was just strange, he seemed a bit jumpy as well? Did you notice that?

[cali]

11. This is pretty simple.

First read what I posted about Keisler carefully. He's way more dangerous than Gonzo, and he IS the Acting AG.

Mukasey makes me uncomfortable, but he has gone up against the admin in a big case, handing them a major defeat. That case is Padilla.

Also, people like Nan Aaron, the president of the leading liberal organization that advocates re the federal judiciary and in issues regarding the Justice dept, believes he's about as good as we're going to get out of bushco. And she's been a phenomonal advocate for a long time. I'll post the link to the Alliance for Justice.

Is it the lesser of two evils? Of course. Because sometimes, that's all you have.

I have no idea what you're referring to about postponing the hearing until the gonzales investigation is complete, but that makes little sense. First of all, the primary investigation is being conducted by the IG at the JD, Glenn Fine, and secondly, the longer you wait, the more time Keisler's in power. Originally, Leahy stated that he wasn't going to hold hearings until he got the subpoenaed material, but that was when Paul Clement was Acting AG, then bushco pulled a switch and installed Keisler.

http://www.afj.org/about-afj/press/10162007.html

[AuntPatsy]

21. Read this from Democracy now, it doesn't sound to me like they are too

happy with bushies newest front man.

your take?

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/18/1418244

[Richard Steele]

8. Bullshit. No one who is unfit should be confirmed. Period. nm

[cali]

9. Ignorant bullshit.

Though hardly unexpected. Do some reading. There's a reason that people who actually KNOW something, like Nan Aaron, support his confirmation. Do you even know who that is?

[Richard Steele]

10. False choice. A small shit sandwich is still shit, even if the last shit sandwich was large.

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[Richard Steele]

13. And I should take advice from someone who thinks condscending insults are "debate", because..

???:shrug:

[cali]

15. LOL!

I provide substantive arguments and links to back them up. You don't havae to take advice from me, you can just go to The Alliance for Justice.

You provide nothing but silly one liners. There's a difference.

[Richard Steele]

20. Well, Cali, when pondering the chesslike intricacies of national-level political maneuvers...

...I, like most rational adults, tend to give
very little consideration to the self-described
"substantive arguments" of anyone who has so
consistently and repeatedly demonstrated such
a PRONOUNCED inability to grasp a concept as simple
as "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".

[ConsAreLiars]

14. Right, that same wimp-ass strategy that supported Alito and Roberts

because they weren't David Duke and Charles Manson. You accommodationists (or centrists or "New Democrats" or corprporatists ot whatever you call yourselves) will never learn. Dems who refuse to reject fascism are enablers. You may think you will be the last to pay the price (and you may be right). But the supporting one evil over another is hardly a noble act.

[cali]

16. No. This is nothing like Alito or Roberts.

And it has nothing to do with being a centrist- I'm not. It has to do with grasping the elements of any given situation. In short, it has to do with having some intelligence and using critical thinking skill.

Sometimes there are no good options, there's simply the least bad option. Now I suggest you do some research. Go to the Alliance for Justice website, check out what some liberal legal experts are saying, and for fuck's sake, learn a little about Keisler.

Peter Keisler, ace criminal and BFEE toady. Don't know much about him? Here:

8 things you need to know about Peter Keisler:


Keisler was a co-founder of the Federalist Society;

The Federalist Society was a check box in Goodling's evaluation of U. S. Attorneys;

Keisler oversaw the Administration's fight against habeas corpus for Guantanamo;

Keisler allegedly interfered with the Tobacco conspiracy trial;

Keisler received a recess appointment at age 24;

Keisler testified against extending whistle blower protections using arguments contradicting existing federal statutes;

Keisler defended secrecy for all Warrantless Surveillance info, arguing that even confirmation or denial of its existence threatens national security;

Keisler defended the Interior Department in Cobell v. Norton - a tour de force of legal maneuvering and alleged DOJ obstruction of justice.

[ConsAreLiars]

17. To repeat the obvious --

The fact that Keisler is a pig is no reason to approve another pig.

[cali]

18. To repeat: Educate yourself.

Seriously. Read L.Coyote's links- you know he's no stinkin' centrist. Go to Alliance for Justice. Learn a little about Mukasey's slap down of the admin in Padilla. There's no doubt in my mind that Keisler's been destroying evidence like crazy over the past month. Mukasey is better than he is, and he's NOT a bush crony. Honestly, it doesn't look like you know enough.

Or to put it in your rather simple terms: One pig is better than the other pig.

[ConsAreLiars]

19. Yeah, that's the usual "logic" people use to accomodate to corporatism.

Don't fight. Lie down. Take the lesser evil. Choose the rapist with breath mints over the one that's a bit stinkier? How rotten Keisler is is not the point. The fact that Ted Bundy was better groomed than Charles Manson is no reason to joint his fan club, unless, of course, you want the chimpy appointee to win.

(edit typo)

[incapsulated]

22. You mean eventually they are going to nominate RFK Jr.?

If we "fight" for a year?

C'mon. It's going to be lesser of evils no matter what. Cali makes sense.