William Jefferson Clinton

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Bill Clinton was only one of three Democratic presidents in the entire twentieth century to be re-elected in his own right and the only one to be re-elected in his own right since Franklin Delano Roosevelt...

I love the Big Dog...

Just sayin...

[onehandle]

1. DLC! DLC!

Kidding. I love President Clinton.

[AlCzervik]

3. "You just made the list, buddy. nt"

:rofl:

[ProfessorGAC]

64. Lighten Up, Francis

GAC

[MannyGoldstein]

2. And He Was The Only Democratic President In The 20th Century

...to pioneer the use of outsourced torture!

Yaaaaaaaaaay! :bounce:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I'll Bet You Have A Done A Great Job Of Choosing Winners

:sarcasm:

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Yaaaay! Win With Torture!

It worked for us in WWII - it'll work for us now.

Huh? We didn't torture in WWII? Well that's why we lost!

We won WWII? No fucking way, dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Way To Change The Subject

And I say the firebombing of Dresden was torture writ large, wouldn't you?

[MannyGoldstein]

28. Dresden Was Horrible

But I don't think that there was an alternative at that point - in order to acheive unconditional surrender we had to destroy the will of the German People to fight. And as we learned in WWI, anything less than unconditional surrender is simply a temporary truce.

Very, very sad.

But we treated German POWs very, very well. Many were kept in the US, and they were treated so well that many ended up staying here after the war. Imagine that!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. And I Think Internment Was A Form Of Torture Too

If you going to yank me from my home and put me in a camp , just put a cap in my ear, because you robbed me of my dignity, which is all a man really has...

[TwilightZone]

10. The people in internment camps might beg to differ.

While they probably weren't tortured, per se, I doubt being locked up for essentially no reason was terribly pleasant.

Kind of like Gitmo now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Not Like Gitmo

The worst of the worst are in Gitmo...The Japanese internees did nothing more than be at the wrong place at the wrong time...

[bvar22]

25. We don't know who is in Gitmo....

...because Bush refuses to tll us.
We only have Bush*s word that he suspects that they are the worst of the worst.

There are children being held in Gitmo.
Some "terorists" have been release after several years who had absolutely nothing to do with AlQaeda or terrorism.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. We Do Know That A Fair Number That Have Been Released...

...were absolutely innocent. The problem is that we went to the Afghani warlords and said "Dudes, we'll give you $X for every terrorist you capture and hand over. And you guys can decide who is a terrorist." Amazing how many terrorists they found under those circumstances...

[TwilightZone]

26. That's true concerning the internees.

Not so sure on Gitmo. That may be the case now, but I seem to recall that we released a significant number of prisoners (one-third, perhaps?) a year or two ago because it was determined that they didn't pose a threat to the U.S. My memory could be faulty there.

[Name removed]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Where Do I Begin?

"I didn't know you were this ignorant... Hey smartass, INNOCENT UNTIL FOUND GUILTY. If the worst of the worst, as you put it, are actually at Gitmo, then WHY haven't they been tried for their numerous crimes yet?

-solon

You really hurt my feelings, cupcake...Why don't you come down to Orlando and give me a kiss and make me feel better... I promise to be there ...I'll be all puckered up for you, big boy...


Now that we have got that out of the way...

If you think there is no difference between the prisoners at Guantanamo and the Japanese internees of World War ll there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion...


KISSES

Brian

[Solon]

38. Where the FUCK did I say that?

First things first, the Japanese-AMERICAN internees were American CITIZENS, the Japanese we actually locked up were POWs, learn the difference.

Besides that, you made an affirmative claim that the Gitmo detainees are the "worst of the worst", prove it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. You Said "FUCK"

I'm so skeeered of you...

Mommy, Mommy, the internet cowboy said "FUCK"...

Do you want me to say it in Italian?

If you believe there is no difference between the prisoners at Guantanamo and the Japanese internees during WW ll there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion...

OPEN MOUTH KISSES

Brian

[Name removed]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. O K

Perhaps we can discuss this civilly...

1) I said the detainees at Guantanamo were the "worst of the worst"...That was hyperbole on my part but there is nothing to suggest that there aren't lots of bad people there...And there is nothing in my statement that suggests the detainees don't deserve due process...In our system of justice everybody should be entitled to due process...

2)It is demeaning to the memories of the World War ll Japanese internees, many of whom were old men, women, and children , to compare them with the prisoners at Guantanamo...Do they look like "enemies of the state" to you?

http://www.lib.utah.edu/spc/photo/9066/t18.htm

P.S. Perhaps if you asked me to elaborate on my statement I would have but you called me a "ignorant smartass" first...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. And Why Is Gitmo In A Discussion Of Clinton?

That's Bush*'s baby!!!

[Solon]

54. I didn't start it, so don't look at me, I took issue with one of YOUR posts, after all. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. I Was Responding To The Suggestion That Clinton Was The "First Extra-Judicial" President

Actually that was Lincoln...

And Gitmo* is Bush*'s baby...

[Solon]

56. Actually I believe that would be Andrew Jackson...

he did defy a Supreme Court order and forced the Cherokee off their lands. And yes, I agree that Gitmo is Bush's baby, so to speak.

[Solon]

53. First, I never said it was comparable...

The Gitmo detainees are more comparable to Japanese, German, and Italian POWs than Japanese-American internees. The fact that Bush had to create a fictionalized class(enemy combatant) to justify denying them due process and keeping them locked up indefinitely is not only disturbing, but tells me that maybe, just maybe, they don't have any evidence to warrant locking these guys up in the first place. The problem is the lack of transparency and accountability on this issue, we know that the method of identifying these people as "terrorists" was questionable at best, as told in post #27.

I'll be frank, considering the lack of knowledge, so called state secrets, that surround the detainees, I'm assuming they are innocent until proven guilty in an actual court of law. Its not like we are talking about a supermax prison in the United States that is holding prisoners who were rightfully convicted in a court of law.

[Sneaky Sailor]

49. If you think we didnt torture in WWII

You are living in fantasy land...

[Sneaky Sailor]

50. You should here my grandfather go on

about what they did to captured Japanese Commanders. Definately not as bad as today, not even close, but some of the stuff I have heard called torture on DU was definately done.

[LanternWaste]

60. torture was neither policy nor endemic...

In WWII, torture was neither policy nor endemic to the U.S. Armed forces which seems to be an implied point. While I doubt anyone would disavow that U.S. troops never, ever engaged in abuse of prisoners, it would have been done merely on a local level at the urging of a battle-crazed Jr. non-com.

Although if you do have any print sources that state torture actually was part and parcel of U.S. involvement in WWII, I'd be very eager to give them a look...

[leftchick]

32. how many people around the world died from bill's foreign policies?

answer? TOO MANY! :grr:

Moore has said that Harvey Weinstein, whose company produced Sicko and who is a friend of the Clintons, wanted this cut, but he refused. The assault on the Democratic Party candidate likely to be the next president is a departure for Moore, who, in his personal campaign against George Bush in 2004, endorsed General Wesley Clark, the bomber of Serbia, for president and defended Bill Clinton himself, claiming that “no one ever died from a blow job”. (Maybe not, but half a million Iraqi infants died from Clinton’s medieval siege of their country, along with thousands of Haitians, Serbians, Sudanese and other victims of his unsung invasions.)

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=458

[OzarkDem]

43. Blame Saddam

Not Clinton.

[OzarkDem]

41. Got a link?

news to me.

[babylonsister]

8. He was the only one who shamed the Dems publicly for lying also. I

love(d) Bill, and think he made a big difference, but he was so damned careless.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. And If We Knew The Truth About JFK And FDR

eom

[babylonsister]

13. That's why I said what I said. I have NO DOUBT that

Dems and rethugs have histories. We only 'really' know the histories of the current people, thanks to technology.
But I'm sure there's lots to learn from other people.

[hedgehog]

62. JFK and FDR both lived before the Women's Liberation Movement of the 70's.

Also, as far as I know, they both hung out with independent adults. From what I can tell, Bill CLinton's affairs always involved women he had some power over. No executive in a private business today would keep his job if it was known he was bedding young secretaries.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Lucy Mercer Was FDR's Secretary

Lucy Mercer was hired by Franklin's wife, Eleanor Roosevelt, as a personal secretary in the winter of 1913. Lucy was at the time a tall and beautiful young woman with thick blonde hair.

It was during this time that Mercer began a romantic relationship with Franklin D. Roosevelt. It is unclear when it began, but in September 1918, Eleanor discovered the relationship when she found love letters from Lucy to Franklin when he returned from Europe suffering from the infamous flu of 1918. When Eleanor unpacked his luggage, she found the stack of letters bound in red ribbon. Eleanor had actually already been suspicious. In fact, upon her engagement to Franklin, she had wept on the shoulder of her cousin, Alice Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt's daughter, saying, "I shall never be able to hold him. He is attractive." While FDR was assistant secretary of the U.S. Navy, he was out of town quite often, and Eleanor had spent many years in Washington virtually alone while a tremendous amount of gossip about her bon-vivant husband circulated, often by her own cousin Alice. Despite her suspicions, Eleanor at first refused to listen to Alice. When she was forced to accept the reality of the situation, she became miserable. She offered FDR a divorce. FDR's mother, Sara Delano threatened to disinherit him if he divorced his wife. Eleanor gave an ultimatum to Franklin: stop seeing Lucy, or obtain a divorce. Roosevelt did not want to sacrifice his political career, so he promised never to see Lucy Mercer again. Unbeknownst to Eleanor, Franklin continued to see Mercer whenever he was in the Washington D.C. area.


It is unclear whether the romantic affair continued after Lucy's marriage, but it is certain that feelings remained between the two. Mercer was with Franklin D. Roosevelt the day that he suffered the cerebral hemorrhage that killed him in Warm Springs, Georgia. Eleanor was devastated when she learned that Lucy and Franklin had continued a relationship behind her back.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Page_Mercer_Rutherfurd

As for John Kennedy:

"JFK's skinny-dipping lunchtime pool parties at the White House with two young female staff aides (Fiddle and Faddl)"

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/7250/thoughts/jfk.html

Oh, Lyndon Johnson had several affairs also...I'd have to read if any were with subordinates...

As to your point about the feminist movement ,if you don't think men (and) women are having affairs with their subordinates, objectionable as that might be, there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion...

I don't like being put in the position of dishing the dirt on my heroes but I feel compelled...However they are my heroes because they were just men who did great things ...If they were deity their exploits wouldn't seems so spetacular...

[hedgehog]

67. Maybe what I'm trying to say that it was tacitly accepted in

other times for powerful men to have affairs with young women men as long as it was possible to maintain the pretense that nothing was going on. It was a means for a young single woman to attain some status at a time when women were generally shut out from positions of power. The groupies who follow rock stars preserve this tradition. These days, such affairs are generally frowned upon because we are much more aware of the number of women forced to offer sexual favors to superiors in order to keep their jobs.


We are very ambivalent about such affairs. On the one hand, we believe that sex is a private activity between consenting adults. On the other hand, we are aware that given the power employers have over the employed, sex does not always involve consenting adults. I'm no expert on Mr. Clinton's private life, but I think several times he crossed the line into exploitation. I think Monica Lewinsky was emotionally damaged before she ever met him and that he took advantage of her poor judgment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Maybe They Took Advantage Of Him

Bill Clinton was a very good looking and charismatic man ... I know two women who have met him and were mesmerized by him...Both to my shock said they would have sex with him, one said it in front of her husband...She did add , if she wasn't married...As Gene Lyons said, he was the Alpha Male, women would be attracted to him if he was the Maytag Repair Man...

Also, why is Ms. Lewinsky emotionally damaged goods? Respectfully, it sounds paternalistic... Some folks like casual sex with an element of danger...It's not my cup of tea...I'm more of the lights dimmed and shades tightly closed type of guy...

I don't approve of adultery...If you want to be a Mack Daddy don't get married...However since I'm not perfect I do have some tolerance for human flaws, especially when a base as emotion as physical attraction is concerned....

[bigwillq]

30. I agree.

I think he ruined the integrity of the Democratic Party and issued in the latest wave of conservative, religious freaks.

[XOKCowboy]

11. I like the Big Dog...

He is one hell of a public speaker, maybe the best I've ever seen. He is a great statesman. He's a great diplomat. He took the lemons of the Reagan administration and made lemonade. While he was president I made more money in salary and also in my 401k. He also was a corporatist and not a true progressive but he talked a good game. If he had kept his dick in his pants he'd be regarded as one of the greatest presidents of all time.

The time for centrists and corporatists is over now though. It's time for a true Progressive to lead the country now.

[Control-Z]

15. And what he did with his dick

should have been a matter of privacy, between his wife and himself, if I'm not mistaken. None of my efin' business.

[XOKCowboy]

16. Oh I totally agree with you...

Still it's what will be his legacy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. It Will Be Part Of His Legacy Due To A Bunch Of Right Wing Shit Heads

eom

[XOKCowboy]

18. Once again I agree..

He showed the RW how to really smear someone and come out looking like roses.

[babylonsister]

19. Wrong. It will be his legacy because he lied. And the msm were merciless, and

still are. I still see that, despite the good the man has done.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. He Lied About Something He Should Never Have Been Asked About

The press covered up for John Kennedy and FDR because it was a different milieu

Who cares...Compared to now Clinton's America was like the New Jerusalem...

[babylonsister]

23. I agree. But remember 'clenis' and how he lied? He entered the

danger zone in the realm of technology. There are many people who cannot stand him.
I'm not one of them, but I have to say, he pissed me off. He felt facile and omnipotent, and he got caught.

OTOH, the current guy must be fairly reliable. No mystery there.

[LanternWaste]

61. I doubt it.

I doubt it. I think in fifty years, his personal dalliances will be little more than a footnote on page 371 of his biography.

[Perry Logan]

47. Eisenhower was bending his secretary over her desk as WWII raged. Jefferson was screwing a slave.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. John Kennedy Was Sharing A Girlfriend With A Mafia Don

He lost his virginity in a Harlem brothel...

FDR died in the arms of his lover, Lucy Mercer, at Warm Springs, Georgia because Eleanor Roosevelt had "turned off the water" twenty years before...

Martin Luther King had dalliances...

I don't cite these affairs to excuse Clinton or condemn these men.. They are great human beings, martyrs some of them, but they are not cardboard saints...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. But Nixon And Bush* Were Faithful Husbands From All Accounts

DSB

[Virginia Dare]

58. Which Bush,? Certainly not Poppy..

He had at least one long term affair with the wife of a supposed friend of his.

[Little Star]

59. Reagan & Poppy lets not forget this:

BOY'S TOWN ABUSE!


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The Franklin Cover-up—Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska: Satanic sexual abuse, ritual murders, child pedophile rings, money-laundering—could these horrors be happening today, in middle America? John W. DeCamp, attorney and former state senator from Nebraska, affirms that it is, indeed occurring! In DeCamp’s riveting book you’ll learn of the terrible pedophile priests at Boy’s Town who had “parties” with kids. You’ll discover how top Washington, D.C. politicians (including George Bush Sr.) and savings and loan executives were involved; and you’ll be angered about the media that covered it all up. Also included: John DeCamp’s insightful analysis of the patriot movement and the police state tactics of the federal government. Alex Jones Interviews the Author.

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The Washington Child Sex Ring Cover-up

The Franklin Child Sex Ring Implicating the Bush Whitehouse

The following archive paints a chilling portrait of what is really going on in the upper echelons of the ruling elite here in America. The story involves children from orphanages in Nebraska being flown around the United States by top Republican officials in order to engage in child sex orgies with America's ruling elite. It is a fact that during the 1980's, child sexual services were provided by top Republican officials to key, bureaucrats and diplomats but most importantly, there is a chilling proximity of all of these events and personalities, to the President of the United States at the time, George H.W. Bush. And there have been victims who claim that the President himself engaged in the activities. It is a tale of child sex, murder, espionage, blackmail, and huge payoffs. And all the players are involved. From the White House to the CIA to the media barrons to the Republican elite - right down to the orphanages where they procured their victims.

This story was the second biggest scandal of the 1980's which was completely obliterated by the Bush White House - A complete coordinated blackout by the ruling elite in cooperation with the American television networks. (The biggest scandal being the Bush involvement in the attempted assassination of President Reagan) Since the elite who own the television networks in America are the same elite who feast off the carcass of the American population - just like the Bushes do and who sit on the same boards of the same corporate cartels as the Bushes do - most Americans will never hear of this explosive story. But thanks to the Internet all these suppressed news facts are re-surfacing. Perhaps the most chilling aspect of this horrific tale is that such realities can be so completely obliterated by the powers that be so that, even though these are simply the very biggest most explosive stories of our time - you will never know that they happened. That is why www.voxfux.com exists. To bring you the hard cold truth about what is really happening to our world. To inform you about who these people really are who rule America.

Fortunately not all people are in on the crimes of the elite. Once and a while a person comes along who is human and who fights and resists this evil force which is destroying the human race. In this case, former republican Senator John Decamp was involved in the production a documentary called "Conspiracy of Silence" it was to air May 3, 1994 on the Discovery Channel. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. As the story goes, at the last minute before airing, there was a massive effort from key Washington politicians who were implicated in the scandal to exert pressure on the channel to threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired.

Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved. You can view the online video below.

The Franklin Cover-up Scandal

The Child sex ring that reached Bush/Reagan Whitehouse

Conspiracy of Silence Part 1
Conspiracy of Silence Part 2
Conspiracy of Silence Part 3
Conspiracy of Silence Part 4

Boy prostitutes 15 years old (and younger) were taking midnight tours of the Whitehouse. There are 19 more Washington Times articles in full text about this case available here at ARCHIVE OF WASHINGTON CHILD SEX RING IMPLICATING GEORGE BUSH SR..






HERE'S THE VIDEO



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The Washington Times, Pg. A3 July 26, 1989 Headline: Secret Service furloughs third White House guard







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The story was also covered in the New York Times and other major east coast newspapers,
but because of the links to Whitehouse and control from the top the story was killed..

There are two main suspects in the child ring were Craig Spence and Lawrence E. King Jr. Below are some pictures of them. Both were involved in the Republican party. King sang the National anthem at two republican national conventions during the 1980s. He served time in jail for bank fraud and is now living somewhere on the east coast. Spence was an important Republican lobbyist, who feared that, because he knew something very dark, implicating the very most powerful man in America, George H. W. Bush, that he would be killed by the CIA at his murder would be made to look like a suicide. He was later found dead in a hotel room - the CIA connected coroner declared the bizarre death -suicide. Several of his partners went to jail for being involved in the adult part of the homosexual sex ring. Democrats were also involved in this as well, so don't expect them to expose the sex ring.


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Click on the images above to see full text large scans of the above newspaper and other one more story.


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For a good complete overview of this story read
Chapter -XXI- Omaha George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography - by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
The book is free online text form at this link Chapter -XXI


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Decamp also wrote a book called the Franklin Coverup which is available from amazon and other places online. Here is a link to the Amazon page




In the Franklin Coverup book it talks about the possible killing of a child at the Bohemian Grove. Here is the link to scans from the book about the killing.


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Bless the Beasts and the Children

Photographer for White House child sex ring arrested after Thompson suicide

Tom Flocco | March 13, 2005

The Justice Department, acting through the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Omaha, emerges from the record of the Franklin investigations not so much as a party to the cover-up, but as its coordinator. Rigging grand juries, harassment of witnesses, incitement to perjury and tampering with evidence--federal personnel were seen to apply all of those techniques in the Franklin case. (John W. DeCamp, Esq., The Franklin Cover-up , Second Edition, January 2005)

WASHINGTON -- Photographer Russell E. "Rusty" Nelson was recently arrested two days after journalist Hunter Thompson reportedly committed suicide four weeks ago on February 10, according to two phone interviews with attorney John DeCamp last week.

Nelson was allegedly employed by a former Republican Party activist to take pictures of current or retired U.S. House-Senate members and other prominent government officials engaging in sexual criminality by receiving or committing sodomy and other sex acts on children during the Reagan-Bush 41 administrations.

Hunter Thompson’s death and the news blackout of Rusty Nelson’s simultaneous arrest raise questions that someone may be attempting to limit Nelson’s freedom or threaten him, since according to testimony, both men had allegedly witnessed homosexual prostitution and pedophile criminal acts in a suppressed but far-reaching child sex-ring probe closely linked to Senate and House members--but also former President George H. W. Bush.



Pedophile victim Paul Bonacci--kidnapped and forced into sex slavery between the ages of 6 and 17--told U.S. District Court Judge Warren Urbom in sworn testimony on February 5, 1999: "Where were the parties?...down in Washington, DC...and that was for sex...There was sex between adult men and other adult men but most of it had to do with young boys and young girls with the older folks...specifically for sex with minors...Also in Washington, DC, there were parties after a party...there were a lot of parties where there would be senators and congressmen who had nothing to do with the sexual stuff. But there were some senators and congressmen who stayed for the parties afterwards...on a lot of the trips he took us on he had us, I mean, I met some people that I don't feel comfortable telling their name because I don't want to --- ...Q: Are you scared?...Yes..."

DeCamp, a former Nebraska state senator and decorated Vietnam War vet, told TomFlocco.com "there are tons of pictures still left; law enforcement is currently looking for them," adding, "you can also assume there are senators and congressmen implicated; otherwise this would not be such a big issue." But no federal official has stepped forward to protect Rusty Nelson's life, as Congress would be reluctant to hold hearings or force a federal prosecutor to probe its own members for sex acts with children--still punishable by law.



Sex with minors?

In his testimony before Judge Urbom, Bonacci specifically named Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) as having participated in the parties--also telling the judge he had "relationships with him" in Washington, DC and was flown to Massachusetts for sex in the basement of Frank's Boston home. <2-5-1999, p. 126>

However, Urbom did not subpoena all the photos and did not ask Bonacci to identify photos of specific senators and congressmen, or reveal their names in court transcripts and depositions we examined; nor did Judge Urbom explain why investigations have never commenced regarding which members of congress had sex with children.


The evidence DeCamp presented was so credible and substantial that Urbom awarded Paul Bonacci $1 million for child abuse on February 19, 1999 regarding his lawsuit involving Larry King. This, despite a Nebraska jury having already indicted Bonacci for perjury in 1990, ultimately sending an intentionally damaged, spiritually and physically abused young man to prison for five years--and despite his treatment by King, described in court testimony:

"They put guns up to my head. Had guns put in my mouth...Larry King sent out boys, men, to jump me...he had them pretty well beat the tar out of me from the waist down so nobody would see the marks...I had my fingers broken...I can remember them burning me with hot instruments...placing stuff inside me...almost what I call a cattle prod...But it would be put inside then they'd shock me inside my -- ...Judge Urbom: Anus?...Yes... And they would -- ...Judge: You mean electrically heated?...They would put it in and then push a button and it would shock me...Judge Urbom:..done by Larry King at his direction?...At his direction..."

"I threatened to go to the police in California, thought maybe they would listen whereas in Omaha they were in his pocketbook...he had me hung out of an airplane with a rope by my ankles... If they wanted to get something passed through the legislature, he would put some people that were against it in a compromising position. By using us boys and girls ...Judge Urbom: Was this by your being the sexual partner of that person?...Yes...Judge Urbom: ...Any estimates of how often you participated as the sexual partner of one of these persons that he wanted to get some kind of control over?...There were times when it would be four or five in a night...on probably a couple thousand times...sometimes dozens of times with the same person..."

Curiously, Paul Bonacci told investigators that the sex ring was based out of Offutt U.S. Air Force Base near Omaha, having been taken there to be abused since he was three years old in 1970. At Offutt, Paul said he was "trained" by tortures, heavy drugging and sexual degradation.

So intent upon his physical harm, the government "moved Bonacci to different facilities--despite agreements worked out by DeCamp, purposefully given food to which he was allergic while his weight dropped, and denied a blanket for months...beaten several times in jail and placed with potentially violent people associated with Larry King," according to Decamp.

John DeCamp told us last week that "Larry King was released from prison on April 11, 2001 after serving about five years," adding "he's back in Washington, DC and now involved in this story again."

John DeCamp just released an updated 2005 edition of his original book about the secret White House-linked national child sex-ring entitled The Franklin Cover-up <$12.95 + $4.00 shipping: contact [e-mail] for 2005 edition>. The carefully researched and graphic expose involves convicted GOP operative Lawrence E. "Larry" King Jr. who allegedly hired photographers to capture legislators and high officials in compromising sexual positions with children while he managed the Franklin Federal Credit Union--according to court testimony on 2-5-1999.

Past mysterious deaths, clandestine arrests, court testimony, and credible evidence of FBI and CIA participation in their cover-up also raise questions as to why elderly pedophile priests are removed from their pulpits, prosecuted and imprisoned for sex acts committed 40 years ago and why famous music entertainers are prosecuted for pedophilia; yet elderly pedophile federal legislators may still remain in the U.S. House and Senate--drawing a free pass for past criminal child-sex acts.

Regarding his role in taking blackmail photos of government officials, Rusty Nelson confirmed Bonacci’s testimony to Judge Urbom: "Q: Children on the airplane?...yes. Q: How young?...There was one situation went back to Washington, DC...he had probably 10, 12 years old...Q: Boys, girls?...Both...Q: Who attended the parties?...Prominent business people, very prominent high-ranking officials, politicians. The younger people. What would transpire was they would have a party and then a party after the party...after the party was more of a sex-type deal...That’s what Larry would -- -- Q: These old politicians were having sex with each other?...Or people Larry would bring...some younger people...Did you take pictures of the parties?...I took pictures at some of the parties, yes..."

After the Secret Service allowed Paul Bonacci to have access to the White House on July 3, 1988, one of DeCamp’s investigators said the young pedophile victim was able to draw a floor-plan of the presidential inside living quarters of the White House--an area not available to the public--lending stong credence to a June 29, 1989 Washington Times front page story, "Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush," when reporters Paul Rodriguez and George Archibald said "Call-boys took midnight tour of White House."





Presidential indiscretions--or criminal acts?

According to a Nebraska state police report, Nebraska Foster Care Review Board letter to the Attorney General, Nebraska Senate’s Franklin committee investigative report, and a 50-page report by Omaha’s Boys Town welfare case officer Mrs. Julie Walters, pedophile victims Nelly and Kimberly Webb detailed a massive child sex, homosexual and pornography operation run out of Nebraska by Larry King--but with close ties directly to the White House.

Mrs. Walter’s Nebraska Dept. of Social Services report (3-25-86) revealed: "<14 year-old> Nelly said at these trip parties hosted by Larry King, she sat naked ‘looking pretty and innocent’ and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted, but penetration was not allowed...Nellysaid she first met V. P. George Bush at the Republican Convention where King sang the national anthem, and saw Bush again at a Washington, DC party Larry hosted...Last year <1985> she met V.P. Bush and saw him at one of the parties Larry gave while on a Washington, DC trip. At some of the parties there are just men (as was the case at the party George Bush attended)...Nelly said she has seen sodomy committed at those parties."

The Walters report continued: "On December 19, 1988, Nelly was contacted and voluntarily came to the FBI offices on December 30, 1988. She was interviewed by Brady, Tucker and Phillips...in September or October, 1984 when Lisa was 14 she went to Chicago with Larry King and 15-20 boys from Omaha...She indicates she attended a party in Chicago with King and the male youths. She indicated George Bush was present...she sat at a table at the party wearing nothing but a negligee. She stated George Bush saw her on the table. She stated she saw George Bush pay King money and Bush left the party with a nineteen year old black boy named Brent. Lisa said the party Bush attended was in Chicago in September or October 1984. The Chicago Tribune of October 31, 1984 said Bush was in Illinois campaigning for congressional candidates at the end of October."

Bush 41 surfaced again in Lowe's May, 1989 review of reports by Thomas Vlahoulis from the state attorney general's office: "Sorenson told Vlahoulis that both Kimberly and Nelly brought up the name of George Bush and indicated that they had both met him..."

In spite of four polygraph tests administered by a Nebraska state trooper who said he was convinced Nelly was telling the truth, a Washington country, Nebraska judge in December, 1990 ignored Julie Walter’s 50-page report, numerous debriefings of the girls by foster care officials and youth workers stating the sisters told the truth--specifically about George Bush Sr., and dismissed all charges against their foster parents Jarrett and Barbara Webb, who Nelly and Kimberly said had allowed them to be abused.

Regarding his role in taking blackmail photos of government officials, recently re-arrested Rusty Nelson confirmed Bonacci’s testimony to Judge Urbom: "Q: Children on the airplane?...yes. Q: How young?...There was one situation went back to Washington, DC he had probably 10, 12 years old...Q: Boys, girls?...Both...Q: Who attended the parties?...Prominent business people, very prominent high-ranking officials, politicians. The younger people. What would transpire was they would have a party and then a party after the party...after the party was more of a sex-type deal...That’s what Larry would -- -- Q: These old politicians were having sex with each other?...Or people Larry would bring...some younger people...Did you take pictures of the parties?...I took pictures at some of the parties, yes..."



Gosch to Guckert to Gannon?



Cable television news reports have recently linked an alleged male prostitute to the present White House since George W. Bush permitted James Guckert to use an unprecedented Secret Service-approved alias (Jeff Gannon) while having access to the White House for two years as a pool reporter serving the younger Bush--before which Gannon had advertised himself on internet pornography sites as a male "escort" charging $200 an hour. John DeCamp told this writer "I believe Johnny Gosch and Jeff Gannon are one and the same person--but I am not in a position to know positively."

During a recent phone interview, Noreen Gosch told TomFlocco.com that she is still not sure whether her missing son Johnny is in fact James Gannon, because she has "not seen enough evidence." But having been abducted in 1982, Johnny Gosch would now be about 35-36 years old. Gannon claims to be 47 but his "male4male" website escorts profile lists him as 31 in 2000, which would also make him 35-36 years old today.

George W. Bush has not explained how Guckert/Gannon--who had advertised himself as a male escort--could apparently operate in the White House as a reporter for two years using a Secret Service-approved alias and regularly be called upon by George W. Bush and press secretary Scott McClellan during nationally televised presidential press conferences.

Questions can be raised as to whether Gannon also had access to the White House living quarters as Paul Bonacci and other call-boys did during his father’s administration--as the Washington Times reported. Photos of George W. Bush and Jeff Gannon together indicate that they have a cordial personal relationship.

Noreen Gosch said her son Johnny is living under an assumed name after being abducted on September 5, 1982 while serving his Sunday morning paper route. During a clandestine visit from her son when he was 27 or 28, Mrs. Gosch said Johnny told her he was taken by a highly organized, very corporate global pedophile/pornography ring--linked to the Washington, DC congressional call-boy scandal during the 1980's.



Hunter Thompson directed child murder-sex film?

A controversial author, Hunter Thompson was allegedly linked to Larry King as implicated in Paul Bonacci's testimony in which the pedophile victim revealed that Thompson directed a graphic ‘snuff’ film made near Sacramento, California at a location called " Bohemian Grove ."

Bonacci--flown numerous times across state lines for sexual exploitation to Washington, DC and other cities--testified on videotape <5-14-1990> for Nebraska State Police investigator Gary Caradori. Bonacci said that while on a trip to Sacramento, he was forced at gun-point to commit homosexual acts on another boy before he watched other men do the same--after which the boy was shot in the head.

In separate testimony, Decamp said Bonacci told him "Larry King was smiling and laughing the whole time the film was being shown...as the men watched, they passed Nicholas and me around as if we were toys, and sexually abused us."


Bonacci’s testimony has been evaluated as credible and well-informed by leading child abuse experts, psychiatrists, psychologists and polygraph tests; and he has also testified that he was forced to lure Johnny Gosch into being kidnapped--considered by many to be the most notorious U.S. child sex-slavery case.



Protecting legislators at the expense of children

John Decamp told TomFlocco.com that Franklin child-abuse witness "Alisha Owen was convicted of lying that as a minor, she had sex with Omaha Chief of Police Robert Wadman. She was placed in solitary confinement for years--the most brutal treatment of a female inmate in Nebraska history for a first-time offense," to which Decamp added, "it was done to keep her silent and away from other inmates, but also as a warning to the other children."

21 year-old Alisha Jahn Owen was sentenced on August 8, 1991 to serve nine to twenty-seven years in prison for telling a grand jury that she was sexually abused as a juvenile by a Nebraska District Court judge, by Omaha's Chief of Police, by the manager of the Franklin Credit Union, and others.

DeCamp said "Alisha witnessed abuse of other children and functioned as an illegal drug courier traveling nationwide for some of Nebraska's wealthiest, most powerful and prominent businessmen." But a local and a federal grand jury indicted the victim-witnesses for perjury--throwing the key young people in prison to cover up child-sex and illegal drugs.

The Nebraska State Senate’s primary Franklin Committee investigator Gary Caradori's March 14, 1990 notes revealed that on the day of the federal agents' raid on Franklin Credit Union, "a large amount of pornographic material was taken out of the credit union, including videos and photographs depicting sexual acts. I was told that if Friedrichs or any of the other people working for the CPA firm contacted by the government would say anything, they would automatically lose their jobs."

That evidence was never made available to the Nebraska Senate's Franklin Committee, nor was its existence publicly acknowledged by the FBI; and all raid warrants were sealed by United States Magistrate Richard Kopf--the same court official who ordered to have Larry King taken by federal agents to a federal psychiatric facility for "tests," on February 7, 1990 as President George H. W. Bush was coming to Omaha for a fundraising event.

Alisha Owen testified to the Franklin Committee on June 11, 1990 that the FBI attempted to influence federal witness testimony--that her former lawyer Pam Vuchetich had come to see her in the spring: "giving a proposal from the FBI that if I recanted my story then nothing would happen to me; I could get out of prison and no charges would ever be brought against me...they would write letters to the judge asking for my sentence reduction..."

Her parents, Donna and Alvin Owen told the committee about the incident on June 21, 1990: "Q: You testified that your husband was there?...sitting in the living room, I remember...Q: Did she tell you who in the FBI made that deal, made that offer to her?...Mickey Mott...He works closely with Rick Culver and John Pankonon...

Curiously, state policeman Gary Caradori, died July 11, 1990 in a small-plane explosion, one month after FBI officials attempted to coerce a key child witness to recant her testimony--and even though a deputy sheriff first at the crash site said there was child pornography scattered all over the farmer’s field and the farmer said he witnessed the plane exploding in mid-air before crashing to the ground

Johnny Gosch’s mother, Noreen, said "undisclosed sources told her the FBI immediately arrived with three flatbed trucks , grabbed the evidence from the sheriff’s hands, cordoned off the field, walked the field, picked up every piece of evidence, took the plane and all its parts and put it on the flatbed trucks, and told the peace officer, ‘This is confidential information and don’t ever speak of it again.’ The evidence has never surfaced again in Nebraska’s Franklin investigation or any other investigation." < Ted Gunderson Report , June 28, 2000>

DeCamp's book reveals more clear evidence of witness tampering and possible accessory to murder: On the evening of July 11, 1990, the day her husband crashed to his death, Sandie Caradori received several phone calls from Troy Boner. She wrote in her notes: "I am familiar with his voice and can be 100% assured that I did in fact receive telephone calls from him...Troy: Gary wasn't lying. He didn't tell me what to say. What I told him was the truth. (He spoke rapidly, fighting back tears) They made me take it back. They threatened me...You don't understand, they threatened me. They made me take it back. I was so scared..."

In 1990, according to DeCamp, "Troy Boner was going to provide the information in open court, under oath, that would blow the lid off the Franklin case and force a new trial for Alisha Owen...As Troy came into the courthouse, he was immediately ushered into a private room by county judicial authorities...the hearing was delayed for one hour...Troy was in the room with a "Special Attorney" and with other officials from the prosecutor's office-- the very same prosecutorial team Troy was about to testify against."

"... Troy leaned over and whispered to me, "Oh God, forgive me. They guaranteed if I talk here today, they will put me away for twenty years...told me I would be charged with perjury for my original testimony if I opened my mouth today in court...Look what they did to Alisha...Look what they did to my brother."

DeCamp's 2005 edition incredibly reveals, " In late 2003 , Troy Boner walked into a hospital in New Mexico screaming "they're after me, they're after me because of this book." The book Boner was waving was The Franklin Cover-up . Boner was '... mildly sedated and calmed down...and put in a private room for observation .' "

"When nurses came back to check on him early next morning, Boner was sitting in a chair, bleeding from the mouth and quite dead. Former FBI Los Angeles Bureau Chief Ted Gunderson tried to get autopsy and other information and details that were promised him on Boner's death, but Gunderson and apparently every other entity, were totally shut out of all information. No news stories were published on Boner's death despite his "notoriety" in the Franklin case." (John DeCamp, The Franklin Cover-up ) Another witness was gone.

DeCamp added that the FBI had also confiscated Larry King’s flight manifests from various airline charter companies, thus helping to cover up proof of sexual exploitation of children and interstate transportation of minors across state lines for sexual purposes.

Washington, DC: child sodomy hotbed?

Rusty Nelson’s quick arrest following on the heels of Hunter Thompson’s ‘suicide’ and alleged assertions that Jeff Gannon could be Johnny Gosch may all have serious criminal implications, as Thompson and Nelson were said to be closely linked to child sexual criminality at the highest levels of government--acts still punishable by law and easily meriting cover-up attempts by powerful forces.

Paul Bonacci, forced to help kidnap Johnny Gosch into sex-slavery, also told Franklin Committee investigators he toured the White House at midnight on July 3, 1988 with Craig Spence--a lobbyist and political operative who arranged male prostitute visits to the White House but who turned up dead himself just three months after the 6-29-89 Washington Times call-boy headline. The police were quick to call a suicide.

Spence had "hinted the tours were arranged by ‘top-level’ persons, including Donald Gregg, national security advisor to Vice-President Bush," according to the Washington Times <8-9-89>, adding, "Spence, according to friends, was also carrying out homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA."

Spence and Gregg were reportedly close friends, as Spence had sponsored a dinner in Gregg’s honor in the spring of 1989 at Washington posh Four Seasons Hotel in Georgetown just before the White House prostitution scandal broke at the beginning of the Bush 41 tenure. < George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography , Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, Chapter 21--Omaha>

A June 30, 1989 Washington Times report said "Rep. Barney Frank, Massachusetts Democrat and a self-proclaimed homosexual who several weeks ago threatened to reveal a list of Republican homosexuals in Congress, said he was ‘not surprised’ by the revelations."

The Times also said <8-25-1989>, "A male prostitute convicted of drug trafficking and sex offenses against a minor used the Chevy Chase Elementary School in late 1987 to run his prostitution operation after the school's principal began buying sex from him."

"The call-boy was allowed to sleep and use phones in the school even after the principal left at 5 p.m., while teachers and the children were still involved in after-school activities such as chorus," said the principal, Gabriel A. Massaro, who also revealed "he had a four-year relationship with the prostitute and provided him with a guidance counselor's office and telephone at the model ‘magnet school’ even while children were in classes elsewhere in the building."

Also according to the Times, "Massaro acknowledged that he attended a meeting between Davis and his Alexandria probation officer at the Capitol Hill home of Rep. Barney Frank, Massachusetts Democrat, another client whose home the call-boy used to perform sexual services." The paper did not reveal the age or name of the call-boy or whether he serviced Congressman Frank.

A clearly unethical and likely illegal presidential appointment was also linked to the White House child sex-ring: "In August, 1990, Bush appointed Ronald Roskens of Nebraska to head the Agency for International Development (AID). Roskens had been fired the previous year as chancellor of the University of Nebraska, where Larry King was a member of his advisory committee.

Gary Caradori’s daily notes for February 19, 1989 record: ‘I was informed that Roskens was terminated by the state because of sexual activities reported to the Regents and verified by them. Mr. Roskens was reported to have had young men at his residence for sexual encounters." < Franklin Cover-up , p.177>

DeCamp added that AID assignments have been used as a "cover" by CIA agents; and in spite of Roskens’ sexual background and termination by Nebraska educators and his clear potential for being blackmailed, President Bush appointed him anyway.



Karl: ‘Rove’ing DC, approving 'special' WH press passes?

The extent to which White House Senior Domestic Policy Advisor Karl Rove played a part in approving the Gucket/Gannon White House press passes is not known.

However, CBS News spoke of a Rove-Gannon connection , saying "Gannon's aggressively partisan work and the ease with which he got day passes for the White House press room the past two years make it hard to believe that he wasn't at least implicitly sanctioned by the "boy genius."
Following on the heels of Guckert-Gannon, Walter Storch, editor of the Barnes Review News reported a three weeks ago that "Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year." <2004>

A Barnes reporter told Storch that "Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb. Leather Dominator who had won the Miss Virginia Daddy Bear title at the MAL festivities."

Storch wrote, "Karl used to hang out a JR’s, which is on 17th between P & S streets, before he became so well-known. This is a respectable gay bar for discreet people...," adding, "there is an expensive apartment...over near Dupont Circle that certain powerful senators take turns visiting with their pickups."

"Bush, via Karl Rove, was projected as a moral man who would return a hedonistic America to the simpler virtues of a bygone era. A large part of the American public, unhappy with what they saw as debilitating liberalism, abortion on demand, gay marriage and other forms of moral decay, put Bush back in office," said the Barnes editor.

"Now they have to deal with rampant male whores prancing around the White House in consort with a small army of closet queens, all of whom very obviously have the ear, and the confidence, (and hopefully, that’s all they have) of their ‘moral’ choice for President," said Storch.

Interestingly, TBRNews.org also counts "one Supreme Court Justice, several governors (all Republican) and at least one very prominent televangelist" among those high officials who are saying one thing and doing another with respect to Storch's closet queen issue.

While American citizens watch, unanswered questions remain as Democrats and Republicans ignore young witnesses with clear and credible evidence--refusing to hold each other's legislators criminally accountable for their unspeakable crimes against children.

Andy Stephenson and Mary Schneider contributed to this report.


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Appalling Conspiracy Of Silence Video Online
From Thrasher
http://www.media-underground.net
01-09-05


Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies.

Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada.

At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed.

A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired FBI Agent Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved.

See for yourself...

Download video: 41 Megs. This is the full program
(sound quality is not at its best. NOTE: The video contains nothing explicit, only interviews. It is a documentary.)




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New Leads Implicate CIA, Government Officials In Child Prostitution Ring



KWWL 7 News | May 26, 2005

A cold case is heating up. Iowa paperboy Johnny Gosch vanished without a trace in 1982. But, now, after KWWL's story last month on Johnny's disappearance, there is new information on the case.

A private investigator working Johnny's disappearance believe his kidnapping was part of a government conspiracy. The investigator shared new evidence with KWWL and it could be the break needed to solve this case. That evidence includes a recorded phone call that has never been heard publicly, until now.

During the early morning of Septmeber 5, 1982, Johnny Gosch was kidnapped from a West Des Moines neighborhood while delivering newspapers. It was silent, quick and professional. "This man has told us that at the end of their investigation that there were 834 kids involved that were kidnapped," says James Rothstein. He's talking about a former CIA agent who must remain anonymous.

Rothstein is a former New York City police detective, now a private investigator working the case for Johnny's mother, Noreen. And within the last couple weeks, Rothstein has uncovered new evidence linking Johnny's kidnapping to child prostitution. "It basically came down to one thing and one thing only. You know, it was money. These kids were being grabbed to satisfy the malignant, twisted, you know, evil depravity of very powerful individuals who have the money," he says.

Rothstein is talking about individuals who would spend as much as $10,000 to have sex with young boys and girls. And this new evidence points to the involvement of U.S. government officials. "They were using kids to compromise people. And what better way to compromise somebody than get a young boy with a politician or some powerful person that may be in the military or whatever and then you can compromise them and get what ever you want."

Last month, people on the internet and investigators like Rothstein began to believe a man who passed himself off as a White House reporter and known male prostitute Jeff Gannon could be Johnny Gosch. And while Gannon's true idenity still can't be confirmed, Rothstein says the more clues he uncovers, the possibility Gannon may be Gosch increases, "When you look into the whole abduction of Johnny, what happened, the cover-up that took place, the way the kidnapping was done, this was a professional job and it fits the profile that I have seen over the years as a professional investigator."

Rothstein now believes the CIA was involved and tried cover it up. "They were assigned to find out if there was an agency connection to it and I am quite sure that if they found one, to make sure it was covered," he says.

And Rothstein's CIA informant says this: "We were specifically ordered to clear our name. This would make the American agency look pretty s****y, like we're all a bunch of f***ing child molesters."

We requested information from the CIA on three kidnappings, Rothstein and his CIA informant believes to be connected. The first, Johnny Gosch, the second, Eugene Martin, kidnapped on August 12th, 1984 while delivering newspapers in Des Moines.

And, Jacob Wetterling, who was kidnapped from his Minnesota neighborhood on October 22, 1989. The CIA responded to our request with this letter, denying the agency investigated any of the kidnapping cases. But, Rothstein's source says, it happened often and for big bucks, "You could order one of these kids, it was $2,500 to $3,000 up front then you had the balance of another $3,000 to $3,500 or $4,000 upon completion. In some cases, you know depending on the circumstances you can probably get them at the bargain basement price of $1,500, but most I think that we ever saw was for the bondage and the freaky s**t and that was an even $10,000 and people...these people would hand that money out like it was candy."

That's what it cost to hire a kidnapper to steal a child like Johnny off the street. And with new details like this coming to light, catching Johnny's kidnappers might actually happen. "Any police agency that would get involved in this case to this date can solve that case. The case is more solvable now, than it has even been. And that case should have been solved hours after it happened. The witnesses are out there. You yourself have found some," Rothstein says.

Those witnesses include a Black Hawk County woman who wishes to remain anonymous. She sent Rothstein this packet of information. "Johnny Gosch is mentioned in it involving something that was going on years ago in the Waterloo, Iowa area," Rothstein says.

And while Rothstein hasn't determined the significance of the possible Waterloo connection, he says it's just as important as the phone conversation he had with a CIA agent. "That's solid information with names. That's where you start investigating and that should have been done years ago," he says.

And because it wasn't, Rothstein continues to make phone calls, and work leads, hoping his next big break is the one that solves the mystery behind the disappearance of Johnny Gosch.

For the past month, Rothstein has been tracking the activities of two suspects he believes could be responsible for kidnapping Johnny Gosch. We couldn't name them in our report because it hurt the investigation. We agreed to keep their identities secret so we could tell you this story.


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The Pedophocracy, Part II: ... to Washington

Things haven't changed over the years ... DynCorp's Sex Slaves!

Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney Grills Donald Rumsfeld about DynCorp's Sex-Slaves

New Leads Implicate CIA, Government Officials In Child Prostitution Ring

Alex Jones Interviews Former Nebraska Senator John DeCamp, Author of “The Franklin Cover-up.”

What is "Human Trafficking?"

Stop Child Trafficking

DynCorp Disgrace

Pentagon Sex Slaves

Cynthia McKinney Grills Donald Rumsfeld About Child Sex-Trafficking and DynCorp

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. The Dumber One

eom

[TwilightZone]

12. Probably the best political campaigner we've had in decades.

Kind of amusing (or sad) that an excellent public speaker like Bill is followed up by a chimp in a suit.

[illinoisprogressive]

21. Best president the republicans ever had - maybe that's why his new book is in bargain bin already

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. self censored

.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I Would Like For The Mod To Close My Thread

I realize I made a mistake by praising a two term Democratic president on a Democratic board...

Good evening...

[babylonsister]

29. What, you can't handle the truth? Sorry-take the good with the bad. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. You Nailed Me

Silly me... It would be like going to the New York Yankees board and saying a George Herman Ruth was a great Yankee....


:sarcasm:

[pampango]

36. You better not be bringing the Babe s**t to the Yankee board.

Sure the Babe was good (all right, great), but he wasn't perfect (and as I read things that is, or should be, our standard at DU). He struck out plenty of times. And there were plenty of other times when he made outs in spite of his best efforts. And he stopped pitching after just a few seasons, when he could have helped the team from the mound as well.

I know, I know, there hasn't been one like him since and you don't see on in the near future. So what. Praising a flawed human being is so, so, I don't know, so juvenile. For all we know he had affairs and refused to take the trash out to the curb, so let's don't be praising someone as flawed as the Babe. ;)

[OzarkDem]

45. There's not much truth

in any of the crap that's been posted about Clinton in this thread. Just a lot of warmed over GOP talking points.

[LeftishBrit]

35. Wish he was back instead of Bush!

Much safer and better for the world.

No doubt a bit conservative by my leftie standards; but he was very intelligent and sensible, and when you compare him to his insane monster of a successor....!!!!

[Ohio Joe]

37. It appears to not be popular

But I love President Clinton also.

[OzarkDem]

46. Its very popular

Clinton was a great president, probably the best since FDR. He did an excellent job of fixing up GOP messes and restoring peace in the world. Another 4 years and he would have been able to solve the mess in the ME.

[sufrommich]

39. Me too. nt

[Perry Logan]

44. Bill Clinton's was also the CLEANEST two-term administration since Teddy Roosevelt.

As measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations, the Clinton Administration was the cleanest administration of the 20th century.

(Shows you how screwed-up the U.S. media are, huh?)

By the same measure, the most corrupt administration in American history BY FAR was Ronald "Death Squad" Reagan's. The Reagan gang would sometimes rack up more convictions and forced resignations IN A SINGLE DAY than the Clinton administration managed in its entire eight years.

[SammyWinstonJack]

63. ...

:thumbsup:

[hiphopnation]

69. "I love the Big Dog"

[hiphopnation]

70. and to clarify

i love(ed) him too for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread. hell i didn't even mind his carelessness when it came to clenis. most of all, i respect that he was a peace maker, at least with his foreign policies.

but a tragic legacy for him will be the dramatic jump in incarceration rates, esp. among blacks. the prison industrial complex is firmly entrenched (there are small towns built around prisons!) and young black males are their tenants more than ever. it's tragic. and clinton is partially to blame, imho.

[burythehatchet]

71. Best republican president ever - Alan Greenspan

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. That's Because

Greenspan said it because Republicans are vain enough to believe that only they can create peace and prosperity...Sadly some Democrats are under their spell without knowing it...