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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:08 PM
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Disturbing: "Al Gore and the Nobel Peace Prize"
I received this link via message today...
This is information that I didn't want to know...I've been apolitical for most of my life, and didn't realize what transpired during this time....I've had Al Gore on a pedestal for so long...Bought Earth in the Balance years ago...and now I read this...
Opinions?
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Al Gore and the Nobel Peace Prize

The Nobel Foundation, in existence now for more than one hundred years, was established when Alfred Nobel requested the foundation’s creation in his last will and testament. Nobel, after receiving criticism for his invention of dynamite, determined that he preferred his legacy to contribute to rather than detract from humanity. After lengthy discussion and argument as to the intent of his will, the Nobel Foundation was established years after his death.


The Nobel Peace Prize, as determined by Nobel’s own words, should be granted, “to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses". Al Gore hardly fits this requirement; however, this argument will not analyze or critique his behavior for the jets he fuels on his journeys throughout the world, nor the distribution of a film that discussed his life more than the issue it purports to tackle (Global Warming), it will examine some of the events that unfolded during his Vice-Presidency under Bill Clinton. In fact, according to Edward S. Herman the office of Bill Clinton was responsible for some of the most horrific war crimes and abuses of international law, such as the Geneva Conventions and The Hague in the history of the United States. The Bush Administration has simply furthered the abuses of power that Clinton et al reigned down upon poor nations. The list of abuses includes the carrying out of wars of aggression, the use of poison gases and other inhumane weapons, deliberately killing and starving civilian populations, and the use of force beyond military necessity. None of which Al Gore ever used his power to deter or extinguish. As stated by the International Criminal Court, any crime against peace is namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the forgoing…War Crimes and Crimes against humanity. Considering the long list of civilians enslaved, oppressed, starved, and violently murdered during the Clinton Administration, Mr. Gore surly should stand trial as an accomplice along side Clinton.

The list of crimes against humanity committed by the US under Clinton and Gore is gruesome indeed. Included are the genocide in East Timor, the illegal and unwarranted bombings of Sudan, Iraq, and Afghanistan, coupled with aid to Turkey and Columbia, where the civilian casualties from counterinsurgency warfare and death squad operations…exceeded the pre-NATO bombing deaths in Kosovo by a large factor. None of this, of course, includes the brutal sanctions imposed on Iraq, which, had it not been for the power the US wields on the UN Security Council, would have been prosecuted as war crimes under international law.

According to UNICEF, in 1999, years into the Clinton/Gore administration, sanctions in Iraq were killing close to 5,000 children under the age of 5 monthly far beyond normal death rates. Several reports from the United States Defense Agency show that contrary to the Geneva Convention, the US government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the countries water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway. (Jeff Lindemyer, November 2001). Other DIA documents (dated January, 1991, February, 1991, and March 1991) showed that not only was the Clinton/Gore Administration knowledgeable about how the sanctions would impact civilians, they monitored the situation closely. A charismatic statesman, Clinton repeatedly cited abuses of the “Oil for Food Program” by Iraqi leaders as the cause of civilian casualties and suffering, of course avoiding the fact that the devastation of sanctions was being felt by Iraqi’s as early as 1991 and the “Oil for Food Program” did not start until December of 1996. As the “Oil for Food Program” got underway, the US continued charges levied at the Saddam regime, with no basis in fact. According to the US State Department, Holds on inappropriate contracts help prevent the diversion of oil-for food goods to further Saddam’s personal interests. However, Jeff Lindemyer shows that requests for urgent assistance were repeatedly delayed to the point that Secretary-General Kofi-Annan along with Benon Sevon wrote numerous letters decrying the excessive holds placed on items ordered under the program, not by the Saddam regime, but by the UN Security Council.

Remarkable to the Clinton/Gore Administration was its ongoing relationship with President Suharto, the person responsible for genocide in Indonesia, East Timor, and West Papua. Clinton brokered weapons deals and trade agreements, which enslaved an entire people for companies such as Reebok and Nike, while US bought weapons were used to exterminate any people who resisted. Against the will of the Administration and the corporate controlled media, it was the actions of a few brave journalists who brought this tragedy to light. American journalist Amy Goodman was severely beaten by US supplied weapons when she captured the murder of innocent civilians in East Timor. Upon her return to the United States, she worked tirelessly to bring attention to the matter through US media outlets who finally after intense international coverage could no longer ignore the story, however, the coverage the genocide did receive was minimal and no mention was made of US involvement.

Some other notable war crimes and immoralities committed by the Clinton/Gore Administration include the use of DynaCorp, a private “security firm” that at the time Clinton and Gore were lobbying Congress heavily for their use in South America was in the midst of an investigation for participation in a child sex-slave ring. Regardless of this knowledge Clinton/Gore continued to offer DynaCorp military contracts and relied on the firm heavily to carry out illegal military operations. The people of the Delta Niger suffered and continue to suffer horrific environmental degradation, mass murder, and torture at the hands of the US backed government, which Clinton/Gore did not hesitate weaponizing and training at the time of these known abuses.
Clearly, Mr. Gore, if he had any redeeming qualities at all, would apologize for his active role and participation in these war crimes and crimes against humanity, and return the Nobel in order to be awarded to someone more deserving.

http://justicepeace.blogspot.com/
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:10 PM
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1. So should we believe some obscure blogger or the Nobel Committee?
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:10 PM
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2. What a nice little hit piece. nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:10 PM
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3. Nice RW tripe.
Thanks for dragging it here.
Just one question.
IF ANY of this IS true, can you tell me what Presidential powers the Constitution affords a VP?
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:19 PM
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8. I'm very sorry.....
This is not a RW blog...I was looking for those with more knowledge of this administration's involvement in the Middle East...
I asked for opinions...
I didn't mean to 'drag' it in here as I found it disturbing and was looking for someone to debunk...
I'm aware of presidential powers...it's the team player aspect I'm questioning...
I've been hoping that Al Gore would run...like many others here on DU...

All I asked for was enlightenment...

peace~
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:44 PM
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18. You sounded too patronizing for my liking.........
just a thought, no offense meant.



:hangover:
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:56 PM
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23. Is being real patronizing?
This is who I am...so be it..and no offense taken.


peace~
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:19 PM
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9. More like far left tripe
Which is often the same difference. I'm convinced that if you go far enough on the political spectrum, you will meet the other side.
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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:13 PM
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4. But Clinton was the best, ever
dontcha know!
A lot of people have short memories vis a vis Clinton/Gore.

There is a reason Bush and Hillary have appeared to be getting closer lately.

I want a Pres who's nowhere near either Bush or Clinton (Billy, that is).


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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:13 PM
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5. "reigned down" "surly" (instead of surely) - illiterate, unreadable
garbage, fit for the fire. It's not even entertaining. :puke:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:18 PM
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6. Sounds like something you'd expect to read over at Counter Punch
They don't like us much over there.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:19 PM
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7. If this blogger were open-minded, imagine how GWB's background would look.
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 10:25 PM by Frustratedlady
I received a similar one about Clinton, yesterday, referring to all the crimes he committed while in office. I read the piece with my jaw on the floor. Where and how could they dig that stuff up and I couldn't believe how they twisted everything to fit their purpose.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but this past week has seemed like a turning point bringing forth more hate. Is it spin or is it guilt for having voted this cabal into office? If we were divided by state lines, I believe we would be preparing for civil war.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:23 PM
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10. my question to you
do you really believe this stuff?
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:37 PM
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13. Because of all that I've read
in the past few years...I don't know what to believe any more...
I'm asking questions...
There are facts out there regarding all of this...
Guess I should have done the research on my own...
And will do so when I have time...



peace~


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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:13 PM
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29. Well
the truth is, no Clinton and Gore had nothing to do with genocide,or war crimes anywhere in the world. The author of the piece you posted is obviously a Fox News analyst/researcher.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:31 PM
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11. Man, how did we ever survive? Thank goodness the neocons
didn't let him be president. Can you imagine how much worse the world would be? They save us from ourselves.:banghead: :sarcasm: :spank: :crazy: :freak: :dunce:
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:32 PM
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12. This isn't worth paying attention to. The blogger provides no citations
to back up her lengthy diatribe; not that there aren't some facts in there, but basically all this amounts to is her opinion. Hardly worth worrying about.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:41 PM
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16. Thank you...
just looking for some peace of mind...



peace~
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:38 PM
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14. If you already know it's twisted crap, you can do the research yourself to refute it
It's what I do when someone sends me an email I can't ignore. Google is your friend.

This is twisted crap, that's why it's disturbing to you.

"War crimes"? Don't make me laugh.

When Baby Caligula was selected, our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity was over.

Hekate

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:32 PM
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33. BABY CALIGULA!!!!!
:rofl:

:yourock:
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:45 PM
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35. The US government has been corrupt for so long...
that yes, I found it disturbing.....usually my first reaction is to research...Becasue of the knowledge I find on DU, decided to take a short cut....


Can't always be a lazy liberal...especially here...

peace~
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:26 PM
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37. What would put your mind at rest or at least
answer some of your concerns - go to the library or the nearest bookstore and pick up Gore's Assault on Reason.

That's all.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:38 PM
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15. How dare you post anything about
Saint Bill on DU...

While I don't believe much of what I read anymore, even on DU, I have heard some of these charges before (and the UNICEF figures are posted in many places). In spite of the worship here man don't ever stop questioning, it's the only way to get at the truth. But also don't expect to get anything but flamed if you dare question the Big Dog.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:42 PM
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17. But was there really a need to drag Al into this?
To use Al getting the Nobel prize to take a slap at Clinton?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:47 PM
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19. No probably not but that does not change the fact
that some of these charges are true. And the left seems to want to be as blind about Clinton as the right is about Bush. I see a number of posts who automatically dismiss it as "RW tripe" or a hit piece. I just wanted the OP to know he wasn't alone in questioning everything and everyone.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:09 PM
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28. Thank you....
I just learned my first lesson on DU....
I've learned a lot of things here...and visit almost daily..
I have never ridiculed anyone here...not my nature...
Ill get over my DU trauma by tomorrow...and will never stop questioning.
(most likely will not do it here again, though.)

Thank you for being you...


peace~
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:19 PM
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30. Heres another way of looking at it.......
on DU you make sure your facts are well toned, people that live a certain lifestyle from those that don't can be easily pick apart, your views are wild and to the extreme, a seasoned DUer will have notice the misconceptions on that post which you fail miserably to do, hence the attack.

So don't be surprise from the uproar you've caused, you savvy!!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:51 PM
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21. Supporting the truth...
is all I've ever done...I question everything...and this is the first time I've posted something like this....Immediate response was RW garbage, but this came from a very progressive blogger who delves into places I've not been....

I honestly didn't think I'd get flamed for questioning ...and am kicking myself for being too lazy to research...although I know the Clintons aren't pure...no one is. The 'birds of a feather' came into play....and I think I'd best put this to rest on my own...
Thanks...

peace~
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:49 PM
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20. get a life... nt
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:52 PM
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22. We have a comedian in our midst..
In fact, according to Edward S. Herman the office of Bill Clinton was responsible for some of the most horrific war crimes and abuses of international law, such as the Geneva Conventions and The Hague in the history of the United States. The Bush Administration has simply furthered the abuses of power that Clinton et al reigned down upon poor nations. The list of abuses includes the carrying out of wars of aggression, the use of poison gases and other inhumane weapons, deliberately killing and starving civilian populations, and the use of force beyond military necessity.



The Bush Administration has simply furthered the abuses of power that Clinton et al reigned down upon poor nations.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:56 PM
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24. Who knows what evil lurks in the minds of men....
remember that....well it was fictional but....it applies to people who made up the shit in that blog.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:01 PM
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25. It's innuendo disguised as fact - - take the description of the Dili Massacre in East Timor
The blogpost implies heavily that the Clinton admin was at least indirectly responsible for the Dili Massacre in East Timor - - that they were the administration who supplied the arms which were used to beat up Amy Goodman and slaughter of hundreds of East Timorese.

But the Dili Massacre occurred on November 12, 1991 - - nearly a YEAR before the first Presidential election that Clinton won. The massacre took place while George H. W. Bush was in office. His admin was responsible for the immediate response, not the Clinton/Gore admin. The U.S. cut off military aid to the Indonesian government in 1993 - - the first year Clinton and Gore were in office.

And here's an archived article from 1993 which characterizes GHW Bush, Clinton and Gore as highly critical of Suharto's East Timor policy:

http://www.hamline.edu/apakabar/basisdata/1993/08/22/0000.html

Written 3:07 pm Aug 21, 1993 by Agio@f101.n612.z90.pegasus.oz.au in igc:reg.easttimor */
/* ---------- "AMMUNITION FOR JAKARTA'S CRITICS" ---------- */
To: All
Re: AMMUNITION FOR JAKARTA'S CRITICS
From: peg:etra or (snip)@(snip)
Source: Sydney Morning Herald
Date: 18th August 1993
Scope: Unabridged
Newsgroup: reg:easttimor

DAVID JENKINS reports that Indonesia misuse of American
military hardware against domestic critics has harmed its
position in Washington.

There's nothing worse than spending millions of dollars on
foreign military equipment and then finding that the
manufacturer doesn't want you to use the stuff and won't
sell you any more weapons or ammunition.

(snip)

The Indonesian Air Force, which has 15 US-made F-5E Tiger
interceptors, wanted four more to make up for losses. Jordan,
which is modernising its armed forces with advanced
fighter, was willing to sell Jakarta four F-5s but needed
Americn approval to do so.

Early this month the Clinton Administration blocked the
sale, citing "a number of sensitive issues...including
human rights concerns in Indonesia".

(snip)

The Bush Administration was openly critical of the 1991
Dili massacre, in which Indonesian troops opened fire on
unarmed demonstrators, killing large numbers of them. The
Clinton Administration has been no less critical and has
pledged to make human rights a major focus of its foreign
policy. As well as blocking the sale fo the F-5s, it is
threatening to revoke Indonesia's tariff-free access to the
US market for some goods under the Generalised System of
Preferences (GSP) because of concerns over labour
conditions.

This is not just a matter of Bill Clinton going off on a
foreign policy frolic of his own. Alongside him is
Vice-President Al Gore, who has been a forthright critic of
human rights abuses in East Timor. Clinton's Defence
Secretary is Les Aspin, who, while serving as a Congressman
in January 1975, was sharply critical of the provision of
US military aid to Jakarta. "Why", he demanded, 10 months
before Indonesia used US military equipments to invade
Timor, "should we be helping them out with cut-rate
military hardware?"

(more... )
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:22 PM
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31. Ruing the post...
wishing that I had taken the time to keep to myself and research...
And here you are...
Thank you for supplying these facts.
That's all I asked for, and you came through...



peace~
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:33 PM
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34. Don't sweat it.
:hug:

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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:49 PM
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36. Oh you!
:hug:

Thank you....
I'm going to get out of here and savor that hug...
If you knew me and my background...you'd know how much that meant to me.

peace~
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:08 PM
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26. I wonder why items obviously not the responsibility of the US are listed -seems desperate to smear n
n/t
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:08 PM
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27. PSST...What say ye to reply #25...eh
LÔÔking up from this post!!! what say ye to that eh...I wonder!!




:shrug:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:23 PM
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32. Free Republic should just pay DU for doing their work for them, somedays.
:puke:
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