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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 03:19 AM
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People Begged George Washington to be President. He Didn't Wanna do it.
...Twice, he didn't want it! Oy!

Washington's Farewell Address 1796

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm

(And in modernized english)

http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/01/29/washingtons-farewell-address-translated-into-the-vernacular/



"The acceptance of, and continuance hitherto in, the office to which your suffrages have twice called me have been a uniform sacrifice of inclination to the opinion of duty and to a deference for what appeared to be your desire. I constantly hoped that it would have been much earlier in my power, consistently with motives which I was not at liberty to disregard, to return to that retirement from which I had been reluctantly drawn. The strength of my inclination to do this, previous to the last election, had even led to the preparation of an address to declare it to you; but mature reflection on the then perplexed and critical posture of our affairs with foreign nations, and the unanimous advice of persons entitled to my confidence, impelled me to abandon the idea."

And in the vernacular...

" I’ve been president twice now, and I didn’t want to do it either time. I tried to quit the first time, but the country was in trouble and every single person around me begged me to stay on."


Please kick and recommend and argue and yell. Thank you.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 03:23 AM
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1. Hello! I'm looking for an argument!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 05:18 AM
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6. Sorry, this is abuse
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 05:49 AM
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7. So you don't do arguments?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:16 AM
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31. Congrats on your DUzy award for the following:
Breaking : Global warming due to Nobel Peace Prize offset by FreeperFreezing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2029704

I think it's terrible that Rush Limbaugh is trying to rescind your award for this.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 03:27 AM
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2. I agree - Al should stick to the two-term limit
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 04:25 AM
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3. Two terms as in twice elected, or twice having served?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 05:18 AM
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5. I too agree!
Two-terms as VP, two terms as Prez. The legal limit.



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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 05:15 AM
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4. I wonder if, like, the guys who were with General Washington
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 05:27 AM by Kurovski
when he crossed the Delaware said to the people begging George to "run"-- "Hey! stop being rude to Washington!" and "Lay off, You great foolish buffoon!" and "Shall he take on the job? Never!"

But a bunch of people felt they needed him, or saw that he would be best at that time. And that his experience, wisdom and temperament made him the one. so they begged and nagged, and he did it.

Because the Nation felt it needed him. Because it was in trouble, and while there were other great and good men around it was decided that he would be best suited after all.

Whatever.







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Syntheto Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 07:08 AM
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8. Respectfully, I must say that this is disengenuous.
Everybody then knew that Washington was the only real choice, including Washington, himself. Those people had just won their autonomy from a continental power, and in the process, had more or less 'nationalized' British holdings and shipping left behind, as well as the confiscation of Tory property. Those who were still loyal to the Crown were forced to emigrate to Canada.

Washington had been the military leader, and the person most regarded as the architect of the victory.

He was over six feet tall, very wealthy, in property and yes, chattel slaves of African descent. No log cabin for him.

The European powers expected to entreat with him. He was the only choice, for many reasons, not the least among them was that he was a Southerner of the planter class, the defacto American aristocracy and a Mason, a secret, men-only society that formed the template of any number of clones, like say Skull and Bones, and to which the majority of the Continental government, all men of similar background and character as Washington, belonged to.

It was also implicit that Washington could have commanded the loyalty of Revolutionary War veterans in the event of a counter-revolution.

Think of British officer Patrick Ferguson, inventor of the breech loading Ferguson rifle (boy, could Toussaint LÓverture have used some of those in Haiti!) seeing a 'big fellow on horseback' right in front of him, but refusing to shoot him in the back because the guy, who turned out to be Washington, was an officer, and 'gentlemen don't shoot other gentlemen in the back'.

That's the key here: those people are nothing like us. They were very formal and ritualized. Being a gentleman meant something a lot more elaborate than opening doors for women. It was about reputation and their concept of honor.

Think about the Hamilton and Burr duel. A gentleman was obligated to defend his honor unto death, and there were specific steps and rituals that had to be observed that were as convoluted and arcane as any Japanese tea ceremony. If they would have had the Internet then, and anonymous blogs were posted calling a gentleman a coward, you can be sure that he would have the backing of 'decent society' in calling the poster out and passing out the dueling pistols. You just didn't do that, back then, without understanding that there would be life-or-death consequences to pay.

The founders, Washington included, knew that they were making history. Washington knew that everything he did would become protocol; he had been a British officer, albeit a colonial, and he and his class knew on which side of the plate the oyster fork went.

I always imagined him careful to watch in which order he ate his dinner at state functions, so as not to inadvertently create a protocol that called for eating only a third of your meat, then sending it back, all because his dentures were killing him that day and it pained him to eat.

He knew as well as anybody, that they would probably start serving food on specially created china that had a decorative ruler worked in as the design, so people would know when they reached the Third Esteak. (sorry, couldn't resist)

An eighteenth-century gentleman would not jump and down and show an unseemly eagerness for political office; that would have been a terrible breach of manners and nothing a gentleman would do, whereas we now wonder what game Gore is playing.

Sniping on YouTube or critical blogging is pitiful influence as compared to what being President and Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces could accomplish for our country and our relationship to the rest of the world.

George Washington's biggest public relations coup was to refuse an implicit invitation to become dictator, instead, he used the office as a bully pulpit and made a big production about taking the opportunity to retire back to his farm (actually, a sprawling slave-worked plantation) as did Cincinnatus, the ancient Roman general he wanted his legacy to be associated with.

Who, in today's big money politics can even conceive of that? It seems, well, quaint, for lack of a better word.

However, does anybody think that he didn't still have an active hand, behind the scenes? If not with direct political power, at least with the kind of influence any fabulously wealthy elder statesman, who just happened to be the commanding general of the forces that booted out the colonial overlords? What influence would Carter do with Bill Gates' money? What would Eisenhower have done?

Unfortunately, this isn't the 18th Century, and our word 'gentleman' doesn't mean the same thing as it did then, so if Gore is trying to emulate Washington's 'reluctance' to aspire to political office, it's becoming tiresome.

Methinks he protests too much.

Gore has a grace period until the 27th of December; after that, he will become a liability to the Democratic Party by becoming, in effect, a third-party candidate. That would do a disservice to everybody, and guarantee a Republican victory. Does anybody have any doubts about that?

Focus time is coming up in a month and a half, folks, and whether you like the official candidate or not, everybody needs to get on the bus, and that includes Gore.

Trying to create some sort of cult of personality around the guy is not the way to go. You and I have our place and part to play and so does Al Gore. If he won't step up to the plate and fill the slot, then we need somebody in there who will, and he will then be obligated to endorse that candidate with all the political currency he has accumulated.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 03:04 PM
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9. Nothing is exactly the same as another thing.
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 03:09 PM by Kurovski
Thank you for pointing that out.


Eisenhower didn't want to run either. Oh, those rude boomer-baby's mamas!

"The Draft Eisenhower movement was the first successful political draft of the 20th century to take a private citizen to the Oval Office. It was a widespread American grassroots political movement that eventually persuaded Dwight D. Eisenhower to run for President. The movement culminated in the 1952 presidential election in which Eisenhower won the Republican nomination and defeated Democrat Adlai Stevenson to become the 34th President of the United States."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Eisenhower

I'm for Gore until I'm not.

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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 09:38 PM
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12. Bravo and welcome
You're off to a great start
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:55 AM
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14. Writing good enough
to make a living at.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 01:57 AM
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15. Plus they offered to put his face on the dollar bill -- that sealed the deal... nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:35 PM
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20. And think of all the savings on mattresses offered in his name!
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 08:40 PM
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21. Awesome response!
The reluctant hero effect. Washington, Eisenhower, Thomas Anderson, Jesus Of Nazareth... and now Al Gore. Is Gore playing us on purpose? I think not.

Joseph Campbell would be proud to write such a piece as yours.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 10:20 PM
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22. I have never known Kurovski to be disingenuous.
Evil, brilliant, a sore loser, but never disingenuous. :evilgrin:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:37 AM
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23. So I'm late kicking the book thread I guess.
Congratulations. I'm ever so happy that you were the first to do so. I'm sending you 24 dozen roses. Organic. That's how happy I am for your win.

Be sure to wait by your window for the delivery van. It should be quite a sight.

Again, how marvelous for you.

:D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:40 PM
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27. Yikes.
:hide:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:19 PM
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28. Go Gore!
Get out from behind that wall so I can fondle...I mean, hug you. :hug:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 03:31 PM
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10. Shoe the mule.
:kick:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 09:31 PM
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11. K & R
I have nothing to yell about. Yet.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:52 AM
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13. Ever at the ready.
:-)
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:01 AM
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18. The day I start ranting
on you Kurovski will be the day all Republicans will startle awake from their koolaid-induced sleep and admit publicly that they are wrong on every aspect of their lives.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:43 AM
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24. Then I hope that you have occasion to yell at me very soon.
What kind of Prince Charming would it take to awaken all with a kiss?

Rush Limbaugh doesn't seem to be working out.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:35 AM
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26. See, Rush is the big one holding you back...
he is quite the toad. Good luck!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 01:59 AM
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16. "You made me love you,
I didn't wanna do it."

K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:33 PM
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19. Thanks for stopping by!
Social nicety used to disguise self-kicking of thread.

Making mental note to self to use a Swamp Rat "howdy" to kick the thread later.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:04 AM
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17. But he did.
:)



:kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:56 AM
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25. Howdy!
:kick:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:20 PM
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29. No one is begging Hillary
:)
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:43 PM
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30. Someone will be along soon to tell you they are and

why we should all bow down to her "inevitability." I hope they're ready for President Guiliani.
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