Message to Cliff May: THIS is what waterboarding looks like (WARNING: disturbing images)

[derby378]

I just saw this neo-fascist on Dan Abrams' show on MSNBC chiding Abrams and Stephanie Miller for not being able to give him a one-sentence definition of torture, from which it must follow that waterboarding is okey-dokey in a Jack Bauer/Khalid Sheikh Mohammed/24 scenario.

OK, boys and girls, let's do this one more time...



This is a picture taken by Jonah Blank of a mural depicting waterboarding that is featured at the Tuol Sleng interrogation center in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Tuol Sleng used to be a secondary school until the Khmer Rouge seized the nation in 1975 and started torturing whomever they damn well pleased in that black hole in which humanity is snuffed.

It could be argued that the Khmer Rouge learned this technique from US troops who used waterboarding on uncooperative Viet Cong sympathizers to get information out of them. Then again, you could say that we learned waterboarding from the Japanese - in 1947, Japanese military officer Yukio Asano was charged with performing a form of waterboarding on a US civilian; Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor. By an American court.

We, as Americans, do not torture. But the Bush administration does. Thanks a hell of a lot, Cliff, for helping drag the name of your nation through the gutter.

[nightrider767]

1. The Victim Is Being Drowned essentially

One of the worse ways to die.

That's something only a scumbag would do to another person.

[derby378]

2. Actually, that only simulates drowning, but THESE...

These are other water torture techniques used at Tuol Sleng by the Khmer Rouge. These run more of a risk of real drowning:





If any of you are sickened to your core by these images, you have been warned. But it also demonstrates that you still know what it means to be human, unlike the Khmer Rouge torturers.

[nightrider767]

3. I've seen pictures like these and water-boarding before

As a Navy Pilot, they showed us what we could expect. I was sickened then, as I am now.

When you lose the moral high ground, what's left to fight for....

[SeattleGirl]

4. Apparently, only Bush's "relevance."

I'm going to be sick now.

[tabasco]

13. That's right.

I thought we were the good guys.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Yep,

the beut is when people physically push head in water, requires a bathtub

Oh one of my "favorte" techniques since it leaves few marks, described by victims is the ever so popular leaving in room at oh 32 farenheit for a night or more wiht the lights on... nekkid

Hypothermia does come sooner rather than later and it is controlled so you keep on shivering for hours on end

Those folks not only are clueless, but actually I fear would enjoy doing it, their fantasies

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. And that one is mild

the one that is even worst is when the whole face and head is dunked in water for thirty seconds up to a minute

Don't ask

[Solly Mack]

7. yet some are acting as if there is a question of WB being torture

Water-boarding IS torture and ANYONE pretending otherwise is enabling torture

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. What I need to ask is why many on the right

who have never served, have a need to enable torture?

I mean this seriously... do they get a hard on?

Do they feel like better men?

And yes, there is an aspect of that in these systematic denials.

[Solly Mack]

12. I agree ...there's something more to it

[nightrider767]

8. Notice How They Hide What They Are Actually Talking About

You never see the pictures. You only hear their brief descriptions. Water dunking, stress positions, etc.

Scoundrels....

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. From having interviewed victims

what do you want to know?

Trust me... I had nightmares, still do, and I only too the data.

[mmonk]

11. Torture is intimidation, not information gathering

and there are no free democracies that sanction torture. I want to connect to the thinking of some people that believe we are still free. We are not. Our constitution was sacked. That's why I consider the republican party more than just political adversaries but real enemies and any who abide them in what they do are traitors.

[upi402]

14. Torture doesn't garner any real info

They tell you anything to make it stop.
Just makes us barbarians.

[MagickMuffin]

15. I saw that segment and want to ask Cliffie "Why don't we TRY it on YOU!"

I think that should be the tactic to use on these lovers/defenders of torture.

Well, Buddy let's just see how you like it then. Let's see if you have a different point of view, after wards.
I don't think he would want to volunteer. It would be interesting to hear his excuses for not wanting try it.

I had to mute that asshole after while. He is a disgusting man.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. The fact that we even have to DEBATE whether it is "American" to torture people is an indication

of how low this gang has dragged this country.

This is America. We don't torture.

[alfredo]

17. From the inquisition

[Mika]

18. Shock doctrine

www.shockdoctrine.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc

[alfredo]

19. This quote

"Hot tip: Invest in 'Disaster Capitalism.' This new investment sector is the core of the emerging "new economy" that generates profits by feeding off other peoples' misery: Wars, terror attacks, natural catastrophes, poverty, trade sanctions, market crashes and all kinds of economic, financial and political disasters."
- Paul B. Farrell, Dow Jones Business News

Another quote:


“Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the Nation, while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains.” Abraham Lincoln 1863