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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:19 PM
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Don't Fire Until You See The Whites of Their Eyes - Lower Polls Now are Part of Edwards' Strategy
At the Battle of Bunker Hill in the Revolutionary War, Colonel William Prescott commanded his troops "Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes."

This rallying cry was a reminder to the troops that when the opponent is charging, do not waste your ammunition by firing at them when they are still out of range.

This history lesson lies at the heart of the Edwards campaign strategy.

For the primary campaign, Hillary has $35 million on hand, Obama has $32 million on hand, and Edwards has $12.4 million.

In the broader historical context of past elections, if you exclude Obama's and Hillary's record shattering fund-raising this cycle, Edwards fund-raising is at a record breaking pace.

In the context of the current election, Edwards has more cash-on-hand than ANY of the Republicans and more than twice as much as Richardson (the Democrat with the next most cash on hand) and more cash on hand than the combined amounts of Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, and Gravel added together.

Knowing that Edwards has third most cash of all candidates in both parties, look at the evidence that Edwards is prudently waiting for the right time to launch his television ad campaign as reflected in most recent tally of the candidates' advertising:



In Iowa, Edwards has been focused on organization rather than advertising. So far, Hillary has run 37 times as many ads as Edwards, Obama has run 90 times as many ads as Edwards, Richardson has run 116 times as many ads, Biden has run 15 times as many ads, and Dodd has run 50 times as many ads.

You might ask, why is Edwards keeping his powder dry even when the poll numbers of most heavily advertising candidates are rising relative the Edwards' polling numbers?

Edwards learned from the 2004 Iowa caucus where Dean and Gephardt peaked too early and were already falling by the night of the caucus. Prior experience shows that most Iowa caucus participants will fluctuate in which candidate they prefer between now and the conclusion of the caucus. As the American Prospect recently reminded us, "less than a week before the 2004 caucuses, a Gallup press release averred, 'the contest for the Democratic nomination right now is becoming more of a two-man race between Dean and retired Gen. Wesley Clark.'"

Edwards is doing what he should be doing right now: Edwards is focusing on building his organization and on his ground campaign while the others focus on running ads.

While the other candidates are running 37 times as many ads, 90 times as many ads, and 116 times as many ads, those candidates' polling numbers will rise in relation to Edwards' numbers. That's normal and predictable and nothing to be alarmed about.

Edwards will suffer lower polling numbers now because he won't fire his television ads when the target is out of range. Because his experience in 2004, Edwards knows that it is better to peak on caucus day rather than peaking in October or November or December.

Edwards will run his television spots, and his numbers will surge as a result, but Edwards is timing his shift from emphasizing retail work on his organization to wholesale advertising so that he peaks at the right moment.

Keep the faith that a candidate with the most progressive agenda among the top tier candidates will be at the top of the field on the morning after the Iowa caucus.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:24 PM
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1. If Gore does not run,
Edwards has my vote.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:50 PM
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8. I suspect many Gore supporters feel that way.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:25 PM
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14. I do. nt
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:55 PM
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24. Hell, I may support Edwards even if Gore does run
I like what Edwards has to say on poverty, and I suspect that he's to the left of Gore on many issues. We'll see.

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PollThis Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 05:34 PM
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35. I think Gore is getting ready to come out in support of Edwards. nt
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:28 PM
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15. best available white guy? (n/t)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:54 PM
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23. why do you bring up race and gender? Best available candidate.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:55 PM
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33. How 'bout most electable progressive candidate? (n/t)
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:24 PM
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38. that voted for the war
how is he more progressive than obama?
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:47 PM
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39. If we disqualify everyone who voted for the war, we cut off 90% of the party. Edwards admits error
on this vote, and he did so early, and that is just going to have to be good enough for me.

If you find a way how we can nominate and then elect pro-peace Kucinich, I'll be the first to contribute to that effort.

How is Edwards more progressive than Obama? That's a tough question for me because I like Obama very much and I much prefer Obama over Hillary, Biden, or Richardson, who are all less progressive than Obama.

If I had to say where Edwards barely beats out Obama in my mind, it would be:

1. Edwards' health care plan is universal, Obama's isn't.

2. Edwards would tie Iraq war funding to a timetable to bring our troops home, Obama wouldn't.

3. I was disappointed in Obama's vote for Bush's Energy Policy Act of 2005 which weakened safety and environmental protections like the Safe Drinking Water Act.

4. I was disappointed in Obama's vote for the ironically named "The Class Action Fairness Act" which overturned laws the protect consumers and workers, guarantee civil rights, and promote product safety.

5. I was disappointed that Obama only got a "C" grade on protecting the middle class from the Drum Major Institute.

6. In Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope, I didn't like the theme illustrated by these three quotes: (a) "I also think my party can be smug, detached, and dogmatic at times. I believe in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship, and think no small number of government programs don’t work as advertised..." (b) "We Democrats are just, well, confused. There are those who still champion the old-time religion, defending every New Deal and Great Society program from Republican encroachment, achieving ratings of 100 percent from the liberal interest groups ..." (c) "That Reagan’s message found such a receptive audience spoke not only to his skills as a communicator; it also spoke to the failures of liberal government..."


There are also many issues where I really like Obama, and I'd be happy to see him get the nomination, but since you asked why I think Edwards is more progressive, these are my thoughts on that question.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:54 PM
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22. Yep.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:24 PM
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2. Very interesting analysis. Thanks.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:26 PM
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3. I kind of expected this to be a face-saving exercise on Edward's part
But that's pretty believable actually. Certainly since I like Edwards, something I'm happy to see.

Bryant
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:42 PM
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7. This is not from the campaign. I'm a Kucinich supporter, but I hope we nominate the most progressive
candidate possible.

After Kucinich, I consider Edwards the most progressive and since I recognize that Dennis is unlikely to win the nomination, I'd like to see Edwards' progressive agenda prevail over Hillary's agenda (I'd also be relatively please with an Obama nomination).

I mention all of this to confirm that I have no intention or motive to promote face saving for any campaign.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:46 PM
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20. Probably the least objectionable post I've seen about the race.
Kucinich would certainly bring some justice back to this country. And probably Edwards, also.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:28 PM
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4. Interesting analysis. nt
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:28 PM
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5. K & R ! Good Analysis, Sound Theory....
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:33 PM
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6. Intelligence, that is what pulled him up by the boot strap.
INTELLIGENCE....is what brought Bill Clinton and what is now going to bring Edwards. Oh yes it is!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 02:51 PM
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9. "while the others focus on running ads"
I think this is an assumption. Obama's effort on the ground is as strong as anyone.

http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/content/iowahome (Iowa Headquarter page on his website)

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/obamas_field_offices_laying_gr.html (Obama's field offices laying groundwork in Iowa)

BTW, I also like Edwards.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:17 PM
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11. I don't mean to suggest
that Obama doesn't have a ground campaign.

What I mean is that Edwards is focusing on getting his message out retail style, voter-by-voter and one-on-one.

Obama is probably doing this, too, but my point is that Obama has already shifted to the phase of his campaign where his primary mode of contact with the voters is through his advertising. Edwards has not shifted to that phase of his campaign.

From a strategic and tactical perspective, I see how heavily Richardson has already advertised, for example, and I wonder if he's not at risk of having over-exposed himself to the voters long before caucus night.

I presume Edwards' television spots will be a little fresher for the Iowa audience because he's not going into heavy rotation until closer to the caucus.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:35 PM
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19. "primary mode of contact with the voters is through his advertising"
Again, I think you're wrong to assume that he can't multi-task. It is possible to advertise and get out the vote one-by-one. Obama is doing both. He hasn't shifted from one thing to another. He's communicating with the voter in many different ways.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 05:13 PM
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34. By "primary mode" I mean more voters see his face and hear his voice in a TV spot than see him live.
I don't assume Obama can't multi-task. In fact, I am 100% certain that the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review can multi-task. I'm sure Obama is meeting people face-to-face and I'm sure people are seeing his TV spots. When I say "primary mode of contact" I am referring to the mode of contact where he touches more voters on a given day, which for Obama in Iowa I suspect that's TV advertising. I don't mean that as some kind slur. I suspect that for Edwards in New Hampshire I suspect that TV advertising the mode of contact where he touches most voters on a given day.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:03 PM
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10. Interesting spin. He's in 4th (behind a guy not running) on purpose??
That's an interesting strategy! :rofl:
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:25 PM
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13. The point is he has the funds to be running wall-to-wall TV ads which would boost his poll numbers,
but it appears that he is refraining from doing so for strategic or tactical reasons.

In light of how things played out in 2004, it looks like that may well be a clever plan.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:33 PM
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18. Well if we are going to include people not running, HRC and BO are running way behind....
Sometimes the absolute lunacy exhibited here makes me laugh.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:52 PM
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21. What poll has HRC/BO behind Gore? Gore's at 15-20%.
Facts:
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm
(to counter the usual DU lunacy...)
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:10 PM
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26. Hate to break it to you --- GORE IS AT 0% --HE IS NOT RUNNING....eom
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:13 PM
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27. You're polling at 100% on backpeddaling - a new world record!!
:rofl:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:27 PM
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31. Just pointing out lunacy when I see it.... are you including the Easter Bunny too?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:39 PM
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32. He's polling in 4th place, behind Gore, not the Easter Bunny.
So, where's these polls you where you claim Gore is ahead of "HRC and BO"?
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 05:50 PM
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37. By the same "look! look! here's a POLL!" logic, Obama is tied with Jesus but still 10% behind Bush
Here's a report of the Ipsos/AP/AOL poll:

DULLES, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--A new poll from The Associated Press ... Bush ... claimed the top spot when Americans were asked to name the year’s biggest hero, but with only a trifling 13% of the vote. The troops in Iraq came in second (6%), followed by Jesus Christ (3%), Barack Obama (3%), Oprah Winfrey (3%), and rock star/philanthropist Bono (2%). Other “do-gooders” of 2006, receiving 1% each, included luminaries, business leaders and politicos such as Warren Buffett, George Clooney, Bill Gates, Al Gore, Billy Graham, Angelina Jolie, Colin Powell, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Condoleeza Rice.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:57 PM
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25. There's such a thing as peaking too early.
Ask Howard Dean.

The only person who needs to spend money to stay in 1st is Hillary. The only thing she has going for her is that people think she's a winnah.

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:23 PM
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12. I'm in Iowa, and pretty much surmised that this was the strategy
as I've seen virtually no advertising on his part. On the other hand, we're getting flooded by ads for the others, especially Hillary, Obama, and Richardson. Interesting that Edwards is spending a fair amount of money in N.H., though.

Kerry was really viewed as an also-ran in the days leading to the caucus in '04, with most of his serious supporters saying "Wait until New Hampshire...that's where our strength is."
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:30 PM
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17. I think there may be 2 reasons why he has moderate ad buys in NH and virtually no ads in Iowa
First, since NH is a primary state, ground organization is less important than in Iowa and mass-market advertising is more effective in NH because about five times as many NH voters participate in its primary as compared to the percentage of the Iowa population which participates in the caucus.

Second, historically, the winner in Iowa usually gets about a 15% bump. Perhaps Edwards feels the need to mass-market advertise in NH to be abe to stay close enough to Hillary that a post-Iowa bump will be enough to catch her.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:26 PM
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29. That makes a lot of sense - I didn't really think about the
difference between the percentage in participation between a primary and a caucus! Voting in a primary takes 10 minutes or so out of your day, while you more or less need to set aside 2-3 hours of the evening for a caucus, so it's much more about the "party faithful"...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:29 PM
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16. Where's Texas? n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:16 PM
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28. Love it.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:27 PM
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30. Hope you're right.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 05:36 PM
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36. Good logic for Edwards staff.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 08:17 PM
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40. Gives me some hope
Thanks for the intelligent analysis of the campaign strategy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 08:44 PM
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41. Yeah, it's who you want for a LEADER,
not who has the most gold coins in their treasure chest.

I admire John Edwards, immensely, for having the capability of evo-lution.
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