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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:24 PM
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Regarding the "Clinton bucks the trend rakes in cash from weapons industry" threads
Edited on Fri Oct-19-07 03:30 PM by MethuenProgressive
All these thread posted today, with the same subject line?
Reading the content linked to, it shows that industry workers have donated less than 50 thousand dollars to Sen. Clinton. It shows that Sen. Obama has received more money from this group than any of the Republican candidates.
That hardly makes them "war mongers" or "in the pocket of Arms Dealers" or any of the other hyperbole and rants posted in response to all those flame bait OP subject lines.
Folks, all I'm saying is read deeper than the subject line. Please, for your sake and ours.

edit: adding link to the UK story they're using:
"Clinton bucks the trend and rakes in cash from the US weapons industry"
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article3075691.ece
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:26 PM
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1. The haters posted the same tripe at least 10 times today.
They are nothing, if not redundant
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:27 PM
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2. My biggest disappointment - DU'ers (some) don't read past headlines.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:31 PM
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4. That just makes them like 75% of Americans.
Hm.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:28 PM
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3. um ... isn't your plea
a bit off the "official DU talking points" regarding Queen Hillary? Okay, to make it easier, try and remember this: everything Obama does = Good ... okay? And everything Hillary does = Very Bad (or corporate shill war monger works, too).

It's just much easier if we all think -- and hate -- alike, you know? And those pesky facts and statistics? Ignore 'em. They don't quite work with what we're supposed to believe.

:sarcasm:
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:33 PM
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5. I've been sitting here reading since about ten am
and I can recall seeing a thread about Hill inc. and
defense contributions once, maybe twice.
I may be wrong but I dont think so.

Is this a sore spot with you guys?
Your discomfort seems to be a bit over-blown.
Just askin.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:44 PM
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6. So you've seen at least the 3 or 4 that made it to the Greatest page
I know pointing out the usual pattern is a sore point the Usuals.
Fact is, there's no 'there', there.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:31 PM
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10. All those threads??????
Ok so I took a look at the greatest page.
All the way at the bottom of the page is a thread about Hill inc. taking money
from the arms industry.
ONE thread.
It had a whole whopping six recommendations. Six! can you believe it?
The other two that I say about Hill's cash were one about her "rural Americans for hillary"
fundraiser (with monsanto) and another about the Asian guy who was raising cash for Dems.
All those in a whole twenty four hours! holy smack, I think your right.
people around here (the usuals) really do have it out for her.

Like I said, your post is a bit over blown.
Then again, what do I know?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:58 PM
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11. here's links to three from the Greatest page:
Clinton bucks the trend and rakes in cash from the US weapons industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2082856
17 recs

Clinton bucks the trend and rakes in cash from the US weapons industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3622535
13 recs

Clinton bucks the trend and rakes in cash from the US weapons industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2088089
10 recs

I'll send you the bill for doing your research for you...
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 03:58 PM
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7. Why is Hillary taking any money from the Weapons industry???
....crickets......
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:04 PM
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8. Same reason Barack Obama did - it's from workers.
Read deeper than the OP subject line.
Learn more.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 04:24 PM
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9. Funny this isn't getting scores of recs to the Greatest page, isn't it?
Edited on Fri Oct-19-07 04:25 PM by MethuenProgressive
Facts are never as exciting as the wild, baseless rants...
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 05:26 PM
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12. OK if it makes you feel better
Rec.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:26 PM
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13. Probably because it's old news.
Edited on Fri Oct-19-07 06:28 PM by emilyg
tried rec. 2x -
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:10 AM
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14. There is no misunderstanding (edited)
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 11:26 AM by AtomicKitten
Hillary received the most of ANY candidate from weapons manufacturers.

She also received more from the weapons industry workers who are probably looking out for their jobs. ($50K to Obama's $10K).

Obama received more money (second to Ron Paul) from military personnel.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:12 AM
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15. That is equally wrong.
The 50k/10k figures are donations from the workers.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:16 AM
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16. Hillary received more from both weapons manufacturers AND the workers.
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 11:23 AM by AtomicKitten
'kay?
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:23 AM
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17. ...what do you mean by
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 11:24 AM by Rhythm and Blue
"You have already declared that these people are all Republicans?" I don't recall saying anything like that.

Hillary received more money from the employees of weapons manufacturers than Obama did. That's all I said. That's all I meant. And my "guy" in this race is Richardson.

(I haven't seen a single figure for donations by the weapons manufacturers themselves. Link?)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:34 AM
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18. on review, you actually said all military personnel are Republicans
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 11:36 AM by AtomicKitten
Clinton got $50,000 from the employees of weapons manufacturers. Obama got $10k from them. Obama, however, does far outpace her (and all viable Republicans) in donations from members of the military; apparently in a brainfreeze I conflated the two. I apologize for my incorrect characterization earlier
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3626638


I don't necessarily agree with that; I think the people involved (workers, military personnel) are voting (with their donations) for what they perceive to be in their best interest ... the workers want their jobs and the soldiers want to come home.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:38 AM
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20. Um, no. I have no idea how you could possibly read that sentence to mean that.
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 11:38 AM by Rhythm and Blue
Allow me to try again:

Obama outpaces Senator Clinton and all viable Republicans in donations from members of the military. Obama outpaces Senator Clinton in donations from members of the military. Obama also outpaces all viable Republican candidates (that is, excluding Ron Paul) in donations from members of the military.

I really don't see how you could construe that sentence to mean members of the military are all Republican.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:44 AM
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21. thanks for clarifying
The sentence structure was a bit tweaked and I haven't had enough caffeine yet to correctly discern what you were trying to say. D'oh! I appreciate the clarification.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:38 AM
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19. She should return the money, IMHO.
It tends to create the appearance of a conflict of interest, especially at a time when most Americans want nothing to do with the Iraq War any longer.
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