"If we leave [Iraq], they will follow us home."

[hiaasenrocks]

Why would anyone fall for this line of bullshit?

It assumes that we'll have to stay in Iraq until every last terrorist on the planet is dead, because, presumably, we'll leave at some point, right? And if they're not all dead, couldn't those who are still alive follow us home at that point?

Oh, maybe they mean they won't follow us if we achieve "victory." Aside from the fact that no one can really define what victory in Iraq would look like, are we to assume from the "follow us home" talking point that those who are still alive will just give up their desire to attack the US? If you're a terrorist, what would stop you from attacking the country that "defeated" your people and went home? What would stop you from fulfilling a centuries-old desire to kill infidels? That is, if their other talking about about them wanting to kill us all is true.

It also assumes that they can't/won't attack us while we're fighting in Iraq. Bush's supporters will point to the fact that we haven't been attacked on US soil since 9/11. Guess what? We weren't attacked on US soil between 2/26/93 and 9/11/01. Eight and a half years without an attack. But we were attacked again. So what's the significance of our not being attacked on US soil for just over five years? Do these people not understand that it's quite typical to go many years between large-scale attacks? That's just the way this network operates. Bush's supporters are either stupid for not understanding this, or they're fogging the lens of recent history to suit their political agenda.

This lie is getting people killed, and we're living in a country where people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Infuriating.

[hippiechick]

1. See the GD threads on the Talking Points ...

... they're just spewing what they've been told to spew (probably by Darth Cheney) ... one can never actually expect Republicans or their true-beleivers to make SENSE when they open their mouths ...

:spank:

[frogcycle]

4. same idiots

who babbled "cut and run" and "stay the course" until they were told to switch to "embolden the enemy"

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. It's quite a different story than the one about disarming old madman Saddam

isn't it? All along this was the plan, once they got us in there, there would always be some reason to stay.

[hiaasenrocks]

6. Absolutely. Good point. n/t

[frogcycle]

3. i choose b

a: stupid for not understanding this

b: they're fogging the lens of recent history to suit their political agenda

[hiaasenrocks]

7. It's a tough decision. LOL n/t

[redqueen]

5. Thay'd rather not admit they were played for fools.

If they'd stop being so defensive about being played for fools, transparent BS like that wouldn't work.

Unfortunately, ...

[hiaasenrocks]

8. I agree. This might not sit well with some, but...

my approach with war supporters who waiver (including my father) has been to welcome them to "our side." I don't berate them or even hint at "I told you so" type comments. I've found that this makes it easier for them to come out of the shadows and admit they were wrong.

It's hard to restrain myself sometimes, but it's worth it. :)

[ProfessorGAC]

9. On The "5 Years vs. 8 Years" Thing

That boils my blood too. My answer has been that "we went 8 years between attacks and you guys said either Clinton did NOTHING, or did EVERYTHING WRONG! So, how can 5 years be proof that a policy is working when doing NOTHING gave us 8 years?"

That usually shuts them up.
The Professor

[patrice]

10. It really is hard to beieve that people could be sooooooooooo Stupid!

Or believe so completely that their ends justifies ANY means, including chasing these people all over the world and starting wars wherever we decide to in order to accomplish the ONLY thing that would actually work according to their line of reasoning - Genocide.

This IS actually what they intend. :wow: Shockingly crazy isn't it!

Death and Destruction embolden and MOTIVATE those who intend to become tribal heroes or religious martyrs. Strategic alternatives are disincentives to them, because they don't fit their concepts of themselves or others.

[alfredo]

11. the Vietnamese did! Now they are doctors, businessmen,

teachers, home makers, chefs. So folks it is clear that we have to stay in Iraq until every person who has ever said a cross word about us is dead or in Gitmo.

[EFerrari]

12. It's their authoritarian appeal to xenophobia.

They talk down to their base, which is just how that base likes to be talked to.

It's creepy as hell.

[A Simple Game]

13. "they will follow us home."

What's the matter, they don't have a map? They can't find America if no one shows them where it is?

What a bunch of idiots. The terrorist have no options? They must stay in or go to Iraq and fight with heavily armed and armored(hopefully) American troops, rather than go to America and kill unarmed and unsuspecting American civilians? I know what my choice would be if I were in their position. That and we have strip clubs! That's where you go to check out your 72 virgins, isn't it?

[Little Wing]

14. Cubans can't even float 100 miles, how are Iraqis supposed to do it?

[Done]

15. That's what a puppy would do... nt