A person used to love to come to DU

[Bitwit1234]

Before the 2006 election and after I couldn't wait to get to DU in the morning. You got post about what happened in this country. What the republicans were doing. How come you couldn't get Pelosi to end the war.

The information you got here, you got no where else. The MSM didn't tell you.

But since Hillary is kicking Obama butt all you see is just about every other post a bash Hillary thread. I am so upset. So upset that these used to be good posters can't get their mind off bashing Hillary. They can't give us news and opinions any more.

I admit I fire back and make ridicule but I do it to try to show the hate posters how they look. Obama is a good man. He MIGHT have good ideas, but you would never know it. The people who are supporting him, instead of giving us his good points, which certainly might help us support him, bash and post hate Hillary ads.

THAT SURE AS HELL IS GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND. In fact they are so vile so hateful, I am now starting to leave Edwards, who I know in my heart is the one one who can really beat the republicans at their own game, and turn in sympathy to Hillary. Because she sure as hell must be some girl to get the Obama supporters, WHO USED TO BE INFORMATIVE POSTERS, TO POST SUCH HATE MESSAGES.

[Forkboy]

1. If you're foolish enough to base your vote on supporters actions it's your own failing.

Don't blame DU.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. perfect reply

are we just herd animals, or were we given brains so we could think for ourselves?

[Vanje]

5. Exactly

Also I've seen this OP dish it plenty .

Someone shits in the swimming pool, then runs out screaming, because the pool has shit in it.

[daninthemoon]

3. You could post the exact same message with the two names

reversed. There are many posts going both ways each and every day. Soooooo, support Dennis Kucinich and end the war and have a non-pandering president who always makes sense and has a completely principled, non-corporate stand.:patriot: :applause: :woohoo:

[ret5hd]

4. Oh that's EXACTLY what i would do...

Dump the guy i know is best and go with someone else because a third-parties remarks made me mad.
:sarcasm:

(let us know how this has worked for you in other areas of your life. really. i mean it.)

[durrrty libby]

6. Don't let the jackasses bother you. Just laugh at them and move on

Seriously, life is too short


:party: :toast: :hi:

[Blue-Jay]

8. OK!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[emilyg]

48. I found "Ignore". Life-saver.

[madokie]

7. why I don't understand is why not just ignore what is of no interest to one

I do it all the time and I feel no less informed for it either. but thats just me ;-)

first thing in the mornings I come here to see what I missed while I was sleeping, plus that way I can see what my local rag isn't printing for my neighbors to read so I can go through my day not being mad at them for being themselves uninformed, many try but the info isn't on the teevee or in our printed papers and so many have no internets.

[AndyA]

9. Don't let what a particular candidate's supporters post here influence you.

For all you know, some of them could be paid by the various campaigns to do it.

Do your own research, form your own opinions, vote the way your heart tells you to vote. For me, Kucinich best fits my ideals and dreams for this country, but I just don't see him as standing a chance at the nomination.

I don't know if it's the finances, or what, but I just don't think he can do it, so I chose Edwards because he seems to be the furthest from the corporate America that I feel has caused us so many of the problems we face today. And they are attacking him, so he surely must be doing something they don't like, which has got to be good for the rest of the country.

I will vote for whichever Dem candidate gets the nomination, but until then I continue to research, ask questions, and try to keep my mind open.

You might find this will work best for you as well.

[Mountainman]

10. Sorry that you feel that way because I do too. If you are like me you just ignore those posts or

just let them go. This sure use to be a much better board before!

[seemslikeadream]

11. Zan is gone now maybe that will be of help to you

[hootinholler]

37. Zan is gone?

:Green-Bouncy-Thing-O-Joy:

That took a while.

-Hoot

[seemslikeadream]

43. Behold the tombstone!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=200851

[Blaze Diem]

12. Agreed, and its the same hate-speak used by the likes of Rushbots.

Its the nonstop bantor that goes on in multiposted threads. Folks, its a long way till next November and I see this same stubborn refusal to actually discuss points of difference repeated daily. The bashing of everything about a candidate with nothing positive to say. Sounds more like a Limbjob radio spiel than any sign of the open minds I am accustomed to finding here on DU.

Freedom to post the questions or positives about your own candidate is fine, its the hate filled response to such a post thats making Du an uncomfortable place to visit most days.

Expressing the negatives of our own in such a way isolates rather than unifies us against the biggest problem facing all of us. How do we dismantle the Bushocracy.

Don't know what to do to diminish the problem you refer to, Bitwit1234, but I pretty much just try to ignore the dem candidate bashing posts since they have realy become a bit vile for even a seasoned old geezer like me.

Maybe we need a "What I really HATE about your dem candidate" thread. Keep these posts in one place, go there if you need to.

Seems trivial when one considers the larger looming issues ahead for this beaten down nation.

[bobbolink]

45. "its the same hate-speak used by the likes of Rushbots."

That's where we need to look at ourselves.... we're doing the same things, and yet thinking that our shit stinks better.

:crazy:

[Blaze Diem]

47. Freepers would be pleased with the self-loathing posts on DU.

hey'd be pleased also with the fact that our nastiness is directed within our own group.
Takes the focus off Bush, and with the master of hate in our White House, our eyes need to be kept on the next slight-of-hand maneuver by Bushco.
We all have seen how nicely the fox painted the front door of the hen house, and while many stood in admiration of the fox's handiwork, he emptied the house of the barnyard's best and brightest through the backdoor.

ok, its not an old fable, I just made it up.
Bush is a danger to humanity in every single policy he puts forth.
There is no negative/positive balance with him.
He and his minions are driven only by greed and profit for themselves.
They have no conscience as to who who or how many suffer in the wake of fulfilling their unbending doctrine of heirachy.

[bobbolink]

49. When you can't look at your own self, there is no growth.

Self awareness is crucial.

It's freepers who can't look at their own foibles.

Surely that's not who you want to emulate.

[Bumblebee]

13. Ditto. Hate unites and hate divides. Hate also corrupts. When we all hated

the same people -- Bush, Cheney, Rove -- it was a great therapeutic thing for us all. Now, you are right, when I read Hillary-bashing posts (which I do try to avoid but sometimes the topic lines are misleading) I feel I am among the freepers, not people who are largely of the same political and ideological mindset I am. I am also now between Edwards and Clinton (and therefore supporting no one) and soured on Edwards precisely at the moment that he (and Elizabeth) started bashing Clinton not always for her policies but for unfair -- innuendoish -- kind of things. I am still withholding my support for her in the primaries because I did not like her vote on Iran, and I don't think I would be able to support her if this vote leads to Bush and Cheney using it as excuse to attack Iran without further discussion in Congress (which I think it will). She should know better by now. But this is based on something real, not the visceral -- and often sexist -- rants that we all too often encounter on DU these days.

[renie408]

14. You don't think that the reason Hillary is not lauded here might have to do with

the fact that she is the big DLC candidate? Look around. It ain't just Obama people hammering on her. People here don't like her primarily for her DLC connections, it seems to me.

[Bumblebee]

17. No, I don't think so. It goes much deeper than that. I am not an Obama

supporter but when I heard about his tour with the anti-gay/"cured ex-gay" gospel singer, as much as it enraged me, I told myself to calm down and wait to see how the story turns out in the end; whether he says something to explain his decision or denounce it, even if a bit late. I did not jump at the opportunity to bash him -- because I do not feel like bashing him! I am perfectly prepared to vote for him if he is our nominee. And this is a much larger story than Socks! I am a cat lover, have two of my own, but this story, and posting it here was RIDICULOUS. I knew at the time that they were leaving Socks with Betty -- and there were reasons for that, and it was not like they made the cat homeless and deprived of love!

[katmondoo]

15. I was thinking the same thing this morning

but afraid to post it knowing I could get badly beaten up. I really am chicken. Good for you Bitwit

[Rhythm and Blue]

16. Despite what Hill-bashers say, this is true.

By bashing her, they play the game of polarization. The problem with this, however, is that she has an 80% favorable rating among Democrats. Making the primary a referendum on Hillary is a recipe for a Hillary landslide, guys. Here's a great idea:

INSTEAD OF POSTING SHIT ABOUT SOCKS THE CAT, EXPLAIN WHY YOUR CANDIDATE IS GOOD. AND NOT JUST "BETTER THAN HILLARY," BUT INSTEAD WHY WE SHOULD BE GLAD TO VOTE FOR THEM.

[Beelzebud]

18. They should be charged with hate crimes for their hate messages.

Attacking hillary clinton is right up there with the atrocities of Nazi Germany or the genocide of the native americans.

[Bumblebee]

20. Your sarcasm is very poorly exercised in this instance. It would be so

much better used for true enemy -- but that's the point, isn't it? Some of us no longer know how to distinguish who is enemy and who is not...

[Beelzebud]

22. Not loving Hillary doesn't make one the enemy.

This is a primary season, if politics is too icky for you, maybe you should sit on the sidelines until the primary winner is chosen.

[hfojvt]

19. That sounds so much like what THEY said about Bush

That it was all about the hate.

But which came first, the lies and horrible policies, or the hate?

DUers have been against the war since at least January of 2002 (the Axis of Evil SOTU). Up until six months ago or so, Hillary was on the other side, and, like Kerry, she does not call her IWR vote a mistake. Even now.

Granted, alot of anti-Hillary rants seem to lack substance, but so do alot of pro-Hillary barbs. I guess if Hillary cannot be defended, at least the HHHers can be attacked, and told to shut up, shut up, shut up.

I posted what I consider to be a substantive criticism of Hillary's "retirement accounts" and it was widely ignored. Just like Edwards is widely ignored now. If Hillary is bashed, for example, the thread about Socks the cat, that kinda looks like a molehill. There were far, far, far more threads about Edwards' house, and Edwards' haircut, and even Edwards' investments, compared to ONE thread about Socks, half the posts of which were attacking the OP for posting such a stupid story.

I think I see as many "stop bashing Hillary" and "you have to vote for Hillary in the general" threads or posts as I do Hillary bashing, but that may just be because I am an HHHer.

[Rhythm and Blue]

24. And judging by the fact that Bush won twice,

I'd think more people would have learned that letting yourself get suckered into the polarization game against a candidate with high favorables (especially among their base) is a recipe for a loss.

[robinlynne]

Bush lost twice. wake up. stolen elections are the reality here.

[Rhythm and Blue]

29. The reality is that Bush is in the White House, and has been for two terms.

Cry about "stolen elections" all you want (and FWIW, he did steal FL), but realistically it shouldn't have been remotely that close either time. Bush is an incompetent, stupid, lazy frat boy. Gore and Kerry were both strong candidates. And we played into Rove's hands both elections. Whether you believe OH was "stolen" or not, he still won the 2004 popular vote by three million--which is pretty much what pre-election polling predicted he would do.. And regardless of the Supreme Court, butterfly ballots, or voter purging, 2000 was down to the wire, and it should have been a Gore landslide. We played stupid politics both times. And try to tell me about faked polls and diebold and what have you, but the same polls and same machines gave us a Democratic sweep in 2006.

Go ahead and bash Hillary all you like. Make the election a referendum on her. But given her favorable ratings among Democrats, you'll be whining about another "corporate stolen election" after Iowa, NH, and SC.

[robinlynne]

33. It wasn't that close. And I don't believe it was stolen. I am quite positive both were stolen.

The Florida votes were recounted by the University of Chicago. They used every possible method of counting, and Gore won EVERY TIME. If you take right-wing spin, and believe it, and act accordingly, you will come up with strategies which do not fit reality.

I met a precinct captain in Florida, at my aunt and uncle's anniversary party. I asked her. She said her precinct alone was enough to give Gore the presidency. One precinct. But the Republicans stopped the count. Because it probably was a landslide.

[MH1]

40. 2000 was absolutely, provably stolen.

2004 was stolen by less provable means, but still stolen.

[MH1]

39. You mean, "unlike Kerry".

Kerry renounced his IWR vote quite some time ago and on multiple occasions.

(Do I really need to go find a link? It's been posted quite a bit.)

[EFerrari]

21. I love coming to DU. n/t

[countingbluecars]

23. Your words

"But since Hillary is kicking Obama butt..." Kinda sounds like you enjoy a good argument.

[bpeale]

25. sympathy? this is a stupid waste of a vote IMO

[NMMNG]

26. Um, how many Bash Obama threads have you started?

Pot, meet kettle.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

27. How about

all the Hillarious people and the Obamaniacs come together and compromise?

Why not support the only person running for President who has been consistently correct about the war, about trade, about healthcare, about labor, about immigration about Bush and Cheney, about EVERYTHING. Why not support a person who's been involved in public service longer than Senators Clinton and Obama combined? Why not support the only candidate who represents the Democratic Party envisioned by the likes of FDR and JFK?

In other words, why not support Dennis Kucinich?


On Edit: extraneous consonant

[seabeyond]

28. i dont like hillary, dont want her pres, dont trust her. AND i do NOT

go onto threads for hillary and bash her. i dont see that productive at all and not my way. if she is the one to win the primary i will be disappointed, and i will vote for her.

i got tired of it when so many did it to kerry with everything. even the many times he was doing good or right, they wouls still come on thread to mouth off about him

[Gregorian]

30. Why isn't anyone bashing Kucinich?

And I'm not trying to be a smarty. I haven't done my homework on the other candidates.

[seabeyond]

31. cause he doesnt have a chance so there is no need. would be a

waste of time. only go for the leaders. the ones that have a possibility of winning

[progressoid]

32. That was last month.

[kster]

34. We need to join in to try and draft Al Gore, if for

nothing else than to try and get a candidate that is a chosen by the people not Corporate America. Yes I know drafting Al Gore is a uphill battle but all the other candidates where picked by corporate which makes them corporate toadies.

Join hands for Al Gore and fight the corporate selected candidates until we know for sure that Gore is not going to jump in, then we can go back to debating about the corporate candidates.

Lets fight to get a candidate that is chosen by We the People.

My Two Cents

:)

[Hawkowl]

35. Agreed!

Also, I think they people who would bash Al Gore would only be rethuglicans. He can be the candidate that actually unifies the party.

[shadowknows69]

36. it's a lost battle

theres like 10 days for him to file isn't there?

[kster]

44. Then we have ten days to send a strong message

to the corporations and their corporate selected toadies. Lets fight them not each other for the next ten days.



:)

[hootinholler]

38. I'm confused, who are we supposed to bash on this thread?

:shrug:

-Hoot

[renie408]

41. When in doubt, bash Nancy Pelosi. She is always a safe bet. n/t

[Kolesar]

46. belly laugh

:lol: -> :depression:

[Blaze Diem]

42. Adolf Bush..er, I mean a dolt named Bush

mass murderer, genocidal jokster who laughs at human suffering.
cuz he's always been a cocky little a-hole, inferior soul-less stupid fuck who needs to be contained in a prison cell for eternity.
He'll burn in hell fo rthe 600,000 murdered Iraqi innocents. Prescott's most evil DNA all clumped together in one freak of nature.

but that's just my opinion today.