Dylan sells out...Again!!

[ben_meyers]

I have forgiven the electric guitar, but this has to be over the line! Endorsing an evil SUV?


http://www.startribune.com/localmusic/story/1500302.html

[Taverner]

1. "Just because you like my music doesn't mean I owe you anything"

:P

[mod mom]

5. or FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT I NEED MORE MONEY!

Sorry...no excuse. Despicable.

[LanternWaste]

17. I hate to agree with you...

I hate to agree with you, but yeah-- he's got no excuse on this one.

(I don't hate agreeing with you specifically-- it's that I hate feeling screwed by Dylan on this...) :crazy:

[DangerDave921]

86. You know what?

If Toyota or Dodge or Chevy came to me and offered me $1 million to appear in an ad for an SUV, I would do it in a heart beat. And so would 99% of the rest of you.

[SmokingJacket]

99. But if a person already has a jillion dollars, it's a wee bit different.

It's one thing to sell your soul to pay for your kids' college, quite another to add gold to the teetering pile.

[DangerDave921]

104. LOL

Good point.

Maybe Bobby D. has spent a lot of the money he earned in the 60's and 70's, and he needs to replenish the vault.

[jefferson_dem]

107. If he cared anything about what "the public" thought...

he would've hung it up back in '65.

JUDAS!

[spanone]

2. he wrote some of the greatest songs of our era.....i will always respect him for his talent

[Gato Moteado]

13. he was a great poet.....i'm not sure i buy into the meme that....

...he wrote some of the greatest songs of our era.

to me there's more to a song than just the words.

the beatles.....now they wrote some of the greatest songs of our era.

[speedoo]

19. "was a great poet"........????

He still is. Still writing great songs, much better songs than McCartney is writing today IMO.

And there's a very good chance that some of your favorite Beatles songs were inspired by Dylan.

[acmavm]

61. McCartney needed Lennon to be great. They may not have sat down

physically and wrote together, but they pushed each other in a hundred different directions.

I love Dylan. I'm gonna go see him the 26th with Elvis Costello.

But this really does hurt.

[speedoo]

62. It should be a great show.

I saw them a few weeks ago in Bridgeport, CT. Make sure you get there on time, because Amos Lee, the opening act, is very good... and Elvis is of course great. Dylan and his band were superb when I saw them, which was amazing, as it was their 4th show in four nights, up and down the East Coast!

[acmavm]

64. I've seen Dylan before. He was fantastic. This was before he was reborn

and then unborn.

[speedoo]

68. As you probably know, his voice is nothing like it was back then.

If you've heard any of his last three albums, you have a good idea what to expect.

[malaise]

27. Ditto n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

3. He didn't listen to John Edwards, I guess!

Edwards: Let's give up SUVs - John Edwards News - MSNBC.comDemocratic presidential candidate John Edwards told a labor group Tuesday that he would ask Americans to make a big sacrifice: their sport utility vehicles.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20487065/
:rofl:

[mod mom]

6. Must be working for a corporate candidate. Money over what's good for society.

:mad:

[Blackhatjack]

94. YOU ARE WRONG, ONCE AGAIN ..... here is a link if you are interested

Edwards drives a Ford Escape Hybrid, and continues to own older 1994 GMC truck and 2004 Chrysler Pacifica. Meanwhile, Hillary is driven around in heavily armored Secret Service Vehicles that get less than 10 mpg, and Obama drives a Chrysler 300C, a full-size sport-luxury sedan.

So tell us, how your chosen candidate is doing so much more for the environment than Edwards. And are you still attacking Edwards for being right on the environment?


http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007May10/0,4670,PersonalSideCars,00.html

DEMOCRATS:

Delaware Sen. Joe Biden: 1967 Corvette, a wedding gift from his dad in 1967 when Biden married his first wife, Neilia.

New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton: "For security reasons, we drive in Secret Service vehicles but the Service lets us use a Ford hybrid when we're home in New York."

Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd: 2007 Ford Escape hybrid, a compact SUV

Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards: Ford Escape hybrid. This spring, also reported having a 2004 Chrysler Pacifica midsize SUV and 1994 GMC truck.

Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich: Ford Focus compact

Illinois Sen. Barack Obama: Chrysler 300C, a full-size sport-luxury sedan

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson: "Jeep Wrangler, although my security doesn't like me to drive."

___

REPUBLICANS:

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback: Ford Taurus in Washington and Honda Civic hybrid in Kansas

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani: "I don't drive, I navigate."

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee: 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe and 1995 Chevrolet Silverado pickup truck

California Rep. Duncan Hunter: "Suburban with 274,000 miles on it."

Arizona Sen. John McCain: Cadillac CTS, a midsize luxury sedan

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney: 2005 Ford Mustang convertible

Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo: Toyota Prius hybrid, Cadillac, Mercedes, Buick

[Blackhatjack]

95. Of course you failed to mention this quote by Edwards .... Do You Disagree With It?

From the linked story in your post:

“I think Americans are actually willing to sacrifice,” Edwards said during a forum held by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. “One of the things they should be asked to do is drive more fuel efficient vehicles.”

[DS1]

4. Villager Scum!

[Wickerman]

7. I'm a little more concerned about him shaving the beard

wtf is up with that?

[ben_meyers]

10. Maybe a Gillette Foamy endorsement in the future? n/t

[Flabbergasted]

8. The guy doesn't have enough money? WTF?

[StrongBad]

9. He's still awesome

n/t

[Dorian Gray]

11. I saw him in concert this summer.....

he wasn't all that.

[Mike Daniels]

12. How is that selling out? Has Dylan ever given an indication that he's opposed to SUV's

[Initech]

14. Wait, so let me get this striaght

The guy who once wrote a song called "Masters Of War" is endorsing a $50,000 luxury SUV, and the insane cost of the gas it takes to drive this piece of shit is going to fund the war.

Oh the irony. :eyes:

[NeedleCast]

15. SUVs are evil?

[0007]

91. Perhaps not evil, but certainly incorrigible. n/t

[juno jones]

16. And not even a proletarian working-class SUV like a chevy

or ford....a goddamn caddie from the looks of it. Ugliest damn thing on the road...and unsafe, one flipped on the ice just down the street in my neighborhood last winter.

[Mountainman]

18. Here come the suv haters en-mass! I have proved my own point.

I drive an Explorer. The only car we own. I fill up about every other week. I'll bet most DUers with small cars burn more gas in that time than I do. I drive to the bus that I commute to work on. That's the bulk of my driving.

Again as I have said over and over to no avail, it is not the size of your vehicle it is that amount of gas you burn that makes you a responsible or not a responsible human being!

[theboss]

20. After 45 years, you would think you would understand Dylan by now

He has never "sold out" because his entire career has been one, long, brilliant act of artiface.

He wrote folk songs because folk songs were popular at the time and he could write them brilliantly. He latched onto some incredibly influential folkies, used them, and moved on.

He went into rock and roll, because rock and roll suddenly started to get interesting and he could write brilliant rock and roll songs.

Rock and roll became too dangerous for him so he dropped out, dried out, and became a country singer.

He putzed around for a few years until he needed money and became a stadium rocker.

Honest to goodness, I have no idea what the Christian faze was.

Dylan has been in business for two reasons:
1. He loves to write, record, and perform music. There is no denying that.
2. He wants to make money.

Saving the world is somewhere around 250 on his list, I think.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

21. I don't buy his "I've never been political" cop-out he uses nowdays

Then tell me what "The Times are a Changin'" and " Masters of War" were really about, Bobby!

And stating that I can be a self-absorbed asshole because I never claimed not to be doesn't make you any less guilty

[Dr Fate]

26. Stupid move on his part. To rebellious teens he will be "the guy on the stupid commercials."

He could always count on new generations finding and identifying with his old songs- now many would-be teenage Dylan fans will see him as "the guy on the TV commercials" before even giving his old stuff a chance...

If he keeps this kind of thing up, it's best way for him to lose his credibility with future generations of music fans...

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

22. I don't buy his "I've never been political" cop-out he uses nowdays

Then tell me what "The Times are a Changin'" and " Masters of War" were really about, Bobby!

And stating that I can be a self-absorbed asshole because I never claimed not to be doesn't make you any less guilty

[Melynn]

36. Dylan hasn't been political since about 1964

It's sad but true. Dylan hasn't really cared about politics since the early 60's. Time to admit the truth and move on.

[StrongBad]

33. Astute analysis

Good summation of Dylan and his ethos. The title of the new biopic about him, "I'm Not There", explains his MO well too.

[speedoo]

34. Nice try, but you missed some important angles.

Your criticism is very superficial, IMO. You assume to know his motives, and you oversimplify his career.

Examples: "He wrote folk songs because folk songs were popular at the time and he could write them brilliantly. He latched onto some incredibly influential folkies, used them, and moved on."

Which folkies did he "use"? Woody Guthrie? You could make a case, but I could make a better case, IMO, that Dylan simply loved the way Woody wrote songs and lived his life. (Dylan, as a kid actually was a lot like like Woody... traveling here and there, working, etc.) All the other popular folkies of the early sixties were amateurs compared to Dylan. He outwrote them and out performed them. Listen to some of his early stuff and then show me anyone who was nearly as good, in total. No one could write, sing, and accompany himself on harmonica and guitar as well as he did. You accuse him of "using" the folk style, but think about how much time and effort he had to put in to be able to play that way. He was still a teenager at the time, by the way.

Woody Guthrie was one of his influences, but my guess is that people like Leadbelly, Robert Johnson, Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry were actually stronger influences. So your assessment of his folk period, while consistent with other superficial assessments, is incorrect.

"Rock and roll became too dangerous for him so he dropped out, dried out, and became a country singer."

You're way off here. You imply that he used rock and roll for some brief period, but he has always been a rock and roller. He was actually into rock and roll very strongly as a kid. The Martin guitar and harmonicas he played in the early sixties were obtained by selling his electric guitar and amp. When he "moved on" he was actually going back to the music he preferred. His first electric, rock and roll album was entitled "Bringing It All Back Home" and he composed the album cover with visuals that were a direct response to the criticisms he was receiving from the folk community for "deserting" them.

The post motorcycle accident albums included some country (Nashville Skyline) but also some R&R/roots stuff (John Wesley Harding and Planet Waves) that was really good, so "became a country singer" is an oversimplification. I will agree that several other albums from the early seventies were garbage, possibly deliberately made garbage by Dylan.

Yes, eventually he stopped using drugs, probably as an act of self preservation. I'm glad he survived, and I sure wish a lot of others did as well (Janis, Jimi, Jim, etc. etc.)

"He putzed around for a few years until he needed money and became a stadium rocker."

Yeah, he put out some garbage in the early seventies, but Blood on The Tracks and Desire are great albums. If the "stadium rocker" comment is addressing Rolling Thunder Review, I'll take a stadium rocker any day. Those were some great shows... really intense rock and roll.

I don't know what the Christian period was about, either, but he actually did some really good gospel stuff.

You did not address anything he's done recently. If that's because you are not aware of it, you are missing some great stuff. His last three albums are outstanding.

But my biggest problem with your description of his career, is that you pay attention only to the style of music, and not at all to his lyrics, the content. That's really what separates him from everyone else, IMO.

Oh and I agree.... saving the world is not his agenda. He's too much of a realist for that.

[theboss]

38. I know his history; I didn't feel like writing 45 paragraphs

I own something like 30 Dylan albums. I've seen him live about ten times. I read his book. I read books by others about him. I know the man's story. You didn't need to enlighten me with nuance.

My larger point is that he has always done precisely what he wanted and most of his motivations over the years have been largely selfish. I still think Joan Baez is completely confused by his behavior towards her. Her performance in that Scorsese documentary is remarkable.

[bbgrunt]

41. I thought it was a pithy summary. To me, Dylan has

always been about self-discovery-- and he has to fuck the parasites that try to define him or drag him down, but accepts their support nonetheless.

[symbolman]

49. Yo Boss

You nailed it. No complaints here,I grew up with the "shape shifter" as some have descibed him - I've even got the three hour Scorsese film on my IPhone, I carry Bob everywhere with me and watch the film in supermarket lines on my beloved IPhone :)

I loved when Joan Baez IMITATED Dylan in that film, she Nailed him too!

In light of new info on the pollution that's created by the making of the new IPods, made of the same material as the IPhones, one could say that U2 sold out to Apple as well, except they already DID , a long time ago...

Great post theboss, most succinct Bob description I've seen yet!

[raccoon]

71. "the "shape shifter" --a great description of him. I read Tony Hillerman's book

THE SHAPE SHIFTER, and yes, the name fits for Robert Zimmerman AKA Bob Dylan.

[LittleClarkie]

92. Off topic, but I read him too. Is that the latest? I think I missed it's release if it is.

I inherited my collection from my mom. I was just needing a new one, as I'm re-reading all of them and getting close to the end. I'm on the Wailing Wind right now.

Good book?

[raccoon]

98. I believe it is the latest. I found it among the new books at my local library.

Not his best, but worth the read, IMO.

[symbolman]

105. Yep

That's the way I've always thought of him, you never know what he's going to BE, DO, or SAY at any given moment - it's called Artistry, eh? ;)

[speedoo]

56. You may know his history, but your initial post ....

was either deliberately biased to overstate his selfishness or could have been worded more accurately. (By the way, I think the word you may have meant to use in that first post was artifice, not artiface.)

My intent was not to enlighten you with nuance. I was providing some facts and background to dispute your statements. And I stand by my post. If you have specific disagreements with anything I said, I am all ears.

I do agree with your "larger point", at least in part. But I also think he does not go out of his way at all (as almost every other artist does) to garner himself good PR for his charity. Which is why very little is known about it. I just can't accept that a man who writes the way he does is as selfish as you seem to think he is.

But as this thread demonstrates very well, it does not take much for people who really know little about him to attack him.

[lonestarnot]

48. And there you have it.

:toast:

[Romulox]

58. "Slow Train Coming" is an awesome record.

Honest to goodness, I have no idea what the Christian faze was.

[deutsey]

85. "You said I owe you something. You asked me for my plan. Just who were you expecting?

Jesus Zimmerman?"

Dylan parody from National Lampoon's Lemmings, 1973

[mondo joe]

23. Wait till you see Joan Baez's OLIVE GARDEN commercial.

[Toasterlad]

24. Now THAT...Was Funny.

[riverdeep]

25. Like I-raq. (to the tune of Bob Seger) n/t

[stlsaxman]

28. ... and how about that "sell-out" Jeff Tweety?!?!?!? Wilco is all over them Toyota ads!

and I'm damned happy for him!

:headbang: -"Way to go, Jeff! I'm proud and happy for ya!"

[taterguy]

29. Tweety named his band after a chain of convenience stores

Advertising cars makes perfect sense for them.

[mondo joe]

30. Me too. I don't begrudge them a $ they made from this.

Especially after all their years of making great music.

[Tunkamerica]

31. is it tweety?

I thought it was tweedy

[stlsaxman]

39. "DOH!!!!!"

guess i am just used to seeing "Tweety" in ref to Chris Mathews so often that I slipped-

"sorry, Jeff"- :blush:

[peekaloo]

73. isn't it the VW ads?

:-)

radio won't play 'em so why not? :-)

[rucky]

32. and he's doing 12-bar blues the entire set this tour.

I've seen him about 6 times. this one was almost intolerable.

Elvis Costello, on the other hand...

[mod mom]

35. not to mention the guy before Costello. He kicked butt.

Sorry I had never heard of him before and can't remember his name. He rocked!

[speedoo]

63. Amos Lee.

They were great!

[stlsaxman]

40. all of his tunes have been reduced to a 12 bar blues...

he's been saying that that's all his song are (TBB) for a long time now.

personally i think it's just laziness on his part.

but heck- he's fuckin' DYLAN, man!

[Romulox]

60. Umm, did you miss Elvis Costello's commercials for Lexus???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0G4uRVJpJ8

[graywarrior]

37. He does what he wants and he pisses people off.

:rofl:

[greendog]

51. He does what he wants because he WANTS to...

...piss people off.

He doesn't want or need the money. He just wants to piss people off. And if you ever wanted him to be your poster boy for ANYTHING he ESPECIALLY wants to piss you off.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[graywarrior]

53. It's better than sex for him....pissing people off.

And he's been a pro at it for decades. He loves disappointing his worshippers.

[greendog]

57. It's freaking hilarious.

What a great photo. I'm laughin' my ass off.


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[graywarrior]

59. The SUV kinda looks like him, doesn't it?

[theboss]

70. Actually, I think he needs money

My understanding is that he has never been inordinately rich.

[raccoon]

72. Are you joking? If he isn't inordinately rich, he sure knows how to piss it away. nt

[theboss]

84. Well, he had a drug habit, a messy divorce, and a stalled career for 15 years

And he never exactly sold a lot of records. The first two greatest hits and Blood on the Tracks were the only records to ever go multi-platinum.

He is probably well off compared to the rest of the world. But he is certainly not Paul McCartney.

[speedoo]

93. Your data's out of date.

Desire and Blonde on Blonde are also multi platinum, as of 1999 and 2003, respectively.

http://riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS

Highway 61 has to be close, IMO.

But you're right about the comparison with McCartney. Dylan's album sales relative to the Beatles are miniscule.

http://riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblArtTal

The Stones blow Dylan away as well, and there is a shocking number of lesser talents (far lesser talents) with as much or more in album sales. (Reba McIntyre? Alabama? WTF?) But it's comforting to see that Elvis blows everyone else away.

[ShortnFiery]

42. Damn, how the mighty have fallen! Just a reminder of human frailty.

I would love to believe that I will always be a liberal democrat, but I've seen far too many people switch to the republican party once they have a little bit of that mean green. IMO, there's no more arrogant souls than SOME of those who are in the upper middle class scratching their way toward that big brass ring.

But these sell out celebrities are a hoot! I was floored when Jamie Lee Curtis endorsed "The Gropinator." Closer to topic, I went into a classic rock funk when Led Zeppelin advertised for Cadillac. :wow: OMG! Who'd of thunk it when us teens were waiting up till Midnight on Saturday for the Bob Kirchner's Rock Hour?!? I felt so empowered - like I was part of a social movement, and sneaky by not telling my parents that I was listening to "the subversive music" (according to them).

Led Zeppelin and Bob Dylan were an important part of Rock's and Folk Music's 1960s-1070s COUNTERCULTURE ... and it was damn beautiful - with or without altering one's consciousness. :hippie:

It's all gone ... as our INFO-tainment M$M glibly shows "Pissing in the Wind" Quality Reality Shows and proclaims them ALL f**king artwork. :nuke:

No, with or without folk icons like Dylan, I will not blindly obey nor lay down. :evilgrin:



What's good is bad, what's bad is good
You'll find out when you reach the top
YOU'RE ON THE BOTTOM.

Idiot wind, blowing through the buttons of our coats
Blowing through the letters that we wrote
Idiot wind, plowing through the dust upon our shelves
We're idiots babe
It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves. :(

[americanstranger]

43. Indulge me a little pedantry...

Who'd of thunk it when us teens were waiting up till Midnight on Saturday for the Bob Kirchner's Rock Hour.


Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. And I'm pretty sure it aired on Friday, taking the time slot of The Dick Cavett Show.

- as

(An aside on Dylan: His current manager is an old friend of mine. Behind the scenes, they do a lot more for liberal causes than any other 20 people I know. But as far as Bob's career goes - to quote his manager - 'Yes, it is about the money.')

Edited for spelling. Today's the last day of my vacation, and I'm enjoying a few Old Brown Dog Ales.

[ShortnFiery]

44. Thank you. My reference to Don Kircshner's Rock Concert is strictly from the clouded

memory of a young teenager of right wing libertarian type parents. I made it my *mission* to buy and play all the counterculture music I could get my hands on. While other young girls were listening to Donnie Osmond, I was rocking out to Alice Cooper.

Alas, ole' Alice is in it for himself too. Excuse me while my head explodes? :blush: ;)

I wish that Our American Culture can CHOOSE to value "compassion and humanity" half as much as we honor those who hold power and money.

After all, we can't take it with us and "Our Position, Power and Money" won't figure into Saint Peter's evaluation one whit. :shrug:

p.s. I'm not enjoying any adult beverages now since I have a martial arts class to attend soon. However, please accept my humble regrets for "jumping to conclusions." I'm just saddened that all my idealism as a young teen/adult has disappeared. Dylan is a great artist, no argument there. :hi:

[americanstranger]

45. I loved that show, even though ol' Don was one of the most boring TV hosts ever.

And the funny thing was, he let his kids host the last season - and they sounded just like him! :)

Before it became 'Don Kirshner's Rock Concert,' it was known as 'In Concert,' and it introduced me to a lot of bands that I never would have heard otherwise - like the Sensational Alex Harvey Band.

Here's the footage from 'In Concert' of SAHB - http://youtube.com/watch?v=rg9FcXmwnYo

For a kid sitting outside of Philly, glued to his TV, that was absolutely scary. I dug every second of it.

- as

[ShortnFiery]

46. Yes, you're right about friday night and I do remember Don was quite monotone and had

that "deer in the headlights" stare as he talked into the camera. But some of those concerts were truly awesome. Thanks for the link. Peace! :hi:

[americanstranger]

55. Thanks for dredging up a childhood memory!

I still have to chuckle thinking about Kirshner.

And IIRC, Paul Shaffer used to do a wicked impersonation of Kirshner on SNL.

- as

[WilliamPitt]

47. The one guy who never sould out?

Hunter S. Thompson.

[Beelzebud]

50. There were two actually.

The other was Bill Hicks.

[ShortnFiery]

54. And related - The Late Sam Kinison.

Oh, how I miss Sam's raucous comedy. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEsF_2RYLTQ

[theboss]

69. I take it you never saw "Where the Buffalo Roam?"

Even Rolling Stone called him a "greedhead" for selling his stories to the producers of that piece of garbage. (Though, to be honest, I still love Murray's performance in that. In fact, a better movie would have been just to let Murray improvise as Thompson for an hour and a half in different scenarios).

I don't think Thompson ever "sold out" per se. But from about 1979 forward he took a lot of paychecks from a lot of people for a lot of crappy work.

[ShortnFiery]

78. Another humble addition to the NON-sell outs is George Carlin. n/t

[H2O Man]

52. Shocking.

Mr. Zimmerman hasn't changed.

[SlowDownFast]

65. That's it! The End of The World is nigh for sure.

I'm gonna go get some Hagan Daaz now...

[Generator]

66. Damn I miss the Victoria Secret ads he did

That was the biggest WTF ever! BUT Bob was a sexy 'ole horndog in his day. He has the most inscrutable mind on the planet. He writes some brilliant lyrics.

[blondeatlast]

79. Please tell me you are joking. Victoria's Secret?

Not doubting you, it just makes my head hurt to think about it! :banghead:

I actually had his mom as one of my clients (trendy, high end department store) and she was not a pleasant woman on the best of days...

[...of J.Temperance]

67. There's nothing wrong with SUV's

They're damn fine vehicles....I have one, my Dad has one as well....I'm not going to be dictated to on what vehicle I CAN and CAN'T have, I believe in freedom of choice.

And yeah, the black SUV's ARE the sexiest!

[tammywammy]

74. uh oh

You must turn in your democrat card. :)


There was an interesting article in Time this week about GM's hybrid SUVs coming out.

[RebelOne]

75. I'm on your side. Even though I don't own one, but if I did,

it's my business if I want to pay through the nose for gasoline.

[kwassa]

76. SUVs are evil, everyone knows that.

:evilgrin:

Spawn of Satan

[ShortnFiery]

81. Yes and often times when we consider the male of the species, one word comes to mind

that proves to positively correlate with increased purchases of big a** SUVs: Overcompensation :evilgrin:

Men overcompensate when their masculinity is threatened, Cornell study shows

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Aug05/soc.gender.dea.html

[kwassa]

82. Interesting findings

From the article:
"I found that if you made men more insecure about their masculinity, they displayed more homophobic attitudes, tended to support the Iraq War more and would be more willing to purchase an SUV over another type of vehicle," said Robb Willer, a sociology doctoral candidate at Cornell. Willer is presenting his findings Aug. 15 at the American Sociological Association's 100th annual meeting in Philadelphia

[LanternWaste]

97. There's a cold spell in Hades this afternoon...

There's a cold spell in Hades this afternoon-- I agree with you completely!

In the seventies, it was the red-sports car, in the eighties, the full sized truck, and the SUV's in the nineties-- you'd think Madison Avenue would have come up with a newer way to trash the planet whilst simultaneously advertising a faux penis size for the new decade...

[AlCzervik]

88. who's dictating to you what land yacht you can drive? Awful intemperate there Mr. "Temperance".

[DrunkenMaster]

89. Your God-given RIGHT to trash the planet!

Yeah! and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise!

You can have my SUV when you pry the keys from my cold dead hands! Fuck the planet, fuck my neighbors, fuck the environment, its all about ME!

Seriousy, don't ever let anyone tell you that you are a stupid, selfish jackass. Stand proud, you brave soldier for freedumb!

[JVS]

77. LOL! LOL! LOL!

:rofl:

[DemBones DemBones]

80. Yeah, but as someone else said, he's still DYLAN.

I'd guess that lots of famous people are not the paragons of liberal virtue we'd like them to be

Too bad but who really cares? He's still Dylan and he's given us a lot of great music.

[Imagevision]

83. So what?!! - Mick Jagger is singing about being "free to do what I want" spots

[slackmaster]

87. At least it doesn't have "spinner" wheel covers

That would be too much for me.

[DrunkenMaster]

90. It's Even an Escalade fer Chrissakes!

13 mpg??? Fuck you, Dylan. Do the planet a favor and go suck on the tailpipe of one of those enviro-killers you're so fond of.

[CountAllVotes]

96. I agree!!

I have a "friend" (???) that is one of Dylan's groupies. She spends every cent she has following him around. I think he has written some good songs (yes) but I am not big fan of his.

He is a sell out junkie. That is right, JUNKIE. He never kicked his "drug habit" IMO. Does any junkie ever really "kick the habit". I don't think so.

Sail on Bob. Enjoy your new SUV you piglet.

:kick:

[ShortnFiery]

101. I came damn near close to getting myself arrested for rescuing a puppy

from a white Escalade in 90 degree weather. The pup was in heat distress and we revived him in the shade with a big gulp. A pretty petite blonde showed up and censored me for "breaking into her car." Well, someone else reached in and unlocked the door and I took the 8 week black lab pup out of the kennel, i.e., heaven forbid a puppy mar those lovely leather seats.

When the cops showed up 15 minutes later, the pup had recovered somewhat and "the blonde in the Escalade" was livid at me.

OMG! No good deed goes unpunished. I didn't get arrested but I received the third degree with a license check. I told the cop as he "permitted me" to leave, "Next time I'll just pass by so you can discover a dead puppy instead." :grr:

Fuck Cadillac Escalades! The vast majority of people driving them are always traveling ALONE. Because of this horrific experience, I'll always consider the following sales pitch.

Cadillac Escalade. The Luxury SUV for The Total ASSHOLE! :evilgrin:

Sorry, but I'm still a little peeved. :blush:

[SmokingJacket]

100. You can respect a person's music and not the person. nt

[dancingme]

102. Let's not forget his appearance on "Dharma & Greg"!

Now THAT was unforgivable!

[Baby Snooks]

103. Money corrupts...

Money corrupts everything. Everyone has a price as they say. And for the right price, everything else goes out the window. I am not sure about the gas mileage of an Escalade. It may be economical in that sense. But I am sure it is not economical in the other sense and is not the SUV of choice of the average American. Not because they don't want one. They simply can't afford one.

But when was Bob Dylan the average American? And didn't Abbie Hoffman become a stockbroker?

[Blue-Jay]

106. Who is that?

Maybe I'm behind the times, but that guy is a complete unknown to me.




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