Can someone fully explain "Money trumps peace"?

[CoffeeCat]

I was half watching Junior's speech. I can't fully engage, otherwise
my neurons implode. I was cleaning the living room with the tv on, and
I heard "...Money trumps peace...blah, blah, blah".

I did not hear the question that preceded Junior's "Money trumps peace" answer.
Can someone shed some light on what the question was.

Also, I did not hear what Junior said just before he made the "Money trumps peace"
answer.

What I did see was that he seemed to be completely discombobulated after he made
this inane comment. He kept attempting to justify the remark and over explain
what he just said--as if he was manufacturing fake content around the statement.

I have never been so convinced that someone was feeding him dialog into an ear piece.
His words felt contrived--one sentence at a time. His speech was frantic and choppy--as if
the person feeding him the lines was completely freaking out. I don't think Chimpy is
astute enough to understand the error of those words--so I doubt those were his emotions.
He's isn't connected with his emotions--or the emotions of other people--to care
enough about making it right. Those were the emotions of a handler and the words of a handler.

Did anyone else get that sense, as well?

If anyone can put those remarks into context, I would be so grateful. The next time Junior
gives a speech, I promise I'll pay attention so I can explain the madness to others. ;)

Thanks so much. :)

[ClusterFreak]

1. Yeah you're right...

...the newser was mostly just..."I listen to my generals"...blah blah blah..."Victory in Iraq will be different than victory in World War Two"...blah blah blah...but when he said "Money trumps peace" my ears pricked up too. What exactly the fuck did he mean my that ? I don't know about the earpiece, but anything's possible, but it was just such a telling comment. Kinda like when he talked about "catapulting the propoganda". I think sometimes when you lie as much as Chimpy does, every once in a while you mess up...and blurt out the truth.

[DRoseDARs]

2. I can: It's being taken out-of-context...

Here's the entire Q&A exchange for this particular Bush quote:
"Q A lot of our allies in Europe do a lot of business with Iran, so I wonder what your thoughts are about how you further tighten the financial pressure on Iran, in particular, if it also means economic pain for a lot of our allies?

THE PRESIDENT: It's an interesting question. One of the problems -- not specifically on this issue, just in general -- let's put it this way, money trumps peace, sometimes. In other words, commercial interests are very powerful interests throughout the world. And part of the issue in convincing people to put sanctions on a specific country is to convince them that it's in the world's interest that they forgo their own financial interest.

And John, that's why sometimes it's tough to get tough economic sanctions on countries. And I'm not making any comment about any particular country, but you touched on a very interesting point.

And so, therefore, we're constantly working with nations to convince them that what really matters in the long run is to have the environment so peace can flourish. In the Iranian case, I firmly believe that if they were to have a weapon, it would make it difficult for peace to flourish. And, therefore, I'm working with people to make sure that that concern trumps whatever commercial interests may be preventing governments from acting. I make no specific accusation with that statement. It's a broad statement. But it's an accurate assessment of what sometimes can halt multilateral diplomacy from working."



You know, we're supposed to get all pissed off and offended when we're quoted out-of-context, but when we do it to Bush that makes it ok? :shrug: :thumbsdown:

[ComerPerro]

4. Thank you, I also noticed people were taking it out of context

of course, it doesn't change the fact that what Bush said is complete BS, but that's what he meant.

[DRoseDARs]

5. We can argue bout wht ** REALLY believes 'til we're blue in the face (and agree on every point), but

...that still doesn't make it ok to take his words out of the context of his full answer to the question like this any more than it would be ok for conservatives to do the same to say Hillary or Obama in an attempt to likewise smear them with their own out-of-context words.

[pdrichards114]

6. Taken out of context its bad, in context its worse!

How the hell do you say, "In general" then "Money trumps peace, sometimes" what the fuck kinda "in general" is that? Doesn't in general mean most of the time. Not only does "Money trumps peace" sound awful, but when he mangles his generalizations to a sometimes caveat, he sounds like a fucking moron.


Then he goes on to say some skite about working to have an "environment so peace can flourish." But didn't he just say "general -- let's put it this way, money trumps peace, sometimes."

Bottom line is he can't make a rational or cogent argument or presentation about anything. * is an idiot, par excellance.

[CoffeeCat]

7. And do you know what sucks the most?

The Republicans are aces at extricating a line or two--and twisting it against the
person--until context and common sense are meaningless.

Case in point, when John Kerry said, "I voted for the $87 billion, before I voted against it."
In context, the remark made so much sense, and Kerry went on to extrapolate on that sentence,
saying that he first voted FOR the funds when the bill included an amendment to pay for the
war by rolling back tax cuts for the rich. Then, when the final bill came around, that amendment
was removed and he then voted AGAINST--because he was concerned about how we would pay for a war
and tax cuts for millionaires.

In context, Kerry was right. However, the GOP hammered Kerry with that line and used it in ads
to suggest that he was a waffling fool who was confused about war and national defense.


The GOP will use this device at every turn.

I see now that it was taken out of context. It's not ok for us to do that.

However, it will be done to us--many times over--and probably tomorrow.

[justiceischeap]

3. It's his version of rock paper scissors

And now we all know that money trumps peace.