New WH Talking Point: "What's worse, that the government knew or that the government didn't know?"

[sabra]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070214-2.html

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THE PRESIDENT: What we do know is that the Quds force was instrumental in providing these deadly IEDs to networks inside of Iraq. We know that. And we also know that the Quds force is a part of the Iranian government. That's a known. What we don't know is whether or not the head leaders of Iran ordered the Quds force to do what they did.

But here's my point: Either they knew or didn't know, and what matters is, is that they're there. What's worse, that the government knew or that the government didn't know? But the point I made in my initial speech in the White House about Iraq was, is that we know they're there and we're going to protect our troops. When we find the networks that are enabling these weapons to end up in Iraq, we will deal with them. If we find agents who are moving these devices into Iraq, we will deal with them. I have put out the command to our troops -- I mean, to the people who are commanders, that we'll protect the soldiers of the United States and innocent people in Iraq and will continue doing so.

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THE PRESIDENT: I can say with certainty that the Quds force, a part of the Iranian government, has provided these sophisticated IEDs that have harmed our troops. And I'd like to repeat, I do not know whether or not the Quds force was ordered from the top echelons of government. But my point is what's worse -- them ordering it and it happening, or them not ordering it and it happening? And so we will continue to protect our troops.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070213-3.html

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MR. SNOW: You better, because I think you will find out that the intelligence does indicate, as he said, this stuff was -- let me pose you with two possibilities. But first, the intelligence indicates that the Quds forces, which are part of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, are associated with this.

Now, let me ask a second question to you. I don't know what's more frightening, the fact that the Quds forces would be operating with the knowledge of senior officials or without the knowledge of senior officials. What is beyond dispute, and what is of primary importance here -- and General Pace hasn't disagreed with it, and we don't disagree, and frankly, again, I think you'll find upon further conversation -- he's going to be in the air for about 23 hours, so give him a day -- that, in fact, we generally agree on the basics of the situation here, which is there are armaments that have made their way from Iran into Iraq. There are Iranian forces in Iraq. These weapons are being used to kill Americans; we're going to do everything we can to protect our people.

[magellan]

1. How many times has the same been said about BushCo?

Innumerable. The irony continues.

[rodeodance]

8. pot calling out the kettle.

[yurbud]

2. these guys know NO ONE will ever point out irony of that to them.

What are the chances that anyone said, "yeah, that's how I feel about you asswipes and 9/11!"

[kenny blankenship]

3. What should we bomb/execute Saddam Hussein for?

The fact that we say he still has hidden caches of weapons of mass destruction?
Or the fact that we say he has not proved to our satisfaction that he has destroyed his weapons of mass destruction?

Which is worse?

Oh I don't know--do we even need a reason? Reasons, reasons, reasons! Doesn't the rest of the world get it yet that we're insane?

[sutz12]

4. So basically, it doesn't matter...

Once again, we're going to attack a country because of what a splinter group, that may not even be representative of the government or the majority of the people, does.

This looks a lot like the recent crap in Lebanon, when the Israilis went in and punished all of Lebanon for what Hezbollah did. In the end they accomplished squat, other than making Hezbollah look like patriotic heroes to the rest of the Lebanese. A few good bombing raids ought to solidify Achmanezaid (sp) and this Qod group as heroes of the Iranian Republic. Gotta love that collective punishment meme.

I guess it's time to upgrade the opposition.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. We could ask the same question about the mess in Iraq. Did the administration

know that the CPA's policies would destroy the country and breed the insurgency or didn't they know due to a lack of intelligent thought?

[kirby]

6. READ the Hypocrisy

This is directly from the WH Transcript from Bush press conference full of hypocrisy this morning. I simply replaced Iran with America.

"The message to the American people is that your leaders are making decisions that are isolating you in the world, thereby denying you a brighter future. And I believe America is an unbelievably vital nation. It's got a great history, it's got wonderful traditions, it's got very capable, smart people. There is -- I believe there's also a desire to not be isolated from the world. And our policies are all aimed at convincing the American people there's a better way forward, and I hope their government hears that message."

[subterranean]

10. And I believe Bush is an unbelievably stupid idiot.

[frogcycle]

7. and this is just a quick spinjob to cover for having

overstated it and gotten called on it.


is there anyone with an iq above 12 still buying this shit?

wouldn't you love it if someone got a cellphone video of bush being rehearsed in saying this line onto UTube?

[subterranean]

9. They "know" the Quds force was involved.

Just like they "knew" that Iraq possessed massive stockpiles of the most dangerous weapons ever devised.

Sorry, George, your credibility is zero.

[jsamuel]

11. At this point, we are questioning whether "it" is "happening" at all.