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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:19 PM
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'Wash Times' Columnist Uses Fabricated Abraham Lincoln Quote
NEW YORK The drive by some political and military figures -- and pundits -- to paint those who oppose the war in Iraq as traitors or at least not supporting the troops has hit another low, with a Washington Times columnist trumpeting an incendiary quote from Abraham Lincoln shown to be a fabrication last year.

Frank Gaffney, Jr. opened his latest column with this: "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged." — President Abraham Lincoln.

He continues: "It is, of course, unimaginable that the penalties proposed by one of our most admired presidents for the crime of dividing America in the face of the enemy would be contemplated — let alone applied — today. Still, as the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate engage in interminable debate about resolutions whose effects can only be to 'damage morale and undermine the military' while emboldening our enemies, it is time to reflect on what constitutes inappropriate behavior in time of war."

One problem: Lincoln never said it.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003545478
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:34 PM
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1. OMG -- Gaffney gets MAJOR face time on cable news !!
No self-respecting organization should be putting on a guy who'd put faux words in the mouth of one of our most revered presidents!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:36 PM
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2. isn't it interesting to see where the original "quote" appeared?
wonder if the original author had something to do with the Obama/Madrassa story......
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:41 PM
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3. republicon propagandists lying is NOT news
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 04:41 PM by SpiralHawk
they lie all the time.

Wake me up when one of them tells the truth.
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:43 PM
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4. Good Night & Good Luck
It will be a long nap,,,,
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 06:05 PM
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10. z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-
Take the republicon propaganda pledge. Not.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:04 PM
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5. The Moonie WashTimes is garbage
It is nothing but a rightwing propaganda rag.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:05 PM
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6. Insight mag strikes again
"...J. Michael Waller, concedes that the words are his, not Lincoln's. Waller says he never meant to put quote marks around them, and blames an editor (at the magazine Insight) for the mistake and the failure to correct it." -- Brooks Jackson, emphasis added

Insight again, huh? Looks like they've become a propaganda organ of considerable influence. Might be worth having an "Insight watch" just to go through their crappy rag every week to debunk the bullshit.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:12 PM
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7. Gaffney is a neocon
Not all liars and fabricators are neocons, but all neocons are liars and fabricators.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:40 PM
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8. mucho crap there
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 05:42 PM by iverglas
If you look at the article in question, which appears here:
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/gaffney021307.php3
you can see the quotation leading off the article, as a sort of subtitle. It isn't a matter of quotation marks or not quotation marks; it looks like this:

Congressmen who willfully take actions during
wartime that damage morale and undermine
the military are saboteurs and should be
arrested, exiled, or hanged.

— President Abraham Lincoln


It is, of course, unimaginable that the penalties
proposed by one of our most admired presidents for the crime of
dividing America in the face of the enemy would be contemplated —
let alone applied — today.

What Gaffney appears to be guilty of isn't bad punctuation, it's crap research.

Google "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale" and you'll find it all over the place -- over 10,000 results, most of them apparently being from webpages dated 2006 and earlier.

One had the decency to say:
Abraham Lincoln most likely never said this, but he should have.

What would be interesting to know would be what Gaffney's source was, since he really did not make up the sentence -- the words may not be Lincoln's, but they certainly are not his -- and then accidentally put quotation marks around it.



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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:46 PM
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9. The dash with President Abraham Lincoln following the supposed quote makes it a quote in my book,
inverted commas or not.

Actually, in the Romance languages, the dash as a quotation indicator is common, as it is in dialog in a novel. There are many ways of indicating a quote, not just "xyz". Even if he had paraphrased it, to give the impression of a quote is a cardinal sin in academia and journalism.

There is no way a copy editor just suddenly put in quotation marks and Lincoln's name with a dash following the "quotation" . . . not one who kept his or her job for a second day following its discovery by the author!

Had that happened, then the author should have said it was a proofing flaw and that the quote was not intended, and have a retraction printed.
Obviously he didn't.

That leads enquiring minds to surmise that he merely got caught and is trying to explain it away by shifting the blame rather than accepting it as he ought.

WFC what the WT has to say anyhow....does anyone without birds to keep buy it?
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