Awww..whattsa matter, Princess?

[Virginia Dare]

Did your hair get mussed?... :nopity:

[panader0]

1. Great pic.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. Wow I love that picture

[bigscott]

4. good for her

Condi needs to be a little more "reality based". I despise that woman

[havocmom]

3. Was the woman charged with assault? Read something like that.

Dissent and challenges to power are assault?

The PNACers are reaching the point of not being able to go outside. There will be dissent and challenges everywhere. They can stay inside and talk to the portraits like Nixon. If they can't face free Americans, they should be hounded to stay in their burrows.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. She was held overnight and is being charged with federal crimes

[havocmom]

16. Thanks proud2Blib

They try real hard to intimidate Americans into silent surrender, don't they?

[proud2BlibKansan]

84. I will let you know if I hear anything else

No one knows much yet. Last I heard she still hadn't been released.

[havocmom]

89. Offend the Princess and get disapperared?

I miss my country.

Will look for any updates from you. If you get any info, could you PM link to your posts? I have to leave soon and don't want to miss your findings later on this evening.

Thanks, you are a real gem around here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. Thank you so much

I will be sure to PM you if I hear anything. They are sending out requests for $$ so I suspect they will be sending out more info about Desiree.

[bdamomma]

8. we need them to be afraid of us, not the other way around.

[Mad_Dem_X]

19. "People should not fear their government...

government should fear the people." I forget who said that, but it is so true.

[The Stranger]

75. It is from V for Vendetta.

[Vilis Veritas]

78. And V was paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson...

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson


Peace.

[Virginia Dare]

11. No, I think she got a misconduct charge..

and that was for spreading the paint on the walls. They don't want to screw too much with Code Pink right now.

[havocmom]

14. Thanks for straightening me out. I heard assult charges and wondered WTF?

[Buzz Clik]

21. Legally, it was assault. Her actions and raving are classic assault.

If she had even touched Rice, she could have been (and should have been) charged with battery.

[Virginia Dare]

23. But she didn't touch her..

and for everyone who thinks that this is a fascist state, in a true fascist state, Code Pink protesters wouldn't even be allowed in the room.

Putting on my :tinfoilhat: but the Democrats obviously allowed the lady in the room, and then faked outrage when the protest unfolded. She had a Code Pink shirt on, it wasn't like nobody knew who she was. How did he get the paint or whatever it was into the room? Everybody is frisked before entering those rooms. This was a pre-planned event, and somebody had to have approved it.

[Buzz Clik]

29. In watching the video, I wonder why she wasn't shot.

Seriously, she lurches at the Secretary of State -- one of the most powerful people on the planet -- puts her hands toward and around her head while screaming, and several seconds passed before a move was made. If I were in Ali-Fairooz's position, I would have assumed that I would have been dropped by a bullet. (I'm not advocating that Ali-Fairooz should have been shot or dealt with more harshly than she was. I am only saying she ran a serious risk.)

By the way, the legal definition of assault allows for the threat of violence without physical contact. The fact that Rice was never touched despite the clear opportunity for being touched may have ruled out assault, but not necessarily. If Ali-Fairooz had touched her at all, I am convinced that she would have been charged with battery and would be in jail for a while.

[Virginia Dare]

35. Which is why I think somebody had tipped the security off..

they told them exactly how it was going down, to sit back and let it happen, and then to escort the lady out. It was all pre-planned.

[Vilis Veritas]

81. Which, if true, would lead one to presume...

that Shrub's administration is going down...

[Stinky The Clown]

88. "Touching" would be battery. What she did was "assault"

When one yells and then touches, one is guilty of assault and battery. Assault alone is far more likely than battery alone. No one silently beats (or 'touches') you.

[Kingshakabobo]

28. Thanks, Melvin Belli. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

30. Did you look it up? I did.

Sometimes being informed is more work than being a smartass.

[Kingshakabobo]

39. I didn't need to. I'm quite aware of the differences between assault and battery.

We covered it in freshman level business law (don't ask me why it was covered in business law).

Frankly, I'm surprised a "law and order" authoritarian personality, such as yourself, needed to look it up. Maybe you can save yourself a google search next time and ask your jail-house-lawyer pals over at that other site.

[Buzz Clik]

50. And there it is -- the classic bulletin board bullshit.

A smartass answer justified by a stream of self-adulation mixed with weak attempts at condescension.

If any freshman in business law would know the difference between the two (and you are correct about that), then why did you find it necessary to spew the sarcastic Belli comment? Particularly considering that I'm right? :eyes:

Give it a rest. You're as transparent as the day is long.

You can have the last shot because you're wasting my time.

[Kingshakabobo]

55. Maybe "Thanks, Captain Obvious" would have been easier for your "brain-stem mind" to comprehend?

I can always go back and edit if you are having a hard time following along. Let me know.

[Buzz Clik]

66. I changed my mind -- I'll respond to this one.

If my comment was so incredibly obvious, why did you choose to hammer me instead of those who were misguided about the definition of assault? (This is a rhetorical question because we both know the answer.)

[Kingshakabobo]

67. Flip-flopper!

:rofl:

[havocmom]

76. OT: I can see why it would be covered in business law

Not all meetings stick to the original agenda. ;)

[Kingshakabobo]

93. LOL. So true.

A friend of mine is on the board of a large condo association - they have slap-fights on a regular basis.

[havocmom]

101. As a matter of fact, that is the VERY reason I retired as association newsletter editor!

Yep.

[divinecommands]

97. Glad someone else recognizes that fact

I've had screaming people inches from my face like that. Assault in the name of a political cause is despicable.

[martymar64]

131. Yeah, all us peasants should know our place

and speak to our betters in polite tones with downcast eyes.

Asssaulting the constitution and the people of Iraq is even more despiciable.
Save your outrage for the real criminals.

[divinecommands]

140. It's sad to see that bifurcated thinking is as common on the left as it is on the right.

There is middle -- reasonable -- ground between assault and sycophancy. Nor does rejecting the use of assault for political purposes imply the endorsement of government crimes.

I wholeheartedly reject the use or threat of violence as a method for scoring political points, even against the Republicans. Don't you? And if not, how much violence would you be willing to accept and exert in support for your favored political cause? Why stop with simple assault?

[proud2BlibKansan]

86. Where did you hear that?

My friend who is there said she is being charged with a felony - a federal crime - and is still being held.

[Ilsa]

13. I don't think she laid a hand on W's princess. That would be assault, I bet. nt

[bdamomma]

6. me too, shows condi in her true state, oblivious to what is happening

cold and insensitive to the facts. What a witch she is!!!

[DS1]

7. Condi looks like Mike Tyson in that pic

[Virginia Dare]

12. You know it took every ounce of energy in her..

not to slap that woman. You can see it in her face.

[havocmom]

18. Yep And if legal confrontations keep happening, Condi WILL snap

and so will the shutters... the whole world is watching, Condi. How long can you hold your fury, dear? :evilgrin:

[qdemn7]

64. Rice should have slapped the living dogshit

Out of that woman. They said something like "You want a piece of me bitch? Well c'mon then!" Now THAT would have been something to see. :evilgrin:

[havocmom]

68. Rice has got to have a threshold. But, we know it's a high threshold

She takes a shitload of crap from her husband's business associates on a regular basis.

[Virginia Dare]

94. It kind of reminds me of football..

when the offense has 4th and inches, and they do a long count trying to draw the defense off sides.

[MiniMe]

9. The Washington Times actually had a great banner headline along with that pic

"Rice Sees Red and Pink"

[WinkyDink]

10. "Beeyotch better not mess my Manolos!"

[lonestarnot]

15. Wow. Up close and personal

[Beausoir]

17. Wow! That is a powerful picture. The Code Pink woman looks pissed.

Good on her.

[Buzz Clik]

20. Her hair wasn't mussed at all. She was, however, assaulted by a ranting protester.

And in a supposedly secure environment.

Seriously folks, do we want to encourage this kind of shit? Do we want our public officials assaulted in these or other settings?

I really dislike Condi Rice, but I do not support this kind of activity. If Ali-Fairooz had been intent on harming Rice, nothing could have stopped her.

[Virginia Dare]

22. I have no problem with Condi being publicly humiliated..

she deserves every bit of it and then some. The lady didn't assault her. The lady was only charged with misconduct and that was for spreading the paint from her hands to the walls.

[Buzz Clik]

24. Rice would have to ask for the charges of assault -- it's not automatic.

I'm not buying into this.

[Virginia Dare]

26. I thought it was good theater...n/t

[Beelzebud]

27. First of all, any rational person wouldnt' consider what happened "assault".

Second. Thanks for carrying water for the goose steppers. Your concern is noted.

[Buzz Clik]

33. Ah, a Nazi reference.

Nicely played.

[renie408]

38. Here's the thing...

you have to hate all Republicans with a passion and agree that anything that is done to them, no matter how irrational, is just what they deserve.

That's how you show people around here that you are an independent thinker.

[Beelzebud]

40. Your concern is noted.

I love how we have a group here that loves to bash Code Pink no matter what they do.

They protest the Dems, they are asked why they don't protest republicans.

they protest Republicans, and they're accused of being irrational, and attention whores.

No wonder we're fucked, as a nation...

[Buzz Clik]

45. Save the hysteria for a less informed reader.

No one is bashing Code Pink, fercrissakes. I'm simply disagreeing with this particular act.

[renie408]

46. We are fucked as a nation because we are inhabited by a bunch of drama queens who can't

have a discussion with someone. Your mature and well thought out response to Buzzclik's thoughts? Call him a nazi. Way to go. Way to expand the conversation. I am sick of people whose idea of beating the GOP is to act just like them. The GOP are the party that flings over the top insults at people they disagree with. I thought THIS party was supposed to be better than that. But it isn't. The problem with this country is that there are too many of US who are just like THEM. Only we can pat ourselves on the back because the things we are defending JUST LIKE THEY DO are different.

[Beelzebud]

48. Yes because playing nice has gotten us so far.

I mean, the war is over, administration officials have been held to account, and we have party leadership that is unwavering in standing for their principles.

Oh wait. We have none of those things.

[renie408]

61. What has Buzzclik got to do with ending the war?

And who REALLY wants to be LIKE THEM? We moan about how divisive the politics in this country are. Hey, I know they started it. But SOMEBODY has to stop it.

And Buzzclik, if you could have ended this war and didn't, then you deserve to be called a water carrier.

[Buzz Clik]

54. Damn! Are there more like you at home? I certainly hope so.

[Buzz Clik]

43. And that's my problem.

My entire family is conservative -- old school conservative -- and all Republican. They are intelligent, informed, and rational. Hating them would serve no purpose, so I've spend my adult life trying to understand their views while giving them full credit as functioning, decent people.

It's a perspective that is not particularly popularly here at DU.

[renie408]

52. And that's another reason we are fucked as a country.

We can't just disagree with the other side, we have to hate them. We have to call them nazis. We have to assume that they are flawed as human beings because they think differently from us. Neither side takes any effort to understand where their opposition is coming from. NEITHER side. Democrats like to think of themselves as the touchy feely party. My fat ass. 75% of the people here are just as bad as any GOP'er I have gotten into an argument with. If you so much as HINT that people should behave civilly, you are a fascist and a nazi and a good german. They go from zero to bitch just as fast here as anywhere else.

(BTW...I have been known to do the same kinds of things myself. I am not excusing myself in this.)

[Vilis Veritas]

83. Hatred will diminish even the best of intentions...

and spoil the outcome for all.

Peace.

[Virginia Dare]

96. Of course the hyperbole gets ratcheted up a few notches here at DU..

I have plenty of repubs in my life as well, some of whom are relations. Of course I don't hate them, but there is always a part of me that can't respect them.

[leftynyc]

82. Oy Vey - I thought I was the only one

who didn't like this stupid stunt. Code Pink has a great message - too bad it gets completely lost with all their shit.

[Virginia Dare]

95. I don't feel that way at all..

I've been critical of Code Pink in the past, but this I thought was a good example of protest. I guess it's purely subjective?

[bobthedrummer]

32. She is not representative of the majority of US, she was appointed by unelected criminals.

She was a key part of the implementation of the criminal unconstitutional policies of this administration.

Do you subscribe to authoritarian "law and order" from criminals that ignore the law, just like the Weimar Republic or other historical examples, or our Constitution and Bill of Rights and laws that were recognized prior to the installation of this criminal administration in January 2001?

Non-violent protest and demonstration for redress of grievances/policy change is the American way-even when fascists occupy high office. That form includes "ranting protesters".

Rice should be behind bars awaiting trial.

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST-IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!

[TahitiNut]

34. God forbid anyone engage in civil disobedience!

Let's all be very polite and orderly. After all, we wouldn't want to be provocative.

:eyes:

[renie408]

41. Actually, that wasn't civil disobedience.

Civil disobedience is when you refuse to follow a law. It is a passive form of resistance. I would think that this was probably some kind of activism.

(I am not taking a stand one way or the other on what was done. I can see Buzzclik's point, but I also don't feel like this particular display wasn't nearly as bad as what was being protested.)

[TahitiNut]

56. I think you might benefit from examining the difference between "passive" and "non-violent."

Indeed, civil disobedience need not even be non-violent ... which is why the phrase "non-violent civil disobedience" is employed to characterize the protests of Gandhi, the Buddhist monks, and MLKJr. To claim that self-immolation is "passive" is nonsense. To claim that Gandhi was "passive" is nonsense. To claim that the Selma march was "passive" is nonsense.

Furthermore, the more extreme forms of "non-violent civil disobedience" where the protestors are killed and injured by the force of the state have accompaned EVERY successful movement employing such tactics. Unless and until we're willing to actually risk our very lives in dissent, fascism will continue to tighten its grip on this nation. The fact that so few are willing to do so is testimony to the VERY LOW PRICE we place on our civil liberties and human rights.

[renie408]

57. I am sorry I used the word 'passive' instead of 'non violent'. I will never do it again.

What the codePink woman did was still not civil disobedience. But I will NEVER be so nonsensical as to use the word 'passive' in the place of 'nonviolent' again.

[TahitiNut]

63. The point is that "passive" is the complete opposite of "active." Words have meaning.

Some may disagree regarding the degree to which civil disobedience is provocative but I'll reserve my ire and criticism for those who are passive and obedient ... since that's where form without substance lies.

[renie408]

71. I was thinking of things like Rosa Parks

and kids at lunch counters refusing to move. It made me think 'passive'. Not like you are thinking, but passive like not getting in somebody's face with fake bloody hands. To me, that isn't civil disobedience because it seems aggressive. I actually do not have a problem with it, it just didn't seem like civil disobedience to me.

[martymar64]

134. Even Gandhi said his techniques wouldn't work against Hitler

Civil disobedience will only get you so far, usually dead.

[Beelzebud]

42. We'll end this war by asking nicely.

And NEVER speak out of turn. Sit down and shut up until you're called on.

[Kingshakabobo]

44. Civil disobedience is "bad form."

:eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

49. I agree 100%. And I am really getting sick of Code Pink

If people think their theatrical bullshit helps the cause they need to think again.

[Beelzebud]

51. Posting on a message board is so much more helpful to the cause.

[renie408]

58. Is that why you are here? n/t

[Beelzebud]

60. I dont' sit around and shit on protest methods. thats the difference.

[renie408]

62. Listen...

You need to slow down. When I read what Buzzclik said, I didn't agree with him 100%. But I could understand where that opinion comes from. Personally, I don't think it hurts Condi too much for somebody to get in her face and I bet there are a lot of people who agree with CodePink.

But I can also see how that kind of behavior feeds the 'other side'. It also OBVIOUSLY disturbs people in our own party. That doesn't make them any less of a Democrat, it doesn't mean that they want this war over any less or that they feel any less passionately about Condoleeza Rice's involvement in starting and continuing this war. It means that they think a more civil approach should be taken. Maybe you agree and maybe you don't. But jumping straight into calling those people nazi's and basically accusing them of perpetuating the problems this country has isn't the way to go. Why not try TALKING to Buzzclik? Why not say, "You know, I think that sometimes it doesn't hurt to show people how much you care about something. I think that there are a lot of people who wish they were brave enough to do what this woman from CodePink did and they agree with her." Maybe he will agree with you or maybe he won't. If he doesn't, then he will explain to you WHY he doesn't. Even if you talk about it back and forth and end up still disagreeing, at least you might have an understanding of where somebody else is coming from.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

59. Well, that's what you're doing right now so I don't get what point you are making

Seriously, what is the point of Code Pink? Whom are they persuading? Those of us who oppose the war still oppose it, those who support it will support it even more. The masses in the middle are coming around to our way of thinking but aren't entirely there. Only 3% of the public supports immediate withdrawal. Three percent.

So the majority of the country who really aren't paying much attention look at the antics of Code Pink and are supposed to think...what? "Oooh, that woman waved bloody hands in front of Condoleeza Rice. Obviously this means I should support the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops and call my congressperson immediately!"? Not gonna happen. So really all this group is doing is preaching - actually screeching - to the choir.

[WilliamPitt]

65. Go away.

Seriously.

[Buzz Clik]

72. Seriously, Will. Go fuck yourself.

I've supported you when others have not.

Go away? What kind of childish horseshit is that?

Get over yourself, Will. No one is that important.

[WilliamPitt]

73. Just my opinion

You are always in the way.

Post for me, please, a thread in which you argue that an activist - any activist - did good work in your opinion.

And I didn't fucking ask you to defend me. Ever. With friends like you...etc. Maybe being defended by the likes of you is why so many good people around here have a problem with me...eh?

Defend yourself. I'm fine, thanks.

I admire your sinew, but God damn, brother.

Seriously.

(I apologize for "Go away," but you make me crazy)

And you are always in the way.

[Buzz Clik]

77. Okay, I can answer that question:

Post for me, please, a thread in which you argue that an activist - any activist - did good work in your opinion.

You. I commented how YOU did good work.

Oh, but that doesn't count because you have assumed the mantle of the long-suffering martyr?

[WilliamPitt]

80. Hmmmmm... I did?

Show me where.

See? This is why we lose. We suck at debate.

By "We," I mean you, at least at this moment.

Ten different ways you could have taken me apart. Instead, you make shit up. "Assumed the mantle of the long-suffering martyr"? Eh?! Come on, now...

Straw man. Don't make this about me. Chickenshit. Etc. See?

Easy. Fish, barrel, boom.

*sigh*

'Bye for now. :(

[TornadoTN]

106. Give Buzz 24 business hours to go away first

I think that's the new standard for waiting these kind of things out.

(btw, I'm on neither side of this debate - both sides have merit, but telling people to "GO AWAY" because they have a different viewpoint is "bad form")

[Virginia Dare]

99. Don't go away Buzz Clik...

I enjoy debating with you. Sometimes we're on the same side, sometimes we're not, but I find that you're always rational and intelligent. I can't say that about everybody here.

[spoony]

138. Says the guy who left DU in a giant hissy fit

[FredMertz]

70. That woman was standing up for something she deeply believed in....

I don't think that was wrong.

[Clark2008]

79. Well-behaved women rarely make history...

Laurel Thatcher Ulrich would approve and so do I. Condi's a public official. If the government won't hold her accountable for her actions, the people should.

The Code Pink woman did not lay a hand on her and she's allowed to express her displeasure under the First Amendment.

So... there.

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. How was she assaulted?

[martymar64]

133. I want her to hang from a gallows in the Hague

Remember, the folks in power are the same ones that killed JFK, RFK, MLK, not to mention millions of people around the globe. The time for courtesy with these fuckers is long past. It's time for their crimes to be screamed right in their smug faces.

[yoyossarian]

25. A SAINT, I tell you... she's a SAINT!

Condoleeza Rice Tours World Spreading Her
Revolutionary New Principles of Non-Violent Non-Resistance

HISSSSSSS!!


http://steponnopets.com/peo/condi.html">Mahatma Condi

[Ganja Ninja]

31. Condi should be use to bloody hands by now.

Dubya's bloody hands have been all over her and she doesn't seem to mind them.

[davekriss]

36. That was NOT assault!

It was legitimate expressed dissent and civil disobedience that did not come close at all to being assault or battery. Anyone who sides with Condi and the state on this, well...I will refrain from saying further what I think. Go look at the video in the video forum.

If 1,000 brave citizens matched the courage of this woman here, the war would have already ended.

On edit: Newshour reports the charges (the civil disobedience I refer to) was "disruption of Congress". Someone asks on this thread if we really want this kind of behavior in this country. Well, you bet! Nothing short of expression of the people's will through peaceful, non-violent civil disobedience is needed to push the ship of state back in the direction we want it to follow. Any less is ceding our will to the already powerful.

[Syntheto]

37. Free Speech, what can you say? And when...

Some raving lunatic from the ProLife crowd stands up with a Cabbage Patch Kid, dipped in red paint, and puts it right in front of HRC/Obama/Edward/Kucinich's face and screams: God hates you, you wicked woman/man, God hates you! Repent for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, for the millions of unborn babies who have been slaughtered since 1973!" just in time for the cameras to catch it all, it will be okay by everybody here, right? It's free speech, and it's for everybody, not just one side or the other, right?

I submit, I doubt if that will happen, though, because surely the Democrats have better security than this.

Actually, the Democratic candidates should allow that to happen, and if they don't allow it to happen, they should set something up with actors so that it looks like it happened, that way, they can win people over by showing them what nutjobs the republicans really are, and squeeze the fear vote out of them. Hmmm. That might just work. Note to Democratic Party Headquarters: get as much publicity out of event showing republican base to be total whack jobs; manufacture event if necessary; make it a 'free speech' issue.

Can't anybody play this here game? Daymn.

[davekriss]

53. It would be OK with me...

...because I do indeed respect the right of citizens to express strongly held positions in a public forum, and to use non-violent forms of civil disobedience to express those positions when all other reasonable access is unavailable to them. Without monopolized media conglomerates through which we can be sure our point of view gets equal time, we need to make news, and that was what was done here.

But there is a big difference, I assert, between the two examples you raise here: One is morally justified. Condi did participate in what appears to be the deliberate manufacture of consent through lies and fear mongering leading to the tragic, illegal, and immoral invasion of Iraq; the Democratic candidates you list off did not lie and monger fear leading to the millions of abortions you refer to.

One thing I like to point out to the Right Wing. The Republicans campaign so vigorously on "pro-life", but after they won the Presidency, the Senate, the House, and the Courts, what did they do about it? Absolutely nothing. They don't want to take away a winning issue for them. They never intended to solve the abortion dilemma, just use it to win votes from the naive. The pro-lifers were used, "happy idiots" for the new fascism.

[Virginia Dare]

104. See John Kerry, University of Florida..

thanks for playing though...:eyes:

[incapsulated]

118. *ZING*! or bzzzzzt....

How about that there free speech then?

[havocmom]

125. The guy who had his say & was preventing others from doing same?

How about that there preventin' free speech of others, then?

[stirlingsliver]

47. I Love Code Pink.

I just love Code Pink.

They have the courage to SPEAK Truth to Power.

This is in no way -- no way at all -- an assault.

It is Free Speech, and is protected by the 1st Amendment.

There were times, before the Bush Regime, when we did not have "First Amendment Zones".

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

69. Stop it!

She (and Colin Powell, I might add) is NOT responsible for this war -- in fact, these two are rumored to have been arguing against it within the maladmin.

Stop and think about why they are the most maligned by the left and here, while Rumsfeld and his henchmen appeared before congress without such harassment -- where was this bloody hand woman when those people came in?

There is a pattern here -- what with Obama catching undeserved and unconscionable flak from the left and this obscenity of the bloody hands on Rice when she was not even in the directly responsible chain -- and that pattern is too ugly for me to spell out more explicitly. But please, examine your premises first. Save the vituperation for the triumvirate (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) on the ruling side and their enablers on the outside (McCain-etal/Clinton/Edwards/Biden/Dodd etc). Everyone else deserves better than this ugliness. I dare this bloody woman to confront Hillary, who is more culpable than Condi in terms of the influence they wielded in their respective spheres at that time, thus.

All 3 of the people who get (h)it from the left, Obama, Rice and Powell, actually were on the right side of history: Obama did not merely "speak out" in a mealy mouthed and ambiguous way about the war; he denounced it soundly, laying out reason after reason why it was disastrous -- I have yet to hear anyone else call this a stupid war; Rice and Powell were part of the maladmin and chose to work within the system and according to all available evidence, tried mightily to dissuade the madness of king George and his coterie -- when the majority Dems were aiding and abetting from without. There is only one reason these three are not getting better treatment in these parts...I have this nagging feeling, which gets more confirmed by recent left bloggies' behavior, that had Obama not had one side of his lineage, he would be as celebrated as Dean (and Dean had a far more conservative record than Obama).

For what it is worth, I am of Indian (from India) origin and have never attributed any event in my life of 20+ years in the US to the ugly facet of our history. But I am rather bewildered by the reaction to Obama and I have started to notice the undercurrent patterns and am being pushed inexorably to this conclusion. For me to let go of this feeling, all prominent lefties (and especially those who raved about Dean) panning Obama have to be able to substantiate their dislike/hatred of Obama on the one hand, and their trashing of Powell and Rice on the other. Both of these criteria are by no means equally weighted, of course.

Please stop publicizing this picture -- it is, in my opinion, as ugly as a cross burning. Stop and think about the larger picture. Until this woman can get up enough gumption to go confront others more responsible for the war, she should hide herself in shame for picking on the easy target.

[stirlingsliver]

74. Oh, Please

"Until this woman can get up enough gumption to go confront others more responsible for the war, she should hide herself in shame for picking on the easy target."

And just who do you suggest that she go and confront?

Cheney?

Bush?

Get real. She CANNOT confront either Bush or Cheney -- they are both in Bunkers -- they have "First Amendment Zones" all around them.

And I don't give a rat's ass what Rice's position was before the war -- the FACT is that now she is employed by the most corrupt and murderous regime in our history -- and she DEFENDS the war publicly.

Rice got what she deserved from the Code Pinki woman.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

112. Rice is no more responsible than Sen. Clinton.

"Get real. She CANNOT confront either Bush or Cheney -- they are both in Bunkers -- they have "First Amendment Zones" all around them."

So, because she cannot take on Bush or Cheney, she gets the right to take her frustration out on anyone else she pleases?

And then again, why weren't bloody hands bandied about on Rumsfeld, he has been available many times...

Edited for grammar.

[incapsulated]

117. Ok, that is just silly

Coni Rice is in Bush's cabinet. She is a Republican working for Bush. She sells and supports his policy in Iraq all over the world. What her internal struggles are aren't of any merit, she is Secretary of State and defends him and his policy and until she steps down in protest she is guilty in a way NO democrat will ever be, IWR or not.

[stirlingsliver]

128. Beyond Silly

I cannot -- cannot -- beleive my eyes.

Do you really, truly believe that Rice is no more responsible than Sen. Clinton??

Ordinarily, I would ask you for some of whatever it is that you are smoking.

But I'm afraid I would lose my mind if I were to smoke it.

I've seen the results.

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. Oh good grief

Who else should she be confronting?

If she calls the White House to see if Bush is free for tea, should she offer to bring cookies?

Good grief. :rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

91. BTW, that picture is in my sig line now

So if you don't want to look at it, . . .

[Virginia Dare]

100. Until she stops collecting a paycheck for perpetuating lies and..

crimes in my government's name, I will not stop picking on her.

Colin Powell legitimized Bush and Cheney's lies, and has profited tremendously from his association with them. He's just as guilty as they are.

Sorry, I have no idea what your point is regarding Obama..:shrug:

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

114. John McCain and Joe Lieberman

are doing the exact same thing too -- where are the bloody hands on them?

Obama was part of my argument for a larger picture...

[tnlefty]

102. Powell went before the UN and lied his ass off to provide cover

for the cabal, remember that?

Condi also did her fair share of lying and participating in the fear campaign, "in the form of a mushroom cloud". They both knew better but chose to lie so they share a large part of the responsibility.

Medea Benjamin has talked about "Hillary's thugs" who remove dissenters from her events. (Benjamin is a member of Code Pink and she discussed this with Matthews on Hardball).

I frequently wonder how anyone in the cabal and their enablers can look at themselves in a mirror, or sleep at night, or how they manage to wash all of the blood off before going out into public.

[Virginia Dare]

103. Will Medea ever give credit to the Dems..

who are obviously allowing Code Pink into these hearing rooms to protest? Or maybe they don't want her to?..:shrug:

[tnlefty]

108. I have no idea what she will do, nor do I know that democrats

are allowing Code Pink into the hearings as I thought they were open to the public. But if you know that are letting them in, please dish.

My response was intended to convey that Code Pink has showed up at some of Hillary's events and are escorted out. The clip that I saw is in the political videos.

I've also seen members of Code Pink being arrested for reading the Constitution in the public square. I don't like what I'm witnessing in my country. :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

120. The Dems are allowing Code Pink into the hearing rooms?

Where did you get that idea?

Hearings are open to the public.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

113. So, it is sufficient punishment for Hillary,

that she gets talked about behind her back, but Condi needs the bloody hands in the face?

In a way, Clinton and Edwards are more responsible for this war than Rice is, considering they voted for the war.

[tnlefty]

123. I don't view it as punishment for anyone.

The point that I was trying to make is that they have tried to confront Sen. Clinton as well. Perhaps you feel as though they are more responsible, but I don't, they share an ugly responsibility. However, Condi was part of the cabal that was spreading lies and ratcheting up the propaganda and the fear in the rush to Iraq, and I'm not going to overlook or forget that she played a major role in the lying that lead to the votes. Should those who voted for it have researched it more? Hell yes as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not going to overlook the part that Condi and so many played in getting us into Iraq.

[DearAbby]

107. Bullshit

She (and Colin Powell, I might add) is NOT responsible for this war -- in fact, these two are rumored to have been arguing against it within the maladmin.

If Condi's conscience is bothering her about this war...why did she sit and lie under oath today? Why is she protecting those responsible?

That woman will get no pity from me, she is as directly responsible for what is happening in Iraq, as Bush and Cheney are. Why is she arguing with them, after 6 yrs??? come out and tell the truth to the American people. Totla BULLSHIT

Colin Powell? he put his fuggin stamp of approval on it, with the lies at the UN. He used his clout with the american people, to sell this GD War...he too is just as responsible, and his continued silence makes it more so.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

109. You did NOT just play the race card, did you?!?!?!

And your defense of Condi and Powell as "not responsible" for participating in this madness is utterly disgusting. :mad: There seems to be a lot of rewriting of history going on these days, about who supported/was against what in the lead-up to the invasion. If either of them were so against it, they could have solved that problem easily by walking away from the Admin and alerting the American people as to what Bush was attempting to do.

But they didn't, did they?

They helped foist an illegal war on the people of this country, and for that they deserve every bit of derision, confrontation, and ridicule they get.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

111. Then, explain why Rumsfeld did not have this

on his face. He has testified many times before congress in the last several years and I do not much recall any protests at all, let alone one as odious as this one, perpetrated on a tangentially involved person.

[incapsulated]

116. Well, you kinda have a point but..

As for why not Rummy, I don't know Code Pink's methods and schedules but he has been far more vilified than Condi. However he isn't around anymore. And she may not have signed off on it but she shills it and sells it every day.

You made me think because, superficially, it seems like a pattern but on closer examination I don't see it. The anger at Powell and Obama was actually based on great disappointment, rather than any inherent dislike. People expected better and for good reasons.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

121. Sorry, that sounds too glib and convenient.

When you have great expectations of someone, and the expectations are not met, the predominant emotion typically is disappointment, not the kind of vituperation and general nastiness that you are seeing around the blogosphere for Obama particularly.

Believe me, I have tried to rationalize this one way and another, nothing else stands up to logic at all...

[cboy4]

87. This one is good also!

[LynneSin]

98. I hope Condi Rice's enternity in hell has the souls of those who died in this illegal war

haunting and tormenting her

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

105. Ironic.

Rice has killed 1.2 million people, but people are upset at the lady with the paint on her hands.

[Iris]

110. Damn!

Just ... damn!

[Canuckistanian]

115. I really wonder if Condi really understands the magnitude of what she's done

Does she spend 100% of her thoughts in political mind-games?

Or are there quiet moments when she realizes that she can never be accepted in polite general society again?

Extreme denial must be a very, very powerful state.

[bigwillq]

119. That is a great pic.

:bounce:

[Basileus Basileon]

122. I disapprove of this action.

Assaulting high-ranking members of government will not end the war sooner. It simply makes us look unhinged.

In that photograph, you have a crazy-looking, bloody-handed, messy-haired woman screaming in Rice's face. Rice keeps looking straight ahead, slightly towards the ground. She looks irritated, but maintains her composure. It's sad, but Rice comes off looking better than the Code Pinker. Considering that one of them has helped start a bloody war killing perhaps a million people, and that one of them is only trying to end that war, well...you don't want to be making the warmonger look sane by comparison.

[stirlingsliver]

124. Oh, Please.

I can't believe that anyone would serious write that Rice comes off better looking than the Code Pinker.

That look on Rice's face is one of guilt and shame -- guilt over the fact that she has killed over 1.2 million people.

[Basileus Basileon]

126. Perhaps we see what we want to see.

I believed beforehand that Code Pink is detrimental to the anti-war movement. I have my biases confirmed. You believe that Code Pink is useful for shaming the administration. You have your biases confirmed.

Such is life.

[stirlingsliver]

127. Some Of Us See What Is Really There

Others are deluded.

I see someone proudly speaking Truth To Power.

[Swamp Rat]

130. Obey

[Sugar Smack]

135. One person's "assaulting" is another's "confronting".

So she used blood or some such substance as theater in confrontation with Condi's relevant role in real international bloodletting. And she did it up close. And she was overt and angry. I admire her. I love that picture. I wonder why Condi didn't respond.

[Basileus Basileon]

137. Assault is assault.

Running up to someone and yelling angrily in their face is assault. It is a crime. Rice did not respond to that woman because doing so would have dignified her actions.

[Sugar Smack]

139. Verbal assault? That would be my guess.

When did THAT become a crime? Hey, as long as she didn't lay A FINGER on Condi, which she didn't, she can't actually be charged for anything. In the larger perspective, she was well within wer rights to say ANYTHING she wished to Condi.

[martymar64]

136. It's easy to be composed when you have no humanity

She'll even stay composed when they lead her to the gallows.

[Swamp Rat]

129. That is such a great photo!

[frogcycle]

132. this thread should be pinned

as a prime example of how utterly crappy DU has become.