Why is McCain running against Hillary Clinton?

[Virginia Dare]

Isn't this rather cart before the horse, or is he having a senior moment? I seems to me he ought to be working on getting the repub nomination first.

McCain Chides Clinton in Ad

Sen. John McCain's latest campaign ad starts with a swirling, psychedelic pattern of colors and the Doors' "Light My Fire" playing in the background.

The ad, which began running today in New Hampshire, moves quickly to its real point: making fun of Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for seeking $1 million for a Woodstock concert museum in a Senate appropriations bill.

"Now my friends, I wasn't there," McCain (R-Ariz.) says in the ad, which is produced using video from the previous Republican debate. As the ad cuts to scenes of hippies at Woodstock, McCain says: "I'm sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. I was, I was tied up at the time."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/24/AR2007102402716_2.html

[hatrack]

1. Because he doesn't have anything to run ON . . ..

And other than running away from Bush in the new Post-Sweat-Sponge Era, what else has he got?

[MrModerate]

2. Because 1) All the 'Licans think she'll be the nominee . . .

2) It reminds 'Lican primary voters that Ghouliani isn't an *actual* hero just because dust from the WTC smudged his suit on 9/11; 3)He gets to take the moral high ground on "earmarking" and he *loves* the moral high ground and 4) It allows him to contrast his straight-arrow past (particularly during the 60s) with the nontraditional pasts of his opponents (some of whom were in diapers at the time).

It's not just Clinton. Remember Schumer also cosponsored . . .

[ProfessorPlum]

3. This is a tactical error

The GOP is supposed to pretend to be "ok with" and "a little afraid" of Hillary until she gets the nomination, but not turn on the full hate until then.

Timing, people!

[Froward69]

4. The GOP wants her as the nominee

They know she is the easiest to defeat. They know she will bring out all the buck toothed retarded bible thumpers out to vote against her. coupled with the love fest between the GOP candidates. she is the one to attack as they feel we all will rally around her, Blindly. Thus the nominee, then easy win.

[bryant69]

5. So, political genius man, why is he attacking her now? Why not wait till she is the nominee?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Lerkfish]

7. Parlock

think beyond what you see

[Virginia Dare]

10. Spell it out for us stupid people please..

what does Hillary have to gain by McCain attacking her now? She's got to run a primary in New Hampshire too.

[Lerkfish]

13. If your enemy attacks you, you "leadership" perception increases.

or it appears to justify your position.
What better way to try to get "progressive cred", than to have a conservative unfairly attack you?

I"m just sayin.

:shrug:

however, people should take note that McCain is jumping the gun, BUT he is giving people a taste of what's to come. We should heed that warning.

[Virginia Dare]

15. Is New Hampshire a hotbed of progressive voters?

it seems to me, it would be more about getting the independent vote there, or is that already a lock for her?

[cali]

19. you're correct. More independent in NH than either dems or pukes n/t

[bryant69]

11. That's fucking brilliant. You're a genius. n/t

[Lerkfish]

14. thanks.

:hug:

[Froward69]

23. The Gop thinks we are

Stupid blind sheep. who will rally behind the person they attack. the same would be true if they attacked Edwards, or Biden. Obama They really Want to attack but fear the racial backlash. Biden they Fear as the Dem candidate. as they would have to become Honest and actually work for votes. and they know they would LOOse the GE if Biden were our nominee.

[Lerkfish]

6. the republicans are salivating at the thought of her as the nominee

because they know it will energize their base, like voting against gay marriage.
She is their preferred opponent.

[Virginia Dare]

9. It still strikes me as rather pathetic...

what a strange thing to attack her for. Why waste his money on something so stupid? It's more like a rowboat than a swiftboat.

[cali]

16. exactly. And the claim by people on this board

that they know with absolute surity that the repukes want Clinton as an opponent, is more an outgrowth of their argument that she shouldn't be the nom, than anything else. They never provide any real evidence to make the case.

[Froward69]

25. evidence???here check it out

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F03
Pick an industry. corporatism/fascist government with hillary. WE do not need Republican lite In Hillary. America needs un paid for, Honest, Leadership. not a sassy new haircut, to cloud the real issues and problems.

[cali]

27. I don't support her and I don't like her corporate ties but how the hell

can those ties provide ammunition for repukes to attack her? That's what this discussion is about.

[Froward69]

30. ok i got off track

I agree they "most likely" cannot call the kettle black. In regards to Hillary. I was just pointing out the misconception that My guy Biden is as cozy with Insurance and big banking as perceived. HE IS NOT. Thats pure propaganda.

[cali]

31. I agree. And I really like Biden

I'm hoping he takes off in Iowa.

[Skidmore]

12. Yep. They can't wait to drag all the crap out of their Scaife closet

to hammer away with. They will get to run against Bill again...we'll have Monica's face and Whitewater and lord knows what other version of salacious wingnut rumors from those days plastered all over the place by way of the excuse that this is an important part of her personal history. They are busy priming the rumor mill and gossip factory. Those RW pundits want to be relevant again.

[Virginia Dare]

17. Scaife's got his own skeletons now..

:evilgrin:

Richard and the woman he is divorcing, Margaret “Ritchie” Battle Scaife, had been dating for years “while Richard was married to his first wife … with whom he had two children, and Ritchie was married to an attorney … with whom she had a son.”

While he was married to Ritchie, it was discovered — through a private investigator hired by his suspicious wife — that Richard loved staying at suburban Pittsburgh’s seedy “Doug's Motel, a place where the TVs are bolted to the furniture and rooms can be rented in three-hour increments, for $28.”

While at the aforementioned no-tell motel, Richard is alleged to have regularly wooed one “Tammy Sue Vasco … a tall, blond 43-year-old mother who in 1993 was busted in a sting operation after showing up at a Sheraton hotel and offering to have sex with an undercover cop for $225,” according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Tammy Sue at Doug’s Motel? Perfect. And that’s all before the divorce proceedings began.

http://baywindows.com/ME2/Audiences/dirmod.asp?sid=008EC9FBCFF24AD18614290016BE1303&nm=Current+Issue&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&AudID=0813BC739F2044E5A03DCF2DE3FDF7C9&tier=4&id=D919F31B0EF44DCB8C99F6ADB10AF8E7

[cali]

18. If she's the nom, I don't look forward to that but I don't think

they'll have much luck with it, and there's a flip side to that coin too. Bill Clinton is an immensely popular figure, not just with dems, but with a large number of independents. and Americans like new scandals, not ones that they see as stale. Not to mention that Rudy's scandals, should he be the nom, are much juicier and less well known than the Clintons. There's Kerik and his marriages and unsavory divorces, and pictures of him in drag, just for starters. And the Clinton team can sling that shit just as well as the repukes.

[Virginia Dare]

20. Even though HRC is not my candidate..

should she become the nominee, I actually look forward to seeing what she's got in her arsenal...:evilgrin:

[cali]

21. yep. I'm in exactly the same place. n/t

[Froward69]

28. I agree that would be a fun exorcise

However beyond that we need to select the Best candidate For the Job of President. not the village idiot like the repubes got in the office. But someone who could take the reigns of power and rule fairly and without prejudice. Hillary would be fun to see she is better than any of the repukes. but not our best choice.

[Lerkfish]

36. I just wanted to say that even though I'm not a biden fan

I have always appreciated your level-headed posts, without trashing other candidates and simply making points, you do more credit to Biden than many other avocates of other candidates.

I appreciate your committment to rational and polite discourse.

[Froward69]

37. Thank you, by chance whom

are you interested in?

[Lerkfish]

38. at present, undecided

I'm anti-war and pro-impeachment, pro gay rights and anti-coporate corruption.
The only candidate that appears to be mostly in line with my views is Kucinich, but I sadly don't think he has a chance.
so that leaves me undeclared until the primary, and then after I'll support whoever the nominee is.

I'm not fond of Clinton's and Obama's stand on Iran, nor Clinton's stand on Iraq nor her health care plan, which is a trojan horse for big pharma and insurance.

:shrug:

is Biden anti-war, pro-impeachment, pro gay rights and anti-corruption?

That'd be good to know, if so.

[Froward69]

39. To answer your questions,

anti war= Yes he believes we should be out of iraq asap, without leaving civil war/genocide behind. he got a resolution passed that allows US policy to encourage iraq to go federalist. that is to divide into three regions (states if you will, Sunni,Shea,kurd) much like here in the US. with a federal government to oversee and distribute oil revenue.
pro-impeachment= yes but rationally. as a full blown impeachment was used by the rethugs to hamstring Bill Clinton and the WHOLE government. (rethugs don't care about the whole country just getting their way, they are that reactionary.) Biden is for the Arrest of bush/cheney (hinted to do so on the inaugural podium) as impeaching bush gives us cheney, IMP. cheney still leaves bush. and ether or all would paralyze our government and do more harm to America than good. but Arrest on the podium keeps our government running, and the re thugs would HELP restore the Constitution to get em out of jail.
pro gay rights= yes discrimination in any form is wrong. a relationship between two people (regardless of gender make up) is a civil union. if the step is made of "marriage" it should be recognized as such.
anti-corruption= Yes Biden is not big businesses choice, nor Insurance nor pharmaceuticals choice. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F03 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhCJ6h_p0GA&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhR4PyJIvoo
Joe speaks better for himself than I can.
my favorite on the senate floor http://youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

Not to mention health care... Bidens is the best for all regardless of malady.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8HC_IBhcc&mo :patriot: de=related&search

[Lerkfish]

40. thanks for the info!

another nice thing to point out: direct anwers to direct questions, something lacking in supporters of other candidates.

I'll follow that link

[OHdem10]

8. To be fair--MCCain was the only GOP Candidate who said

he respects Clinton and would work with her.

Every other Candidate says she is unfit to be commander in chief.

To answer the question---McCain just like others is rallying the
Anti-Hilary, Clinton Hating Republican Base.

[Fleshdancer]

22. It's a sad attempt to look like the GOP front runner

The game is to already look like the front runner by debating the perceived Democratic front runner while the other GOPers are busy fighting each other. The problem with this strategy is that almost all the GOPers are doing this so it looks just as desperate and sad as it really is.

[Virginia Dare]

26. That makes sense Gloria..

obvious desperation.

[Bitwit1234]

24. He's too damn old and out of touch to run

I can say that because I'm 75. And I know what it is to be OLD> One difference I'm not out of touch with America, and I don't live to kiss bush ass crack.

[Froward69]

29. Damn straight

:pals: :applause: :spray: :patriot:

[MadHound]

32. Same reason that Hillary is bashing the 'Pugs

It is a way of showing that they can successfully grapple with the opposition after the primary season. Politicians do it all the time. Why is this surprising and an oddity to you?

[Virginia Dare]

33. Maybe because it's understandable that Hillary would do it..

considering she is the presumed front runner at this point. McCain isn't anywhere near. As I said, he's barely alive in the repub hunt, why is he wasting precious resources going after Hillary? I guess repubs love a good negative smear?

[shadowknows69]

34. the fix is in?

[Virginia Dare]

35. Only if we let it be..

personally, I'll do my damndest to see that it doesn't.

[MadBadger]

41. Because it helps when a GOPer attacks her.

[MadBadger]

42. Fox is fighting him to have the ad pulled

Says he cant use their debate in his ad.

[Dave From Canada]

43. Because she's the likely nominee, and in politics, the sooner you define your opponent, the better.