Mr Gore - Please Recognize the Consequences For America and Humanity

[understandinglife]

It is simple, Mr Gore.

, who has not entered the race, is added as a choice for the Democratic nomination, he emerges as a serious contender. Gore garners support of 32 percent of Democratic primary voters, while Clinton gets 37 percent, Obama 16 percent, and Edwards 7 percent. Gore is viewed favorably by 46 percent of registered voters, his highest favorability rating since October, 2000.

It is simple, Mr Gore.

and with the exception of a possible Iowa upset (which may or may not make any difference anyway), only one man stands in the way of status-quo-loving DINOcrats taking the nomination (but likely losing the general election, see Hillary negatives in polls). According to this poll, that man standing in the way of Hillary is Al Gore.

Again, if Mr. Gore doesn't enter the race to stop the Clinton money-machine, we are looking at likely losing both the White House and Congressional seats because 1) the unpopular Clintons are at the top of the ticket and 2) Democratic floundering on the immigration issue while Republicans revel in their racist, xenophobic glory while appealing to the worst in people.

It is simple, Mr Gore.

Will it be a continuation of the avarice of corporatist-driven, perpetual war, in the color blue for 4 or 8 years, rather than red.

Or, will it be what you could deliver - to America and humanity.

It is simple, Mr Gore.

Is it Hilary and all she represents - i.e., more of Bush and Cheney, in blue instead of red.

Or, is it a truly different direction - a direction consistent with our Constitution and the facts about our planet.

You, Mr Gore, have reached a remarkable place in the history of humanity; you've achieved a leadership position of exceptional potential impact.

Now, what the nature and scale of that impact are entirely for you to decide?

It is simple, Mr. Gore.

Please just provide, soon, a definitive statement of your decision.

Thank you for all you have done,
Bob

[understandinglife]

1. "... some very interesting stuff in the poll ....

... that wasn't mentioned :

Only 50% of Democrats and only 18% of Indies say they would definitely vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination. Holy jesus. Given the choices that the GOP is offering, that is a mind blowing set of stats. :

Almost a quarter of Democrats say she would divide the country as President, and 40% of Indies say the same thing. All I can say is that Hillary's camp must be praying fervently for a Dobson-initiated third party to give her the slack that Perot gave Bill.

And then there's this one: Gore's favorability rating of 46% beats Hillary's by 3 pts. Not only that, her unfavorability rating of 41% beats his by 12 pts! She might lead him by a paltry 5 pts among primary voters before he even enters the race, but she lags a big 15% behind him in the favorable/unfavorable aggregate.

Finally, over a third (35%) of Democratic voters want to see more choices in the Presidential field than we now have (what is it officially, 7 candidates?)!! Who, other than Gore, are they yearning for?

H/T to

Mr. Gore -- they are waiting for YOU.

It is that simple.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. well, that means 65% of Democrats are NOT

waiting for him.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

3. And Mr. Gore is waiting it OUT

I'd be willing to make a small wager that he won't.

I honestly believe he's decided he doesn't want to be the Captain when the Titanic hits the iceberg. And we WILL hit the iceberg, regardless of who's at the helm.

Like the Republicans, he's willing to let Senator Clinton be Captain of the Hesperus.

Sorry. Two metaphors in one post. My bad.

[emilyg]

5. I'm not waiting for him.

[Rageneau]

11. Me neither.

I will only vote for a candidate who wants the presidency enough to FIGHT for it. Gore's past behavior reminds me of everything I don't like about today's Democratic Party. Quitters and wimps.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

26. I'm waiting.

I've been working for 15 years (since Earth In The Balance) to get him elected president. Although it is excruciating, I can wait a little longer, considering the stakes.

[Kurovski]

30. Fight in the corporate-run cage match?

Most everyone's getting sick of that game, even those of us caught-up as spectators. Enough indignity and worthless grudge matches.

It's demoralizing. The crap won't ever completely end, but it's gotten way out of hand.

[RiverStone]

29. Me either, not anymore - lets work for a Hillary alternative instead!

I wonder what are Gore waiters doing to stop rethug-lite Hillary from winning the nomination?

At least we still have a chance to fall behind Edwards or Obama and beat out Hillary. We have NO CHANCE to crawl inside Gore's head and make him run.

I dearly wish Al or Dennis were to be president in 08 - all my wishing won't make it happen. Maybe down the road, but not in 08.

[kster]

4. What can I say? Al Gore is our MAN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x484943

K&R

[Pastiche423]

6. Is it an obsession

when the 1st thought after waking is, will he announce today?

[TheDoorbellRang]

9. Yes. You and me both

He's been in Germany, France, and today Spain this week, talking to those country's leaders. Wonder if they're all secretly begging him to run, too. I'm hoping he announces soon so he can get in the NH primary. Deadline is November 2, I think.

[bdamomma]

32. hmmm...that is interesting that would great if they are prompting

him to run! that would shake things up huh? but I really don't think the guy wants to be a doormat again.

[understandinglife]

7. "See these two very recent polls from Iowa and New Mexico ... "

See these two very recent polls from Iowa and New Mexico


48% Giuliani
47% Clinton
6% Undecided

45% Giuliani
49% Gore
6% Undecided



48% Clinton
43% Giuliani
9% Undecided

51% Gore
42% Giuliani
7% Undecided

Imagine what the above numbers would look like if he actually declared! :)

Not bad, at all ...

[understandinglife]

8. "Al, where are you going with all this?"

, it seems the traders at InTrade agree.

InTrade's traders reckon Gore has a 58% chance of getting the nomination if he runs, and an 89% chance of winning the presidency if he's nominated, and an all-over probability of 52% that he'll become president if he throws his hat in the ring.

Noting that Clinton is given only a 48% chance, Porfolio concludes that according to the market, you are "considered to be the best presidential candidate in America, on a pure electability criterion."

That's you, Mr Gore.

[RestoreGore]

10. Polls mean nothing

From the link about that MSM CBS poll:

"This poll was conducted among a random sample of 1282 adults nationwide, including 1143 registered voters, interviewed by telephone October 12-16, 2007. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample, and the sample of registered voters, could be plus or minus three percentage points. 456 interviews were conducted with Democratic primary voters. The margin of error for this subgroup is plus or minus five percentage points."

Wow, based on 1143 supposed registered voters, with only 456 of them being Democratic out of how many millions?, we can surmise who is leading in an election that has a whole year with events unknown before it is held? That is why I think polls are really ridiculous. How can you base the viewpoints of an entire country on 1000 random people? And I don't care if it is Clinton or anyone else they say is in the "lead." NO ONE is really in the lead in these polls because there are so many other factors and variables to consider. The fact that people latch onto polls so vociferously to form their own opinions instead of actually thinking for themselves only proves to me that reason surely is not part of politics.

And to tell him to recognize the consequences for America and humanity as if he isn't doing that now is really ignorant of the profound effect he is having on the world. My God, the man just won the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE which is the highest honor bestowed in the world and that still isn't good enough? Making this just a contest between him and Clinton because some politcal junkies and the MSM want to see blood in the water to make this interesting for them is not a reason to run in this system. The people brought this country to where it is now, and I for one hope Mr. Gore continues to follow his heart.

[madokie]

12. its more obvious with each passing day

its man against machine, Al Gore as Man, the hil as machine

coming from a person who was a hil supporter prior to my enrollment to this forum, I might add

[flyarm]

13. K&R

[Fly by night]

14. Gore/Richardson '08. That's the ticket.

"Restore" us to sanity -- at least all but one of us.

[flyarm]

15. lol eom

[dysfunctional press]

16. it's too late for most of humanity- even if Gore were to take office tomorrow.

peak oil occurred in 2006...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2196435,00.html

Steep decline in oil production brings risk of war and unrest, says new study

· Output peaked in 2006 and will fall 7% a year
· Decline in gas, coal and uranium also predicted

World oil production has already peaked and will fall by half as soon as 2030, according to a report which also warns that extreme shortages of fossil fuels will lead to wars and social breakdown.

The German-based Energy Watch Group will release its study in London today saying that global oil production peaked in 2006 - much earlier than most experts had expected. The report, which predicts that production will now fall by 7% a year, comes after oil prices set new records almost every day last week, on Friday hitting more than $90 (£44) a barrel.


"The world soon will not be able to produce all the oil it needs as demand is rising while supply is falling. This is a huge problem for the world economy," said Hans-Josef Fell, EWG's founder and the German MP behind the country's successful support system for renewable energy. The report's author, Joerg Schindler, said its most alarming finding was the steep decline in oil production after its peak, which he says is now behind us...


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16956300/the_prophet_of_climate_change_james_lovelock

One of the most eminent scientists of our time says that global warming is irreversible — and that more than 6 billion people will perish by the end of the century

At the age of eighty-eight, after four children and a long and respected career as one of the twentieth century's most influential scientists, James Lovelock has come to an unsettling conclusion: The human race is doomed. "I wish I could be more hopeful," he tells me one sunny morning as we walk through a park in Oslo, where he is giving a talk at a university. Lovelock is a small man, unfailingly polite, with white hair and round, owlish glasses. His step is jaunty, his mind lively, his manner anything but gloomy. In fact, the coming of the Four Horsemen -- war, famine, pestilence and death -- seems to perk him up. "It will be a dark time," Lovelock admits. "But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."

In Lovelock's view, the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us will soon become obvious. By 2020, droughts and other extreme weather will be commonplace. By 2040, the Sahara will be moving into Europe, and Berlin will be as hot as Baghdad. Atlanta will end up a kudzu jungle. Phoenix will become uninhabitable, as will parts of Beijing (desert), Miami (rising seas) and London (floods). Food shortages will drive millions of people north, raising political tensions. "The Chinese have nowhere to go but up into Siberia," Lovelock says. "How will the Russians feel about that? I fear that war between Russia and China is probably inevitable." With hardship and mass migrations will come epidemics, which are likely to kill millions. By 2100, Lovelock believes, the Earth's population will be culled from today's 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes -- Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin.

By the end of the century, according to Lovelock, global warming will cause temperate zones like North America and Europe to heat up by fourteen degrees Fahrenheit, nearly double the likeliest predictions of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations-sanctioned body that includes the world's top scientists. "Our future," Lovelock writes, "is like that of the passengers on a small pleasure boat sailing quietly above the Niagara Falls, not knowing that the engines are about to fail." And switching to energy-efficient light bulbs won't save us. To Lovelock, cutting greenhouse-gas pollution won't make much difference at this point, and much of what passes for sustainable development is little more than a scam to profit off disaster. "Green," he tells me, only half-joking, "is the color of mold and corruption."...

it's going to be a VERY scary ride from here on out folks- get ready, and don't say you weren't warned.

[Fly by night]

17. Happy Halloween. Are you dressing up as a lemming this year?

Or a Calvinist

Or a pessimist

Or a potential suicide?

Cheer up. We can make a difference. In some ways, running out of oil (or running low on it) might help mediate global warming by requiring that we find alternatives to powering our vehicles.

Every 1,000 mile journey (to save the planet) begins with a series of small steps.

If we don't begin the journey, we will die in place.

If you're waiting on me to help save the planet, you're backing up.

[understandinglife]

18. "Every 1,000 mile journey (to save the planet) begins with a series of small steps."

In_Deed.

Thank you,
Bob

[dysfunctional press]

19. running out/low on oil means that we'll be burning more coal.

which will only ADD to global warming even faster than petroleum.

take a look around- oil demand/use is still rising, and the population keeps on growing.

extremely interesting times lie ahead.

[Fly by night]

22. Or using more wind power, or solar power, or hydrogen power or the power ...

... of the engaged, optimistic intellect to find other, as yet unknown, sources of power.

Coal supplies are not endless either. And if Gore is elected, the imposition of carbon taxes will make coal a much more unattractive energey source than it is now.

[dysfunctional press]

23. for solar/wind power- the equipment still needs to be manufactured first.

solar cells, wind turbines, generators, etc...

from mining of raw mateials to processing to manufacture to transport to installation are each energy-intensive steps. and if they're going to replace fossil fuels, it would have to be done on a MONUMENTAL scale.

most of us here will probably get to see the break-down of society in our lifetimes- be prepared.

[Kurovski]

31. Gore has spoken of how no one thought America could

produce the astonishing things it did in such stepped-up timetables as it did in WWII. We could do it again with a leader who can inspire the millions ready to do something, a leader who would rally resources and brain-power where it is needed.

[dysfunctional press]

35. just saying "we could do it again" doesn't make it so.

the numbers are vastly against us.

[Fly by night]

33. There is no "mining" of the wind or solar energy. Besides, I am likely already more prepared ...

... than you.

See this recent thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2101172

[dysfunctional press]

34. you have to mine the materials to make the collectors

those gosh darn star trek replicators haven't come online yet.

[Fly by night]

36. Yes, but when we build collectors (or wind turbines), they last a long while.

Unlike oil or coal which are "mined" to burn (for the most part).

Of course, if you don't want to make any footprint at all on the planet, you could just stop breathing.

Don't just do something (productive) -- stand there.

Yeah, that's the answer (to a question I'm not asking.)

[dysfunctional press]

37. and in order to replace fossil fuels we're going to need LOTS and LOTS of them.

the footprint thing doesn't really matter- the only reason that there are this many people on the planet is because of oil. and virtually all scientists agree that there really isn't anything on the horizon to replace it.
reports now say that peak oil occurred in 2006, with production expected to decline 7%/year here on out, while demand continues to grow.

china is adding a new coal-fired power plant every week, and will continue to do so for the next decade...and india is wanting their share of the modern life as well.

all in all- things are going to get very grim fairly quickly from the double-whammy of peak oil and global warming.

[Fly by night]

45. If you want to be miserable, have at it.

Staying uninformed and inactive is a good way to stay there.

Me, I have better things to do. Sleep tight.

[dysfunctional press]

47. uninformed and inactive...? that's not me- and i'm not being miserable...just realistic.

solar sounds all warm & fuzzy, and it can work for SOME people- but it just cannot replace fossil fuels when it comes to supporting a population as large as ours.

same with wind- same with hydrogen.

even combined, they won't put a dent in the overall energy demands of a world with over 6.5 billion people in it.

[Fly by night]

50. Sorry. I can't "hear" you anymore. The "snooze" button is such an energy-saving feature here on DU.

[dysfunctional press]

51. when you don't like the truth, just shut it out- what a novel concept.

nt

[troubleinwinter]

43. Spend some devoted time in the environment/energy forum.

Some fascinating things are coming down the pike that could use your support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=115

[marlakay]

20. We need Gore to make a major

press conference in the next week to speak to us either way and if he is not in, give us some advice. I trust him and if he is out there is a reason behind it.

[RiverStone]

21. And what is the back up plan?

Believe me - I WANT AL GORE to be our next president!!!

And yet, if one were to reluctantly and pragmatically be realistic - even the most determined and optimistic Gore supporters will say early November is the absolute latest Gore could wait. Beyond that, he will have missed too many big state filing deadlines to make a run mathematically feasible.

I let go of my Gore hope the week after he won the NPP. I figured if he did not announce by then, he would not.

If Al is not to run, the next step is to STOP Hillary and at least collectively work toward an Edwards or Obama victory. With Iowa happening the first week in Jan and super Tues the first week in Feb - there is little time left to reorganize.

There comes a point when all this Gore speculation distracts from what we realistically need to do to prevent getting a rethug-lite (in Hillary) as our nominee. I wish Dennis Kucinich could be President! I wish for lots of things ---- but wishing won't make Al run or Dennis win.

We still can stop Hillary; thats realistic. When do you see as "let go" time?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

25. Plan B:

Deadlocked convention. Gore elected on second or subsequent ballot.

Plan C:
Cultivate your garden and plan for the end of civilization.

[RiverStone]

28. great, that would keep the Gore speculation going till August...

I doubt Al Gore himself would agree to the chaos that a brokered convention would cause the party, but it would be wonderful theater.

My garden is not set up for the end of civilization, shit - I can't even keep the rabbits out!

We need to be working on a realistic plan B - or we may get really fucked over in the General...

[Admiral Loinpresser]

49. Good point about the chaos.

My plan B is probably a long shot, but the sad truth is that nobody else is up to this historic task in my view (excluding the non-viable Kucinich).

BTW, I've found spreading lead-based paint chips in the garden keeps the bunnies out. ;-0

[Admiral Loinpresser]

27. When another candidate gets a majority of delegates.

That is the time to give up on our best chance and hope for a bank shot to save humanity.

[mak3cats]

24. K & R! (n/t)

[calteacherguy]

38. He's not running, and he's not a viable candidate. Get over it.

I like Gore, but please. Just STOP.

[Kurovski]

39. Thanks for the kind suggestion, but no,

not quite yet.

[Uncle Joe]

40. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, understandinglife.

[Kazak]

41. Gore's non-endorsement = de facto Clinton endorsement?

As much as I hate it, unless he does intend to announce, that is what it amounts to IMO.

[EFerrari]

42. K&R

peace, my friend

[troubleinwinter]

44. Al Gore.

Edit to add link to video of one of the most profound and important speaches of our time. 1/16/06. Al starts about ten minutes in.

http://www.acslaw.org/node/2096

[Land Shark]

46. Nice post, UL, K&R nt

[proud patriot]

48. He is the one I trust with my Son's future

However Hillary isn't exactly the same as bush .

While she is far more corporate than I like she will
be far better than any republican .

[gljay]

52. Al Gore and green energy

I have a friend, there were 2 but his genius brother died last December. They developed a patent 5430333 (this can be verified with a Google search). This is a utility patent and there are but a hand full of them around. If you look at the patent website under what can be patented you will see that it must operate as described in the patent or a patent will not be issued. They introduced it to then vice president Al Gore and had it reach his desk. Gore simply sent them an "atta boy" letter when my friends simply wanted some assistance in building the first plant. Gore dropped the ball! My friend is Thomas A. Binford as you will see on the patent when you reference it. His brother Mark S. Binford has passed. We have been trying for some time to obtain money for this project but greedy individuals just want to buy the patent cheap and kick us to the curb. We are attempting to bring the company public but that takes money we do not have. But we keep trying. It seems that Al Gore just wants to keep "pimping" the problem instead of solving it. After all he would be out of his current job if it were solved.

[gljay]

53. Forgot something in the above post

This patent will produce electricity with no pollution and burns no fuel of any sort. It is also non-Nuke! It will mean the end of nuclear energy PERIOD!!!