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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 03:55 PM Original message |
Remember cutting gas demand by raising prices provides little supply to the poor/working poor... |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. Rationing is only fair if you're able-bodied and have options like walking or biking places |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So why couldn't people with BONA FIDE health problems get |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So are you saying only folks with handicapped plates should drive now? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. No, YOU are saying that. I am saying that those with physical |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was asking for CLARIFICATIOn |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I'm not the one to hash out the details of gas rationing. I'm a VETERINARIAN, lol. |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
29. In WW II production of personal cars virtually ceased and there were no Interstates |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. There already is "...a limit to how much gasoline people can buy." How much $ You Got??? |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 05:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The philosophical question is what constitutes a critical need? |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. As the OP points out, if you have plenty of $ you can continue to do all these things unaffected... |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I just don't understand how a rationing plan could be currently implemented |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You could start in a very simple manner like we did in 1973... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Such a system promotes a black market for gasoline |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. What is to stop people from switching license plates today? It's against the law... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. They could do like they do in Texas |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. I took your advice and pondered things while soaking up natural beauty |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. During a pike in gasoline prices last year ... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So true... and we had a city council raise the price of bus transit fare rather than raise taxes ... |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
13. Robert Hirsch agrees |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. This scenario will play out if 'price' is allow to be the only filter on allocation... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. Wasn't rationing in 1973 considered a failure? |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I remember 1973, and it was not a failure. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. There is no reason to ration a product that has ample supply |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
21. kick |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
22. cheap gas creates bad behaviour |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You haven't been reading actual reports, have you? |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. you haven't learned from history |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I suppose you will be laughing with glee at poor people dying in order to satisfy you. |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. One day oil production will peak |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. Wrong |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Exactly |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
24. FINALLY! A "rational" approach! Higher prices do NOTHING to limit useage. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Why not match a federal gas tax with a tax credit for income tax? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Has it occured to you that the poorest of the poor don't even PAY income tax? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Um, what about the word CREDIT don't you understand? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. People on disability and elderly poor DO NOT PAY INCOME TAXES |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Yes but they could still apply for a credit |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I guess you didn't read the rest of what I wrote. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. How can the homeless legally operate automobiles without a valid address? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Riiiight... take homeless peoples' cars away from them, arrest them for being on the street. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. You have offered zero solutions |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Oh, for gawd's sake! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. yep. if it suddenly costs $200 a month to commute, and it used to cost |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. We don't lose our jobs as much as we just cut out other things |
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seasat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'd prefer an initial cap and trade system followed later by a carbon tax. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
32. I still say they should modify the pumps |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Drive a Honda ... Pay $7.50 |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. OUR Honda was built in the US.. are they bringing Japanese people here |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. You're waaaay behind the times. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. And, be poor and drive an old beater because it's all you can get, |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. At least the poor old beater does not come with a car payment |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. No, but all poor people can afford now is often an old BIG car. |
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FredMertz (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. Let's base it on what you make, not on what you drive... |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. Kick because I think this is an interesting thread |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
41. well |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
43. Why don't posters understand that transportation is required for most jobs .... |
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FredMertz (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Amen, brother! |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
44. delete |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
46. You are correct. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-29-07 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
47. And watch the lines grow and black market flourish. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
52. Cut the WASTE and we got pleny gas for the farmers, the FFighters/cops/ EMTs, etc |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. What's your definition of waste? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. well for a start.... |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Thats a start...when the hard times come...all nonessential crap will be minimized |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-01-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Personally I'm more concerned about work-related waste |
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