the NATION? or the New Republic? inquiring minds wanna know.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

Poll question: the NATION? or the New Republic? inquiring minds wanna know.

(disclaimer- i read both TNR and for balance, National Review for years, until the NR got even too nuts, and the TNR was incomprehensible)


SO, if you want print, what do you read? which of these magazines provides you with better, deeper, more intelligent opinion, fact and reporting?

[Buck Laser]

1. I read TNR back in the 60s...

But some in the 90s, they went badly astray. I've been a Nation reader since the mid 90s.

[More Than A Feeling]

2. Can I cast an anti-vote for "People"?

I hate that magazine.

[Bucky]

8. I did it for you. You're right. People Magazine RAWCKS!!! I just can't get enough of that Madonna!

And Terri Hatcher? Whoa, don't even get me started!!

[gratefultobelib]

11. I actually like the movie, CD and book reviews. We cycle one mag thru the family a week.

[Mabus]

3. The American Prospect

[vireo]

4. Agreed

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. ah, I get that too. in fact,

the economist, AP and Nation are the ones I get, oh and
Science, Science News and Scientific American.

[Mabus]

14. TAP is the only magazine I subscribe to

that I get in paper form. I also subscribe on-line to salon.com. I donate when I can otherwise I watch the commercial and get a free day pass.

I used to be one of the biggest Katrina vanden Heuvel fans. If she was on a show I would turn up the volume to hear what she would say. So I was looking forward to meeting her when I went to D.C. a couple of years ago. I've gone to the Take Back America conferences these past two years and the first year she was one of the speakers. As luck would have it, I picked up some free copies of The Nation at the conference. They had a table there, as did other publications, and they were selling subscriptions. I took the two latest issues because I figured it would give me something to read over breakfast while my companions were hanging out with the bloggers.

The magazine I opened was the latest issue. I'm not sure why but I always go the LTTE page in magazines. I think it gives me a good idea of its readers and the magazine's idea of constructive criticism. The gist of that month's letters were the blatant errors and omissions from an article published the month before. One of the letters was from someone in AAR management who complained that they had told the interviewer that AAR would be back on air in Chicago on Day B and that the writer was disingenuous when he wrote that AAR still wasn't on the air in Chicago on Day A. Day A was the date of publication and the day before AAR returned to the air in Chicago. While the writer was technically correct, he failed to mention that AAR would be back on air in Chicago the day after the publication date. Small omission to be sure but it gave the reader the impression that AAR couldn't break into one of the major markets. There were some other convenient omissions from the article as well. About halfway through the letter, I put down the most current issue and picked up the copy of the previous month's copy and read the article.

Anyway, I met Katrina the next day. We had got there for the breakfast session and we were finishing our coffee before heading to the next presentation. I was sitting with my friends about five rows from the stage. Like I said, she was a speaker and she had arrived a few minutes early to mingle. All of a sudden who would sit down in front of us but Katrina vanden Huevel herself. Like I said, she was a speaker at the conference and apparently she got there a few minutes early and decided (much to her credit) to mingle. She was friendly and asked our names and where we were from, you know, small talk. She asked us if we read TN. When it got to be my turn to answer I told her I had just read the two most recent issues. She then asked the wrong question at the wrong time. She asked what I thought of TN. Did I find it a reliable source. I told her "I agree with it about 72% of the time and the current LTTE pages are just one of the reasons why." I then asked her how much fact checking she and the other editors did. She didn't have time to answer me as she was called away by her aide to go backstage and prepare for her talk (which I did not attend, not because I didn't want to but because I was signed up for a small session about grassroots campaigning and the spots were far and few between).

I don't know. Maybe I overreacted but TN went down a notch on my list of favorites and hasn't redeemed itself yet.

Here's the link to the article I mentioned above http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050523/vonhoffman and here's the link to the AAR guy's rebuttal letter (you need a subscription to read all of it) http://www.thenation.com/docprem.mhtml?i=20050606&s=exchange

[Jackpine Radical]

6. The Progressive.

Then the Nation.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. The Nation and Mother Jones

[City Lights]

17. I'll second that!

:thumbsup:

[Taxloss]

9. Economist. And I'd like to put in a good word for the two Reviews, also:

The London Review of Books and The New York Review Of Books. Both have excellent, incisive, spot-on political writing.

The New Yorker is also worth reading but I don't really buy it as often as I should. The British essay magazine Prospect is pretty good, patchy, not as good as it used to be.

[Spider Jerusalem]

24. Agreed on the Economist;

for depth and breadth of coverage, and for the sheer density of information wedged into a single issue, there's nothing else in its class.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

31. I agree that nothing matches the Economist for breadth and depth of

international coverage, especially in Asia and Africa. They're conservative, but they're British conservatives, which means that they dislike the fundie wing of the Repubilcan party as much as we do.

However, I let my subscription lapse when I was having financial troubles (subscriptions are expensive) a few years ago, especially after they devoted an entire issue to "free" trade, in which they admitted all the problems that it engenders but still insisted that "free" trade absolutism was the cure for poverty, dictatorship, and environmental degradation and that any violations of the "free" trade religion would lead to misery for all.

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[ThomCat]

12. The Nation, Mother Jones, The Progressive.

[Mabus]

15. MoJo and Utne

are the two I want to start subscribing to again (when I can afford it again). I'll check into The Progressive. Thanks for mentioning it.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. The New Republic???!!!!

That's been a piece of crap for ages. My mom got me a gift subscription to that years ago, and I finally had to tell her to cancel it.:puke:

My current favorite is actually Harper's.

[Strawman]

16. I subscribe to The Nation, Mother Jones, and The American Prospect

There are occasional articles I'll see in TNR that interest me, but it's generally too conservative for me.

[JohnLocke]

18. The American Prospect.

[davekriss]

19. Z Magazine (n/t)

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

20. Harper's

I have subscribed to Harper's for many years and I will never give it up for any other publication. If you've never tried it, go to harpers.org and browse its archives.

I don't like what I perceive as NR's self-serving inconsistency in editorial tone, and TNR's ax-grinding about people and issues that just don't matter in the big picture. Maybe it's just been the issues I've happened to read that have created that perception. However neither publication ever grabbed me and kept me in its thrall like Harper's has since 1989. If I could afford an additional subscription I would make it The Nation, but whatever spare cash I can scrimp together I will spend on the soon-to-be-launched Lapham's Quarterly (laphamsquarterly.org), edited by the Editor Emeritus of Harper's, Lewis Lapham.

[SlowDownFast]

21. Harpers is an excellent publication.

I do believe one of the oldest liberal ones, too (1800's?), but don't quote me.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

22. Yes - since 1850

They published writers like Mark Twain, and excerpted new books like Moby Dick. Can you imagine?

Their site says Harper's is the oldest general interest magazine in America.

Currently I value them most for their reporting on issues surrounding Iraq, the GOP, and the spotlight they cast on the religious right.

[mod mom]

32. I starting subscribing to Harper's after the MCM article on Election Theft came out

It is really a great publication.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

23. Harper's and the American Prospect

I would NEVER subscribe to the New Republic. It has an outdated reputation for being "liberal," but it's DLC through and through, and sometimes even Republican-leaning.

[Joe Bacon]

25. I remember The New Republic when Henry Wallace ran it

Back then, The NeW Republic actually stood for something. It was the only national magazine that stood up to Joe Mc Carthy, even the Nation was scared of him during the early 50s. Wallace wasn't afraid of him and one of the greatest pieces of all time was Wallace's destruction of Mc Carthy the week after he was censured.

Sadly the New Republic mutated into the New Republican when it got hijacked by Shactmantites and Neocons in the 80s, and it hired full blown liars like Sullivan, Glass and Michael Kelly. I still remember how Sleazo Sullivan was so rpud that he torpedoed Hillary's health care proposal in that miserable rag. Thanks to Sullivan, now 50 million people DON'T have health insurance. And he sees nothing wrong with that.

[KT2000]

28. Yes - they are awful now

they are straight out republicans who do nothing but serve as apologists and shoot at Democrats.

[REP]

26. Harper's and The Nation

[dorkulon]

27. Harper's New Yorker, and then the Nation.

[Swamp Rat]

29. Scientific American

:)



"Green Anoles live in warm climates throughout the New World. Aside from their chameleon-like ability to change colors, the males of these small, agile lizards also possess a throat fan—known as a dewlap—which they use during territorial disputes and for courtship. When courting, a male will bob his head vigorously and may even perform an action that resembles push-ups. In response, a receptive female will bob her head in synchrony with the male."

http://www.sciam.com/gallery.cfm?articleid=BBEE7CBE-E7F2-99DF-3DC297361BDCC618

[mmonk]

30. Wow. I didn't know so many people read the Nation.

At least I don't feel lonely.

[Lilith Velkor]

33. Hustler!

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